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  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/27/2009 3:32 PM

    So, according to the fan votes over at You Be The GM on oregonlive.com, here's the look of our team for next season.

    PG: Blake, Bayless
    SG: Roy, Rudy
    SF: Webster, Batum
    PF: Aldridge
    C: Przybilla, Oden

    Blazers voted to go include Sergio, Travis, Channing, Shavlik, and Ruffin.

    According to the above results, that leaves us with only 9 players on our roster. Obviously, we wouldn't lose Sergio, Frye, or Outlaw without receiving anything back in return, but I can't help but suspect we may likely be moving them in a 2-for-1 (if at all, obviously.)

    Say we do get back, oh, let's say 2 quality players. That puts us at 11. Then another player from the draft, then we're at 12 (I can't imagine we'll get more than 1 player from the draft this year who actually suits up next season.)

    That leaves us with 3 open roster spots... who fills them? Do we bring over some of our European prospects? (PetKo, Freeland) Do we in fact keep Shav or possibly even Frye, to compensate the end of our bench? Man, the offseason in Portland is always an exciting time!

    I am going to go officially "on the record" here and state what I feel is a completely necessary move:

    It's time for the British big man, baby... FREELAND IN '09-'10!!!!!
    I am a fan of Marcus Camby! :)
  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/27/2009 3:33 PM

    p.s. this site not allowing me to put my above post into the appropriate paragraphs that I typed them in is completely lame, and I apologize for the difficulty in reading it. :P
    I am a fan of Marcus Camby! :)
  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/28/2009 12:12 PM

    p.p.s. the site then reconfiguring my original post to add the paragraphs I intended back in, thus rendering my first p.s. dumb and obsolete and not allowing me to delete it, is ftl again! This website is full of fail sometimes... :P
    I am a fan of Marcus Camby! :)
  1. ripcitychamps
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    Posted 06/17/2009 6:02 PM

    The last thing we need is more young players. The Trailblazers need to dump the duds and shop for studs in the free agent market with veteran experience. I stated in my blog "Blazer Point Guard Situation" that we need a tough and proven veteran PG (Not Blake) to mentor and teach Bayless the tricks of the trade. Time to wise up because the championship window will only be open so long.
    I am a fan of WHY THE HECK HAVE WE NOT EXTENDED BRANDON ROY'S CONTRACT???
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/17/2009 11:24 PM

    Yeah, the duds, for studs idea is great. Unfortunately not many teams take garbage for treasure. I understand what everyone is saying, don't get me wrong, but altough Portland has pieces, we don't have all the pieces we need to do everything that needs to be done. If Portland had a hungrier group of guys, who had been to the Playoffs before, dealt with those nerves, and had a strong back up 4, they would have done much better. This year, they will have more experience and a couple neew faces, but hopefully will be stronger in the post, deeper into the bench. I heard KP was pretty impressed with Tyler Hansbrough out of UNC. I personally think Turiaf would be a better fit here in Portland because he has more NBA experience, I also think that TO would make a better fit into Nelly's up tempo offense than Turiaf does and therefore may be obtainable by Portland. When it comes to the PG position, that's a tough one. To get anyone of value, you have to give up a lot which takes away from filling other holes. I think it comes down to a question of which direction fills more of the holes in a single move and then hope the one season's experience has given the guys we have what they need to be successful in the coming season. Don't forget, with the addition of Martel, Blakes job gets easier. With the injection of Batum into the second unit, their defense gets much better and they stay fast. If you look at the teams for the Blazers the first unit was lacking an offensive threat outside of Brandon and Blake. The second unit was lacking a defensive presence outside of Oden. I think the injection of those two players into their respective spots helps fill the voids that were an issue last season. Martel is a very strong shooter so he has to be played honest. Which opense the lane for Brandon and Blake. Martel can also take it to the rack which makes him a difficult cover. His biggest weakness is his ball handling. Batum is becoming a more consistent offensive threat, but he isn't there yet. Luckily, the second unit isn't lacking in offense so Batum's defense as opposed to Outlaw's will be a welcome sight in that 3 spot. Then depending on what they do for the backup 4 spot they could change the whole direction of the franchise. I think the backup 4 and Martel being healthy will be the biggest difference makers in the coming season. A new PG would help, but if the other two don't come to pass then even that wouldn't make AS MUCH of a difference.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/18/2009 12:04 AM

    Correction, the first unit was lacking a consistent offensive threat outside of Roy and Aldrige. Blake had a lot of good games this season, but the three position was off and on from an offensive standpoint and the center, well I love Joel, but he isn't offensively sound. So, insert this into the middle of previous post. Thanks.
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  1. ripcitychamps
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    Posted 06/18/2009 8:24 AM

    I like the idea of Tyler Hansbrough at the backup PF spot! He's got almost all of the ACC records and can provide some serious energy off the bench so LaMarcus doesn't have to work so hard. I said in my blog "Pre-Draft Workouts" that Tyler looks strangely good in a blazers workout jersey. I could see us moving up in the draft by trading Outlaw and Sergio to get Hansbrough as a key component of this young Portland team.
    I am a fan of WHY THE HECK HAVE WE NOT EXTENDED BRANDON ROY'S CONTRACT???
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/18/2009 9:22 AM

    I am a little torn. I like Hansbrough, I also like Turiaf. Both are pretty much career backups, Turiaf could start for certain teams. I think they would cost the Blazers about the same. I think Turiaf would be more of an impact right away, but I am concerned about his longevity due to his heart problems. I know they aren't a concern right now, but what about it 5 years, 7 years? I don't think Portland wants a player to collapse on the court at the RG. What's your guys's take on this?
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/18/2009 10:34 AM

    Here's the way I se it:

    Tyler Hansbrough is the perfect fit for this team. He plays the right way, fills a position of need, and is a prospect we would not have to give up a ton to get. Turiaf is too old, not as athletic, and we don't really need him. He's also more of a C than a PF anyway. Portland would absolutely LOVE Hansbrough - his work ethic, attitude, he would absolutely FILL the box score up in his 10-15 minutes a night. He would give us energy, rebounding, toughness, scoring, all of it off the bench. He's a guy who only brings things to the table and realistically takes very little away. There are questions about his ability to score and defend against bigger, more athletic competition, but his work ethic is such that in a few years he could be a serious candidate for the 6th Man award. I just can't stand Turiaf, I don't think he would be as beloved or popular in Portland as Hansbrough would. He's also a guy who would STAY here for his career if he was given the chance. He stayed at UNC for four years, and would absolutely stay here. I would be perfectly ok with KP trading all 5 of our draft picks for Hansbrough, and then focusing on signing a veteran PG after the draft. If you're still unsure about him, read this article from the Oregonian today:

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/06/blazers_take_look_at_tyler_han.html

    As far as our team goes, that leaves us with something like this:

    PG: Blake, Sergio, Bayless
    SG: Roy, Rudy
    SF: Batum, Webster, Outlaw
    PF: Aldridge, Hansbrough
    C: Pryzbilla, Oden

    The other option is, obviously, trading some pieces of our team (Sergio, Outlaw, et. al.), to get Hansbrough if KP decides to go that route. The next question is addressing the PG position in free agency. The problem here is there aren't hardly any veteran PG's that are worth signing. Ramon Sessions seems to be the best option, having the size, skill, upside, experience AND youth to make a good deal of sense for us, and not completely breaking the bank. He may want more than we are willing to give him, but it seems to be one of the best ways to address our two biggest holes (PG and backup PF).
    I am a fan of B-Roy changing EVERYTHING.
  1. betty<3blazers
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    Posted 06/18/2009 11:54 AM

    dang i havent been on in forever, it took me forever to figure out the new site and i gave up lol
    how yall been?
    any i agree completely with ^^rip city champs we dont need no more rookies we need a good back up pg and back up pf and trade travis for one of them to and let nic grow and martell start
    I am a fan of my home town blazers! i love my team and im so proud to say THIS IS RIP CITY BABY!!
  1. Kim~
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    Posted 06/18/2009 3:28 PM

    Nice to see you Betty....
    I still smell a lot of smoke in everything we are fed in the media in terms of the draft right now. We will see what KP and crew have up their sleeve when the smoke clears draft night. I'm not getting the information I want, because then the other nba teams would have it too, but that is how the workouts with Oden and Bayless are going.
    Imo, putting the Blazers into that next level could depend more on Bayless and Odens summer, than any free agent or rookie. An in shape Oden (who can stay on the court) opens up the option of using Joel and Travis both to back up LA. I like the option of going big or small there. But until Oden proves he can stay on the court, I want insurance in another pf, Frye size, but more physical.
    If I have to watch Chacho get torched on defense, and dribble around to turn the ball over, or launch a flat jump shot one more season, I may actually quit going to the games. At home, I can change the channel, I've seen enough. The merry go round of pgs has to stop, and a decision for the future has to be made. I still don't see Nate giving a rookie pg much playing time, I do however agree, that a pg who stayed all 4 years in college could be equal to Bayless. This could be the make or break season for Bayless as a Blazer. Let's see what happens.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/18/2009 3:46 PM

    The more I read, the more I think that we need to resolve our issues at backup PF via the draft and NOT go after a PG. Yeah, I would love Curry on the Blazers, but I've always wanted Hansbrough on our team. He provides everything that we want and need as backup PF. He's played 4 years in the ACC, First-Team All-American for 4 years, POY in 2008, ACC all-time scoring leader, rebounds leader at UNC, all the stats. Plus, he's bigger than expected with a better wingspan and standing reach than previously thought, and is WAY more athletic than most people give him credit for. It would not take that much for us to move up in the draft and get him. That way we're free upgrade or do things at PG via free agency or trades.
    I am a fan of B-Roy changing EVERYTHING.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/18/2009 5:57 PM

    How is Turiaf too old and a Center? He was drafted the same year as B-Roy, and is a jump shooting, rebounding, junk yard dog PF. I think people are mistaken by Turiaf because of his time in LA. I see him as actually very similar to Hansbrough in the way they attack the game. I actually think Turiaf is more skilled than Hansbrough and definitely will be more effective defensively, but again, the only thing that would concern me is the longevity of his sergically repaired heart.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/19/2009 12:24 PM

    The discussion is irrelevant, as Golden State overpayed Turiaf by about $9 mil for four years. So he's still under contract. And I would agree, Turiaf is more skilled defensively than Hansbrough - right now. But I disagree with you if you take your argument to its logical conclusion: that Turiaf would give us more (stat wise) than Hansbrough. Turiaf averaged 5.9 PTS/4.6 RBD/2.1 AST/2.1 BLK last year in about 20 minutes a game. Hansbrough could EASILY give us at least 8 and 10 in 10-25 min a night. The difference between the two is that Turiaf's ceiling is basically a 10 and 10 guy, with some blocks in there. Hansbrough's ceiling is a 15-12 guy, with some steals, assists, and blocks scattered in. So I would rather draft someone who I know will give me all sorts of energy, intensity, and toughness, and is a SMART player - something that Turiaf needs to improve considerably on.
    I am a fan of B-Roy changing EVERYTHING.
  1. DimeTime
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    Posted 06/19/2009 4:40 PM

    Turiaf too old? He's 26 for godsakes. And when he played against us last year he averaged 9 points and 6 rebounds in 20 minutes. Compare that to our BU PF. Channing Frye's total averages for last season were 4.2 pts 2.2 rbd in 11.8 minutes.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/19/2009 6:04 PM

    I think with Turiaf you have to considder the systems he has been playing in. I also think you are overestimating Hansbroughs immediate NBA efforts. I don't think Turiaf's ceiling is 10 and 10. I would take B-Roy's assesment over anyone posting on this site. I also remember saying that Turiaf's difference between him and Hansbrough would be on the DEFENSIVE end, not in his offense. I think when time has told it's tale, the two will be very similar. One will be more effectively offensively (slightly) and the other defensively. a Yin and Yang of solid backup PFs. That is the realistic view of the situation. I didn't see Turiaf's salary, which is my bad, but either way it will still cost Portland the same in a trade due to where Portland would have to trade up to in order to get Hansbrough. I think that immediate impact of Turiaf vs. Hansbrough even offensively, Turiaf has the edge. I think Hansbrough will need a year to make a difference. With that said, I also conceed that he could be a Kevin Love and surprise everyone with his effectiveness.
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