Monta Ellis Rumors: Warriors GM Says "Not Trading Ellis"
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/11/2011 4:18 PM

    I read this article earlier and decided to share it... I don't think the Blazers want to part with Roy and they just acquired Wallace. What are your thoughts? Which player(s) would they give up for Ellis? 


    Monta Ellis NBA Trade Rumors: Portland Trail Blazers Might Have Players Golden State Warriors Desire


    Update (Mod: DHawes22)-
    Via Sports Illustrated, Warriors GM says they are not shopping Ellis.
     “We are not shopping Monta Ellis. It is business as usual here. I think you have to look at what just happened in the Finals — it seemed like Dallas played pretty small guards throughout that series with Miami and did a pretty good job of it. Our problem is not the small backcourt [of Ellis and Stephen Curry]. Our problem is defense.”
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/11/2011 4:57 PM

    is there really even a need to question it?
    if they are willing to trade ellis and are more than willing to accept Wesley Matthews as a "fair trade"
    i think you jump on that trade faster than they "hopped on pop"!

    Ellis may not have the defensive skills that Matthews acquires but, defense is not the issue with this team, it is offense....or a lack of it, not scoring, but offense overall.
    But Ellis does have points in him we know that, he showed last year that you can pry the ball from his cold dead hands, and even sometimes without asking. i believe he finished the season averaging around 5 assists per game.

    throw in a draft pick, 2nd round or a third and fourth along with matthews and this team should find itself in a nice place.....
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/11/2011 7:44 PM

    I don't think Nate would be on board for giving up his two youngest wing defenders.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/11/2011 9:52 PM

    Golden State may desire some of Portland's players however I think we should only trade one of our top eight and draft picks or bench players.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/11/2011 10:15 PM

    Maybe we should try Batum, Miller, and #21 for Ellis and #11.  We could even throw in two second rounders.
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  1. Posted 06/11/2011 11:01 PM

    You know this interests me... Do you go after a point guard who has no playoff experience and who constantly wants the ball in his hands when we have Crash, Brandon, and LA.. ellis will cleche this team way to much because of his ineffectiveness to get other teammates involved. Blazers should think about lookin at Eric Gordon for the Clips or The Lakers Shannon Brown because brown has been there before and knows what its like to be a champion.... Ellis no i would take wesley over him.
  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/12/2011 2:05 AM

    I wouldn't trade Wesley Mathews for Monta Ellis.  As Ryan said, you get a scorer in Ellis and that's it.  Play making, defense, and any other stat, you're out of luck.  5 assists per game for how much Monta plays and how much he controls the ball sums it up.  I wouldn't mind having Ellis if offense was badly needed, but he's a first option in Golden State.  In Portland, he'd be behind LaMarcus at best (for him).  Throw in the fact Nate likes to get everyone involved, you get Monta scoring around 10-15 points a game.   It would be hard for him to fit in the system.

     That being said, I would gladly do this trade...

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3fhrfvz

    With Pendergraph and Oden returning, we wouldn't miss Marcus Camby.  Camby is also fairly injury prone, and climbing the ladder of age.  That being said, he could give the Warriors a huge lift and the experience they need.  They also get a great defender in Nicolas Batum.  Portland gets a high volume scorer, for times when they need it, which is quite frequent these days.

      I know people love Batum, but let's face it, he's hiding, and I don't see him coming out of his shell.  He showed aggression in last years playoffs, and showed some more ability when Wallace returned, but he's not as good as Rice wants him to be.  He's full of potential, but I don't see him ever living up to it.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/12/2011 2:06 AM

    Sorry there is a link after "That being said, I would gladly do this trade..." about 2 spaces below that line.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/12/2011 2:32 AM

    i wonder if some how we could get curry instead of ellis then id be down but ellis wouldnt be happy here as the second or third option
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/12/2011 3:51 AM

    Posted By freddead on 06/12/2011 2:32 AM
    i wonder if some how we could get curry instead of ellis then id be down but ellis wouldnt be happy here as the second or third option

    Golden State is trading Ellis to make room for Curry, so I doubt they have any interest at all in trading him.
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  1. Victor
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    Posted 06/12/2011 12:18 PM

    @Herr I do agree with most things you said, but that trade looks a bit off... The Blazers now have too many guards and acquiring another one for the cost of a C/PF and a SF would only create more problems on the rotation. I thing a SG should be involved or even a PG, just can't really work out a trade that would work.
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  1. WesMoneyyy
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    Posted 06/12/2011 2:40 PM

    Despite my new Brandon Roy jersey on the way, I say trade anyone for Ellis.  The Blazers need offence.  I would say Batum, Matthews, Oden, LA, Chris Johnson are untouchable, but the rest of the team can be used in a deal.  Maybe Miller, Fernandez, Camby, 2nd rd. pick for Ellis or (better yet, Curry)
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/12/2011 3:16 PM

    Batum is a keeper if we can get Rodrigue Beaubois from Dallas,or Boris Diaw, or any other frenchmen we can get our hands on. As for Ellis. Get rid of Rudy.Armon,A.Millers contract, and a second rounder,maybe a couple of 2012-2013 picks.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/12/2011 3:17 PM

    I certainly would look into the availability of Devin Harris as well.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/12/2011 3:56 PM

    Let's compare Miller and Ellis this season:

    Miller age 35
    PPG--12.7
    RPG--3.7
    APG--7.0
    SPG--1.4
    TO---2.4

    Ellis age 25
    PPG--24.1
    RPG--3.5
    APG--5.6
    SPG--2.1
    TO---3.2

    If the problem for everyone is that he got 1.4 assists less per game than Miller, get over it.

    Of course, maybe I'm wrong in assuming that Ellis would be playing point for us. But if we're considering him as a two guard, why are we considering him at all? We still have to figure out the Rudy, Roy, Matthews situation before we can add to that pot. And if it's Matthews they want for him, no way. He's the only 2 we have that can start right now.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/12/2011 6:46 PM

    i dont think he would play the point.

    but i dont think comparing him to miller is fair either, because he has demonstrated he runs the offense, he is like the blood flowing through the veins of this teams offense......

    i think that if you trade Matthews and 2nd or 3rd and 4th draft pick for Ellis they would take it.
    With Ellis he can play both the point and the number two, and boom you have your combo guard back that we lost in Bayless ( and i know everyone loved him ;). But really Miller starts at the PG and Roy or Ellis at the #2.
    when the bench comes in Ellis can rotate to the point and play with roy at the #2.
    also keeping either Mills or johnson for a reserve point guard, that way they can keep sending patty and or armon back to d league every other month
    Keep Rudy, he is definitely a role player.

    But Portland knows that if they dont jump on this than another team will, just like last off season, wait around with thumbs up their butts. Philly might throw Iggy their way 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/12/2011 7:14 PM

    Yeah, I was being a little facetious with the comparison. I know that Ellis is better as a #2/combo guard. I was just getting on people for criticizing his ball distribution. Matthews only averaged 2 assists per game this season... so let's think in perspective, people. TayC, your rotation actually makes a lot of sense to me. We've been starting Matthews as a necessity, but I wouldn't mind seeing Ellis in that role. We'd have scorers in LA, Crash, and Ellis, not to mention a guy that can potentially close games off the bench in Roy. Let Rudy head back to Spain and brick threes there... we could have a fantastic team... OH! Throw in a healthy Oden and the door is open to a great playoff run.

    Random thought: can we afford Ellis? We already have Roy's contract to deal with.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/12/2011 8:51 PM

    well thats just what made sense to me.
    like i understand Wes Math was a total need last year, without him, it would of been ugly, maybe.....
    but its not that i dont like him more than i would rather have someone else....
    and when i hear Monta Ellis, there is only one thing that i think of..............Monta Ellis Jr.  ( his son )
    No.
    i think of points, the fact that this dude can and now will dish the ball to teamates only adds cherries on top.
    But you see its not just me, other players in the nba fear the name of ellis ( in the sense that he scores, not that he makes them wet themselves. ) Other teams are going to fear the fact that he scores, that means teams will focus on him more....oh but wait....up and coming MONSTAR LaMarcus Aldridge is also a threat....so they will have to focus on both of them and they will be.......oh wait......PLUS Brandon Roy? Omg.
    And Wallace/ and Miller/ and...no dont say it...and....no please.....Oden?
    Curtains! Curtains........

    So i think it could only benifit this team, teach ellis to become a more well rounded player, there is nothing to lose....really....
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/12/2011 9:14 PM

    Exactly!

    With Matthews at the 2 it's like... "oh that one guy hit an open shot, I guess he can do that sometimes."

    With Ellis at the 2 it's like "GET ON THE SHOOTER! ROTATE! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?! HE'S OPEN!!!"

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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 06/12/2011 9:43 PM

    I say trade Camby, Babbitt, and Fernandez for Ellis,Thornton and #11. Then trade Ellis and Batum to Washington for Jordan Crawford, Andray Blatche #6 and #18. Then trade Miller and #6 to Charlotte for #9, #19 and D. J. Augistin or #39. Then in the draft we have #9, #11, #18, #19, #21, #39 and #51. Then trade the Rockets #14 for our #19 and #51. At #9 we take Burks, #11 Best player on the board, #14 Faried, #18 Best draft faller, #21 Shumpert, #39 Best big man on the board or McCamey.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/12/2011 10:05 PM

    Yes. We should totally drop 5 of our players so we can fill our roster with rookies.... have you lost your mind?

    If we make any deal to get Ellis, we need to keep Ellis. There's no point in getting Crawford, Blatche, and a couple picks when you already have Ellis.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/13/2011 5:49 AM

    I agree with TayC on this one, although I just dont see the Rudy role player. He has been given every chance to step up his game... a guard that does not score is kind of a liability. he did have 6 weeks where he stepped up,just not in the play offs or when it mattered. Portland needs a shooter a consistant shooter Roy is up in the air right now and we do not know if he can do it and I doubt if he does either. So we better hop on this soon
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  1. WesMoneyyy
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    Posted 06/13/2011 2:18 PM

    Jordan Crawford is a beast!  Go for him.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/13/2011 7:06 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/12/2011 9:14 PM
    Exactly!

    With Matthews at the 2 it's like... "oh that one guy hit an open shot, I guess he can do that sometimes."

    With Ellis at the 2 it's like "GET ON THE SHOOTER! ROTATE! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?! HE'S OPEN!!!"

    :)

    hahahhaha. " ....sometimes" ha

    the only Crawford worth mentioning is the Jamal type of crawford.........

    but Barnett also makes some good points that address the other shooters.
    but one reason to maybe keep Rudy would be to try him out just one more time, see if he's on his game this year if not, then you have a player that you can trade mid season if needed be. it is without question someone will take him, but this liability could become a last minute life line to trade for a somewhat decent big if the emergency comes around
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  1. Taylor Hybl
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    Posted 06/13/2011 9:16 PM

    look Monta could play point if he really needed to.  He had to play the two because curry is a true point and cant score as much as ellis.  Ellis had almost 6 ast per game while his role was to score.  6th leading scorer in the league.  If he played the point he could get around 7-8 ast per game while chiping in around 20 pts per game, and distributing to aldridge and wallace.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4lxec1qIk&feature=related
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  1. Taylor Hybl
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    Posted 06/13/2011 9:19 PM

    If we have a good trade senario without giving up to much go for it.  Also who says this guy doesent play some kind of DEFENSE.  2 STEALS PER GAME 2ND IN THE NBA!
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 06/13/2011 11:38 PM

    not that ellis isnt a great player or anything because he is. technically he could have been an allstar last year.

    but... i mean.. golden state runs offence really really really fast? it's their system? in a slow-it-down system control the pace-of-the-game like portland runs. they're arn't as many shots or opportunities to get the ball for assists.
    do you really think that ellis could average the points/assists for portland that he put up last year?
    as far as defence. steals are difficult to say. 1 on 1 on the ball steals are different from playing-the-passing lanes.. like the warriors are told to do. portland doesnt play the passing lanes as much as golden state does. portland would rather put up a hard contest than take a chance. but... wallace and matthews do play the passing lanes more than the rest of the team.

    but i dont like trading for ellis personally hes a good player dont get me wrong.. however i'd much rather see LA with the ball in his hands more and the team playing through him next year. rather than bringing in another guy who is best with the ball in his hands..... which is one of the reasons why matthews did well last year. he can play without the ball.
    basically we dont need a score-first-point. need a pass-to-LA-point like miller who can come off the bench as the backup pg for a year or two......
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/14/2011 12:03 AM

    Well hold on. We run a slow-it-down, half-court offense WHEN our first options are either Roy or Aldridge. Look at Miami right now. They have Wade and James getting out in transition with a run-and-gun style. Then, when they want to use the shot clock, they go through Bosh.

    I can see Portland running with Ellis and Crash. (Also, Miller has said that he likes the offense when we run.) To slow it down, we go through LA.

    And I'm starting to see this argument emerge: let's not get an all-star/prolific scorer so we can keep LA as the first option. It's this kind of ridiculous bromance that has kept us from developing so far. We are an NBA franchise. We have a great team character and excellent fan-base, but that doesn't mean we should hinder team development just because we have crushes on our current players.
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 06/14/2011 12:31 PM

    *shakes head* you misunderstood me. i'd rather bring in more players that can play off the ball. rather than bring in more players like miller/roy/ellis that are better with the ball in their hands making plays.

    look at miami now. all 3 of those players are better with the ball in their hands. than they are playing off the ball. they can do it.... but they're more comfy with the ball in their hands.

    i dont even need to respond to the bromance comment though.
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  1. Taylor Hybl
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    Posted 06/14/2011 1:00 PM

    were not going to win with the lineup we have now just throwing that our there.  Miller is very crafty but we need a more athletic guard who can keep up with the westbrooks pauls and roses.  If Greg comes back that will definatley help us with points in the paint and defense.  We will need better and more consistant play from the bench if we are to go on in the playoffs
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/14/2011 2:01 PM

    Ellis, Wallace & Aldridge would make for a pretty formidable Big 3
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/14/2011 3:56 PM

    Posted By Brandon Weinant on 06/14/2011 12:31 PM
    *shakes head* you misunderstood me. i'd rather bring in more players that can play off the ball. rather than bring in more players like miller/roy/ellis that are better with the ball in their hands making plays.

    That makes a little more sense, even though I still disagree. Now the problem I see is that we actually have plenty of off-the-ball, catch-and-shoot players (Wesley, Crash, and Nic to name a few). I would like to see another player on the team who can create and get his own shot consistently to add to what Wallace and Roy can do, or to compensate when the opponent's D is consistently stopping Aldridge.

    I don't think we have great off-ball offense, but I don't think that's a player issue as much as it is a communication, chemistry, or system issue. Maybe even a coaching issue?
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/14/2011 8:07 PM

    i think we need this guy to make it to the next lvl
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/15/2011 6:39 PM

    what i think alot of you are failing to to understand because you are fearful that your beloved precious portland team is heading down the road of all the other nba teams into the corrupt abyss of .....success?

    Granted alot of fans have their own personal preferences as to how the team should play and just about everyone has their own idea of how this team should be run as well. but the thing is, this team needs to make a drastic change, i am not sure if any of you have watched the past two seasons but this team has failed in the first round of the playoffs and did absolutely nothing to change it. 

    Right now this team has showed that it is a first round team, nothing less and sadly nothing more.
    the offense , the players , the injuries, so many different factors tie into success for this team, but one area that needs improvement is scoring. i am not talking about endless amounts of points, i am not talking about getting more 3pt shooters.
    im talking about making shots, that count! 

    Watching Miami's loss to Dallas brought to my attention how important it can be to make a shot when it counts......

    I think adding players who have immense offensive talent to this roster, will prove beneficial in the long run, down the stretch.....like around the 2nd round....

    With the addition of Ellis, this team has not only a great scorer and a fast addition to the line up, but a guy who isnt afraid of the big shot. he can draw the foul, something portland has difficulty doing. But also the combo guard trait that he can bring to the lineups, he can easily play the one or the two, he can dish the ball, i mean what is the downside to getting ellis other than hurting Wes Maths feelings.

    someone tell me what is the downside, Ellis is a different player now, and sure has a heck of alot more talent and experience than Matthews.
    is it about the players on the team or winning?
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/15/2011 7:49 PM

    i agree with tayc well said man but why would it hurt matthews feelings i have a feeling there would be no more andre if this trade went down which leaves the point wide open and pretty sure ellis would be are best option at the point in fact are only option other then the draft
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/15/2011 8:27 PM

    i was just going under the impression that wes math was going to be traded for ellis along with a draft pick or two
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/15/2011 9:31 PM

    Not too hot on the topic of trading Mathews for Ellis.  I'd rather see if we can get him for Batum.  Wesley's aggression, scoring, and defense are better than Batum's.  Batum is good, but he always hides, and it's starting to bug the hell out of me.  If we could get Ellis for Camby and Batum, I'd put the hammer down and agree to it.  But a Wesley Mathews for an Ellis?  Eh... maybe.  I'd probably do it, but I'd much rather get rid of Batum than Wesley lol
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/15/2011 9:34 PM

    Thank you, TayC, that was exactly what I meant with the bromance comment.

    And I definitely see Ellis playing more 2 than point.

    I mean, realistically, who can make a logical argument for keeping Matthews over Ellis? Yeah, Wesley had some great scoring nights, but what about all the nights he didn't show up? I don't see us regretting the acquisition of Monta Ellis.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 06/15/2011 10:16 PM

    all of you guys who commented about how you are worried about how ellis isnt good enough on d clearly need to check your facts more or watch the warriors more before you comment that.  He sometimes takes too many risks but he is overall a very solid defender and has really quick hands and reasonably quick feet too.  Only problem with him is he is more naturally a shooting gaurd at least on offense but he is a little short for a shooting gaurd.  Still, as much as I love matthews I would take a matthews for ellis any day.  I'd rather trade roy than matthews but I doubt the warriors want his contract so its more likely that we trade matthews than Roy
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/16/2011 12:47 AM

    they wouldnt do matthews straight for ellis  it have to be more alot more and i agree i would rather trade roy then matthews they wouldnt do roy straight for ellis either im sure we woud have to give up a bit more then that and the only reason i see him at point is cause i dont see us having anyone more capable on are team i dont see andre being on are team next year hes to tempting to trade right now contract and his worth and his value as veteran point guard are to great
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/16/2011 10:06 AM

    *UPDATE*
    From Sports Illustrated, the Golden State GM says they are not shopping Ellis
     “We are not shopping Monta Ellis. It is business as usual here. I think you have to look at what just happened in the Finals — it seemed like Dallas played pretty small guards throughout that series with Miami and did a pretty good job of it. Our problem is not the small backcourt [of Ellis and Stephen Curry]. Our problem is defense.”

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  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/16/2011 10:36 AM

    While I would love to have Ellis on our team, I think it would be wrong to move mathews at this point, he had a great rookie year, and barely fell off (like is common after a good first year) on his second year, I would hate to send him elsewhere before seeing how hard he worked this offseason to improve his game. Plus Mathews contract is so friendly to this team, barring an amnesty clause allowing us to release Roy from the cap, we would have over 30 mill tied up on two shooting guards for the next two years.
    Just playing devil's advocate, of course, i would have voted Montai Ellis MIP last year maybe even ahead of aldridge if i were an unbiased nba fan, but i think Wesley could be in the running for MIP next year.
    I think we are one or two small pieces away from being a contender, picking up a backup 4 or 5 (the guy from morehead or the center from usc should still be available at 21) in the draft and doing a sign and trade for oden's contract for a back up veteran pg would do me fine.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/16/2011 7:36 PM

    so cutting wesley would be morally difficult 
    but cutting Roy to make cap room sits as an excellent idea?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/17/2011 3:19 AM

    Posted By TayC on 06/16/2011 7:36 PM
    so cutting wesley would be morally difficult 
    but cutting Roy to make cap room sits as an excellent idea?

      People have a tenancy of remembering the last thing that satisfied them and forgetting those that lead up to it.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/17/2011 2:42 PM

    He's a max deal role player, he gives us what Jason Terry gives the mavs.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/17/2011 5:49 PM

    The last thing i remember was Brandon Roy single handedly making the attempt to save his teams season while the rest of his teammates were getting autographs from Dirk

     He's a max deal role player, he gives us what Jason Terry gives the mavs

    a poor vocabulary with a tendency to show off?

    Jet Fuel??

    cmon, the mavs as an example, Odom for the lakers would of been better. haha.

    I think Wesley already has been treated fairly, he came in last year, his second year and started over a three time all star and rookie of the year.....
    okay put that on your resume and you can land on any team.

    but i am beginning to feel as if Roy and Wesley cant be on the same team together....and move forward at the same time.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/17/2011 11:32 PM

    hes better then terry(terry needs a pick to get open)
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/18/2011 1:50 PM

    I think our player resources probably would yield only one trade and I would rather go for Devin Harris instead of Ellis.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/19/2011 8:18 PM

    whats more needed

    speed    or     points?
    to be or not to be....winners that is....
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. freddead
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    Posts: 321

    Posted 06/19/2011 10:21 PM

    ellis is better the harris  in almost every way there both fast but ellis is a natural scorer who gets other people involved as well he had 5.6 assist per game last year harris had barely over 7 not that big of a margin every other stat ellis crush's harris numbers
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