Will Blazers Draft a PG or a C/PF?
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/24/2011 10:04 PM

    With the 21st pick the blazers have the ability to trade up, or select the best player availible. They can try to find a PG of the future or perhaps they can add some beef to the front line. With all the options they have in the draft what route do you beleive the team should take. Are there players worth trading up for? How much would you be willing to give up if you were to jump up in the draft order? What players would you like the team to select with the 21st pick? Will it be better for the Blazers to get a Big to backup LA or get the Point Guard of the Future to learn from Andre Miller? Share you opinions and thoughts below and tell us what you think the Blazers should do this upcoming draft.

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  1. freddead
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    Posted 05/24/2011 11:35 PM

    id love to get a point guard but would also love a good defensive PF/C
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 05/25/2011 9:13 AM

    trade our pick away, drafting point guards is growing tiresome. next year utilize miller and patty, stick armon in d league and hope he learns to pass the ball.  sign chris johnson, jeff pendergraph, greg oden, and joel pryzbilla to back up Ltrain and camby. I'd say go 3 deep at each position because i expect injuries. utilize roy and matthews at the 2 utilize batum and wallace at the 3 that's your team, sorry rudy.
  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 05/25/2011 9:35 AM

    I say we will make some trades and get Demetry McCamey @ pg, Kenneth Faried @ pf/sf and a c/pf like Lucas Noguiera.
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  1. bigpappapumpxxx69
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    Posted 05/25/2011 12:13 PM

    trade the picks and a player for a lower draft pick. later in the season this will be valuable in a package deal for an impact player. (andre, rudy, marcus plus the draft pick you traded for). Portland should go big with thier pick. Every team likes bigs. Maybe i will apply for the gm position.....
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  1. bigpappapumpxxx69
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    Posted 05/25/2011 12:15 PM

    can you say less than 50 wins again?
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/25/2011 1:06 PM

    Trade Batum to the Cav's for the #4 pick.  Select PG or Big



    Trade Rudy, #21, #51, Armon and any other bench player and mover up in the draft to acquire either a Big or a PG,  (whatever was not selected with the #4 pick).
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/25/2011 1:27 PM

    I also like McCamey. He is solid at shooting the 3 (.45%) and can learn how to run a team from miller. I also love faried and his play style.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/25/2011 2:21 PM

    If the draft picks go like:  PG, PF, PG and we have the number 4 pick then the number 1 center should be available and the number 3 PG is available.  The number 1 shooting guard should be availble also.  What helps us the most.  My bet is the best big will help the most.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 05/25/2011 2:37 PM

    FORGET DRAFT PICKS!!!!!

    As fans who have watched the past 4 seasons  i would think that by now some of the more noticeable common factors would of been noticed by most of you....but nope.

    Draft picks/ rookies are not getting this team anywhere. !!!!! NOWHERE!!!!!

    GO AFTER  players who know how to play in the league already, first year jitters are out, experience.
    From what i gather most of the fans would like to keep oden around and still go after a big in the draft.
    Or to try and grab someone like Kemba Walker, who is only going to evolve into what Monta Ellis is now.

    Go for Ellis. He is similar to Kemba, but just so much better. Idk what GSW are doin with him and curry but i know they cant keep them both and Ellis had some nice numbers last season.....
    And if you keep Greg, him an Ellis were McDonalds's all stars together.....
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  1. Taylor Hybl
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    Posted 05/25/2011 3:48 PM

    got to trade batum for a top 6 pick and c who bites if not we have to focus on getting Faried!!
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 05/26/2011 9:25 AM

    Posted By TayC on 05/25/2011 2:37 PM
    FORGET DRAFT PICKS!!!!!

    As fans who have watched the past 4 seasons  i would think that by now some of the more noticeable common factors would of been noticed by most of you....but nope.

    Draft picks/ rookies are not getting this team anywhere. !!!!! NOWHERE!!!!!

    GO AFTER  players who know how to play in the league already, first year jitters are out, experience.
    From what i gather most of the fans would like to keep oden around and still go after a big in the draft.
    Or to try and grab someone like Kemba Walker, who is only going to evolve into what Monta Ellis is now.

    Go for Ellis. He is similar to Kemba, but just so much better. Idk what GSW are doin with him and curry but i know they cant keep them both and Ellis had some nice numbers last season.....
    And if you keep Greg, him an Ellis were McDonalds's all stars together.....

    I'd have to agree, we continue to draft "shooters" and after we develop them we trade them for next to nothing and draft another, develop and trade. teams love us because we develop the rookies and then trade them off. im tired of rebuilding. get a couple key players we are missing and get us another banner. the fact that jimmer is on the front page right now disgusts me. what are we going to do, trade batum to draft jimmer and watch him fail boat like babbit? then the second he shows some glimpse of skill 3years from now trade him for another pick?
  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/26/2011 12:59 PM

    OK, let's forget about draft picks.  We go after Monta Ellis.  How much do we give up to get him?  I like Monta but I am not sure he is a  PG and if he is not then he becomes a tweener along with many other tweeners.  Maybe this is the way to go and hope he becomes the second Porter.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/26/2011 1:25 PM

    Batum, Fernandez, Camby or Miller, & Draft picks for Ellis? not sure what the contracts are. Would that even be enough to get Ellis? Would the team be giving up to much? Ellis would pick up the tempo on a team that is build to run. His shooting would space the floor but would his play style fit with the system?
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/26/2011 1:56 PM

    I think equivalent value would be Batum, Fernandez, #21 and #51 for Ellis.  We cannot trade Camby in this scenario because we would not have a center with the remaining players.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/27/2011 1:08 PM

    i was just throwing camby in because of his expiring contract. The warriors would be able to build their franchise around curry, have solid defense and athleticism with Batum, and an energy player in Fernandez, whom I feel would fit great in the Warriors run and gun system. They would also get several draft picks to add to their roster. These are all reasons why Golden State would go through with the deal. What does Portland gain? A younger more athletic point guard who has a score first mentality. Ellis and Aldridge would work great together in the pick and roll because defenses would have to respect both players and both guys have range and can take it all the way.  Portland loses depth and defense on the bench by losing Batum. Fernandez won't be that big of a loss. If the warriors were to agree on a deal like this I would be all for it. Its tough letting go of batum but we need a solid PG, not two solid SF.

    Imagine watching this at the end of a fastbreak instead of a lay in by Miller.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/27/2011 1:11 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ECuqZji5w
    Wow. I after watching this I feel like we would be getting another steal if we got Ellis!!
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/27/2011 1:53 PM

    I think portland should search out any team that wants to get out of the draft.  If that team is in the #10 to #15 range then we should buy that pick at probably 3 Mil. We should use that pick to get either Klay Th0mpson, Alec Burks, Kemba Walker, or Kenneth Faried.  This would be in addition to the trade for Ellis.  My only problem is we still do not have a decent Big to back up Camby.  What do you think?
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/27/2011 2:05 PM

    Should we go after DeAndre Jordan?  Is he restricted or unrestricted?  Another possibility would be Marcus Gasol.  Can anyone think of possibilities?
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 05/27/2011 10:45 PM

    heck....even Brandon wants to just watch Ellis dunk away.
    i say go after Ellis and Jordan, in a 3 team trade maybe get D. Lee to head to Clip show.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/28/2011 12:08 PM

    I agree with Ellis and Jordan. These moves address both needs at the PG and Big Man positions. I would also like to see the Blazers buy a draft pick from another team and try to find a solid addition to the roster.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/28/2011 12:35 PM

    Results:



    Obtain: Ellis, Jordan, kemba Walker,



    Question:  Did we improve our team for a playoff run? 
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 05/28/2011 1:32 PM

    nah we shouldnt get Jordan.  As far as big men what we could really use is another big who can score since that would open up Aldridge on offense since it would be more difficult to double team him.  Im hoping Oden can be that scoring big man we need but I wont keep my hopes to high because of his history.  I guess if we trade Camby than Jordan would be a good pickup but if we dont I dont think he's what we need.  Also really the only areas were he is clearly bettter than Camby is his youth and athleticism.

    I am a fan of the Blazers draft selections. Feels good to finally be able to say that
  1. cransford24
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    Posted 05/28/2011 1:38 PM

    same with Faried.  I love his game and think he could be a good adition IF we trade Camby, but I dont think we need another mostly defensive big man right now.  I like the Idea of getting Ellis though so if we were to trade Camby and Miller for Ellis and maybe one other player than I think Faried or Jordan would be a very good pickup.  Esspecially Faried, I think he could become an excellent deffensive player and pretty solid offensive player in the nba.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/28/2011 6:18 PM

    When I think of all the scenarios we have considered I am convinced Portland will do something completely different.  It is fun to speculate.  Thinking about ellis I would even consider Curry because he is a better PG.  I do not think it wise to trade Camby unless there is another Big on our horizon.  I kind of like the idea of getting Ellis/Curry Jordan, and Kemba Walker while trading Batum, Fernandez, #21, #51, Camby, Miller, and 3 mil.  Maybe even go for Faried instead of Walker.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/28/2011 7:55 PM

    i like deandre jordan he would be a good backup at C
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  1. bonjustin8
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    Posted 05/29/2011 7:04 PM

    LUCAS NOGUEIRA!!!
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 05/31/2011 9:14 AM

    he has loads of potential, but right now he is just another chris johnson. a project. the blazers  need someone who is nba ready or at least close to being ready. I really like this guy but this team could use some immediate help. Same with the point guard of the future situation, i dont feel like the blazers will find him in the draft. definatly not this year
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/01/2011 12:49 PM

    Right now, I think the Blazers will take the best player available. We need help all across the board on the second unit and need to find younger starters for the future at the point and center spots on the floor.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 06/01/2011 1:13 PM

    if the blazers do draft another player to develop, then they better actually keep him! The past several seasons the blazers have drafted good young players, developed them a season or two and then shipped them right off for more draft picks or in a trade. So if you are going to make a commitment to a player, make sure he is worth while, and that we are going to stick with the investment!!
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 06/01/2011 5:00 PM

    Just don't draft any foreigners and stash them overseas, that stuff never works. Now, if we draft a foreign player and they come over right away, I'm fine with that.

    As for obtaining Monta Ellis, exactly how would we do that? We really only have Batum to offer and I'm sure they'd want more than Nico for Ellis. I'd love to get Monta, as I think he and LA would be a phenomenal 1-2 scoring punch, but I have a feeling the price tag will be high.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 06/02/2011 9:53 AM

    i feel the same way. we would have to give up a lot more than Batum...
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/02/2011 1:54 PM

    I think I had Ellis worth as Batum, Fernandez, #21, and #51.  It is worth a try because Golden State will not have Curry and Ellis in the same back court next year (prediction).
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 06/02/2011 2:06 PM

    why doe everyone this we need to draft bigs that have no experience? camby and LA are out proven bigs, and christ johnson, oden, and pendergraph have all shown they can ball. sign them all and hope for the best, if you're really worried, i hear joel pryzbilla is a free agent...
  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 06/02/2011 4:17 PM

    I feel like if we stay close to pick #21, we'll take a big like Morris, Faried or Thompkins. If we trade up, our target must be one of the three elite point guards (Irving, Knight, Walker). I think it's much easier finding role players at the 4 in this draft and then using our MLE or trade someone to obtain the point guard we need.
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/04/2011 9:59 AM

    What about Fernandez, Camby, 21st pick, and 51st pick for Monta Ellis and 11th pick from Golden State? Then we could draft a big like one of the Morris twins or Faried at #11. Golden State might do that because they have a proven PG in Curry and Ellis is an expendable piece. Warriors could use a shooter like Fernandez and a PF/C in Camby
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 06/04/2011 12:39 PM

    there is no way Golden state gives up their star player AND their lottery pick for fernandez. Camby is just an expiring contract that they can trade or let his salary come off the books. Throwing in a late first round and late second round pick just isnt going to cut it. Lets be realistic. If the blazers wanted Ellis they would have to give up a lot more. Not to mention if they wanted their lottery pick.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/06/2011 10:18 AM

    There is so much talk about moving up to get Kemba.  I think it is very possible that this is a smoke screen.  I cannot believe the blazers are tipping their hand as to what their intents are.  We will probably be surprised when it happens on the night of the draft.  I for one am convinced Kemba is not our target.
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 06/06/2011 7:04 PM

    I think the blazers are looking for a player who can come in and fill a role without having to give anything up for him. If the blazers have to trade away good players to move up in the draft htey will be taking a step backwards towards rebuilding mode. This team is ready to win now, and they are looking to add a piece to the puzzle without losing several key pieces.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/07/2011 6:07 PM

    Posted By RipCityChamps12 on 06/04/2011 12:39 PM
    there is no way Golden state gives up their star player AND their lottery pick for fernandez. Camby is just an expiring contract that they can trade or let his salary come off the books. Throwing in a late first round and late second round pick just isnt going to cut it. Lets be realistic. If the blazers wanted Ellis they would have to give up a lot more. Not to mention if they wanted their lottery pick.

    well it hasnt been a secret that Golden state has began looking to part with either Ellis or Curry.
    So there is a chance.
    but the blazers could land Ellis if they not worry about who theyre going to draft.
    Ellis and Walker are the same type of player minus Kemba's experience and ellis has a longer goatee...
    but ellis was bomb last season.
    it just might be a possibility
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2011 12:55 PM

    If we are intent on getting something for nothing maybe the closest we could come is Fernandez and #21 for flynn.  Any trade that would give us a starter probably would cost us a starter. 
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/11/2011 7:50 PM

    i think the chemistry Fernandez has with the player on this team already, and his abilities to play extremely well in transition and his decent three ball outweigh any reasoning for going after flynn...
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/12/2011 2:50 AM

    i agree with tayc flynn hasnt really shown me anything id want to go after him for id rather take my chances with the draft in that case and btw they should really think about working with rudy at the point i think he could doit personally and if you noticed hes not a selfish player by any means 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/12/2011 3:23 PM

    Flynn is no Ty Lawson. He's not a game changer.
    Options;
    Deron Williams
    Devin Harris
    Kemba
    Rodrigue Beaubois
    Stuckey,Rodney
    Nolan Smith

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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/13/2011 11:54 AM

    If we trade for Ellis then we should try not to trade Miller.  Ellis is more suited to the 2 guard than the pg.  We need a fallback position if Ellis does not work as the pg.  I do not think trading Mathews for Ellis is the right way to go either.  If Ellis does not work as a pg then we would have Ellis, Roy, Mathews, and Fernandez at the 2 guard.  Without a PGOTF.  I am backing off selection of Ellis.  I think maybe we should rethink this and maybe go after Devin Harris or Raymond Felton.     
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  1. JakeBOrand
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    Posted 06/24/2011 12:39 PM

    To all you Blazer fans!! Here is the NBA Draft 2011 Outlook: #21 Pick Nolan Smith, Great choice for 1st round pick at a backup P/G. Trading to get Raymond Felton from Denver a great choice also to get youth at the position and trade away the older Andre Miller who just couldnt produce what the Blazers needed. But trading away your Herd to get Raymond and a #57 pick, losing 5 players in the process is a bad move, to lose (Andre, Rudy, later 2nd round draft pick, Jordan Hamilton-from Dallas, European player Petteri Koponen). But why should Blazer fans expect Portland to be aggressive in aquiring players and drafting them. Its been a pattern of mistakes in the Blazers History. Here is a possible solution. Maybe what the Blazers need is new Ownership, it would be fresh eyes and new blood. Paul Alen may need to go and move on elsewhere. Blazers need Help at the Ownership position because Paul Allen's pattern of success is few and far between. He is doing the same thing to the Seattle Seahawks which he also owns. So why should a fan of either team assume that Paul Allen would be productive at either ownership position. Nate McMillian, is doing everything he can and should be rewarded and so should the players who are giving it their 110% every game. But the Management needs to Wake up and get Real and/or find a new Owner. Portland has never been aggressive and willing to go after that Real and Quality talent in almost 20 years. Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge are the only things the Blazers have succeeded with under Paul Allen in almost 2 decades. Rudy will be missed and he was the uptempo "Spark" the Blazers would have needed this coming season. He may have had one off-season, but that doesnt mean he would have had one this coming season. Blazers fans can all admit we loved Rudy Fernandez. Plus the Blazers are a much better and a more winning team when they play uptempo. Andre Miller was a dinosaur and that was just not going to happen with him. Raymond Felton should be able to hopefully bring the tempo up. Rudy you will be missed, Blazers should have kept him. Blazers shouldnt have gave away so much. What the Blazers need is: Uptempo-Quickness, Size-at the Forward and especially at the Center position. Canby is aging and Oden is not a guarentee and the Blazers need the Size and Strength. Blazers need Depth off the beach. Thats exactly how Dallas won their championship, was with the depth off the beach and size and the quickness of players like J.J. Barea. These important points along with Youth would be great at these postions to do just that if the fans and people of Portland ever want to see a NBA Championship come to the Rose City. The Blazers will continue to follow the path they are currently on if they dont get aggressive with trades and the draft for real and quality talent. Everyone will pass them by every season until that happens. Paul Allen are you ready to get serious?
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  1. RipCityChamps12
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    Posted 01/28/2012 10:39 PM

    ^this is exactly why the blazers drafted nolan smith. An NBA ready 4-year guard out of duke
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