Are the Blazers Championship Contenders?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/26/2011 2:27 PM

    ****I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SEASON****


    Obviously it's too late this season to claim number 1 seed and have HCA throughout the entire playoffs, but hey, I'm still confident we'll reach the second round and give the Spurs some troubles.  But, next season we have Greg Oden and Jeff Pendergraph coming back (don't forget about JP!)  The center position should be good.

    I'm predicting 60 games played for Oden next season, and being ready for the 2012 playoffs.  I'm also predicting the injury bug stops.  Just throwing this out there, Batum, Wesley Mathews, LaMarcus, and Andre Miller haven't sustained a serious injury in their career, except for Batum's shoulder, which only kept him out for about half the season.  The main injuries tend to be on the bigs and Brandon Roy.

    But, let's assume we stand pat this off-season and next trade deadline.  Let's assume that Roy returns as vintage Brandon Roy.  Let's assume Oden does play those 60 games and is ready for the playoffs.  Let's also assume Miller gets his contract extension (he says he wants to play until he's 38).  And let's assume even Camby spends one more season with the Blazers.  These are "ifs", but they're also very realistic, as we've seen glimpse of all these happened.

    Let's look at our roster for next season.

    PG - Andre Miller
    SG - Brandon Roy
    SF - Gerald Wallace
    PF - LaMarcus Aldridge
    C - Greg Oden

    And our bench...

    Rudy Fernandez (likely PG or SG)
    Jeff Pendergraph (likely C)
    Marcus Camby (likely C)
    Eliot Williams (likely SG or PG)
    Luke Babbitt (likely SG or SF)
    Armon Johnson (likely PG)
    Nicolas Batum (likely SF or PF)
    Patty Mills (likely cheerleader)
    Wesley Mathews (likely SG or SF)
    Joel Pryzbilla (assuming he gets his buyout and returns to PDX) (likely C)


    Is this not a championship contending team?

    The starting lineup consists of one of the most savvy vets and most underrated point guards, who can rebound and pass very well.  Also one of the best at throwing the "LA"-oops.  There is also a 3 time All-Star in Brandon Roy who COULD make the ASG again one day.  There is then a 1 time All-Star in Gerald Wallace, who nearly averages a double double in points and rebounds.  There is then All-Star snub, and arguably a top 5 powerforward in todays game in LaMarcus Aldridge.  There is also number 1 draft pick Greg Oden.



    Let's take a look at the Lakers.  They have their bigs.  They have a lot of bigs, but the majority of them consist of Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.  We will have Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Jeff Pendergraph as our bigs.  So we have the bigs that the Lakers have.  Also, Gerald Wallace is about as equally a good defender as Odom, if not better, and also has the rebounding ability.  Now let's look at their point guard.  Derrik Fisher vs Andre Miller.  No brainer, I would go with Andre Miller.  He's got a post game, and is probably a better play maker than Fisher.  Then we look at what makes the Lakers a good defensive team.  Their bigs (Camby, Joel, and Oden all are good defensive players.  The worse one being Oden, but he's only 22 and has lots of room to develop).  They also got Artest and Kobe, who are good defenders.  BUT, the Blazers have Batum, Mathews, Roy, and Wallace, who are, in my opinion, better defenders than Kobe and Artest (Roy is actually an underrated defender. Hope everyone saw that he defended both potential game winners from Afflalo yesterday).

    So, when we look at the starting unit for both teams, who do we give the nod to?  The Blazers it seems, with the starting unit.  The only problem is experience in the playoffs, which is what this season is for.  Even though it won't match the Lakers experience, it may be enough to know how to play in the playoffs.

    Another thing to look at is Jackson retiring.  He says this is his last year.  We also must wonder if Nate McMillan will resign with the Blazers. If he does, and Jackson retires,  advantage Blazers.

    Now let's look at the bench.

    Lakers have...

    Blake
    Brown
    Caracter
    Barnes
    Odom
    Ebanks
    Walton
    Ratliff
    Smith

    Their main players being Odom, Barnes, Blake, and Brown.  Maybe also Ratliff to be a "Joel Pryzbilla" type of player.

    Blazers have, as I said earlier...

    Mathews
    Fernandez
    Batum
    Camby
    Pendergraph
    Williams
    Mills
    Babbitt
    Johnson

    I would still go advantage Blazers.

    So, do the Blazers have the team to win a Championship?  If they remain healthy, could we dethrone the Lakers, Spurs, or whoever wins it this season?  Would be considered elite?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/26/2011 2:43 PM

    Is it biased to say that I seriously think the Blazers, when healthy, have a better team than the Lakers?

    I forgot to mention as well that Phil Jackson, Tim Duncan, and the Celtics will likely retire/be broken up.  It doesn't eliminate the threat, but unless they pull a Denver, they're likely weakened.
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  1. Blazers712
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    Posted 02/26/2011 2:45 PM

    record for the blazers next year IF they can all stay healthy:55-27

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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 3:10 PM

    Dunno if the Blazers are better than the Lakers even when healthy just because of Kobe.  We might be as good since the blazers are deeper but not better yet.  Also this is considering that oden returns and stays healthy and I am not at all convinced that will happen.  I hope he does and think it is possible they could make it to a championship if that happens but I kinda doubt he will since he has missed 3/4 of his career. Our Starting lineup will be pretty awesome once Oden gets back and the Blazers have the obvious advantage in 2 of the 5 positions in our starting lineup and Aldridge might be slightly better than Gasol, but still Kobe is incredible so I think because of him they may have a slightly better starting lineup.  Our bench would also be pretty awesome if we were healthy too but the Lakers bench is pretty damn good too.  Overall I think their starting lineup beats ours but our bench is better than theirs.
    I am a fan of the Blazers draft selections. Feels good to finally be able to say that
  1. omegaglen
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    Posted 02/26/2011 3:19 PM

    I think there is a possibility if everyones healthy because next season Jackson is retiring and it was only because of Jackson that Shaq and Kobe got that 3-peat so i think they will falter a bit next season because of that.
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 02/26/2011 4:48 PM

    I honestly do think that if the Blazers could stay healthy we would be a top 5 team in the league EASILY.... I mean we have 3 all-stars (if you count LA as an all-star, which is the level he's at), next to a young center that could become one, (Oden) and good pass-first point gaurd (Miller), and the best bench in the NBA (Matthews, Batum, Fernandez, Camby, etc.)

    With that team we may not have the superstar in Kobe, but we have depth at every position and 9 or 10 players that would start on any average NBA team.  I'm honestly really excited and I think Cho has done a great job putting this team together with the Wesley signing and Wallace trade, I just think when we get a healthy Oden and backup centers this off-season then we will contend next year.
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 02/26/2011 4:48 PM

    I honestly do think that if the Blazers could stay healthy we would be a top 5 team in the league EASILY.... I mean we have 3 all-stars (if you count LA as an all-star, which is the level he's at), next to a young center that could become one, (Oden) and good pass-first point gaurd (Miller), and the best bench in the NBA (Matthews, Batum, Fernandez, Camby, etc.)

    With that team we may not have the superstar in Kobe, but we have depth at every position and 9 or 10 players that would start on any average NBA team.  I'm honestly really excited and I think Cho has done a great job putting this team together with the Wesley signing and Wallace trade, I just think when we get a healthy Oden and backup centers this off-season then we will contend next year.
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  1. cpetitjean3
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    Posted 02/26/2011 6:01 PM

    Blazers will not be contenders for the title but maybe in the western conference because i just dont think we are the complete team like la or boston or even the spurs
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  1. EthanMoney
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    Posted 02/26/2011 7:15 PM

    Boston doesn't count...seeing as they are on the east coast.

    But if LA wins the title this year Kobe retires...No doubt.
    The spurs are only getting older and older.

    To think a 100% healthy ideal Blazer team "is not" a championship contender is absolutely preposterous. We have the talent and the wins to prove it. With the cast we have been missing the last few years we have still been able to get 50 wins. Do people continually forget that? 50 wins is huge! Especially when we do it consecutively. A healthy Blazers team will sit nicely with 3-4 All Stars (Oden, Wallace, Roy, LA). 2-3 threats that can score 20+ any given night(Wesley, Batum, Rudy). Along with all that fire power, we have two vets (Andre and Camby).

    Directly looking at the west alone, it has become weak to say the least. Denver is a new (weaker) team, Utah basically traded their entire team and coach away, Phoenix is demolished and might lose Nash, Kobe is getting old, Spurs are beyond old. All we would have to contend with is Spurs, Mavs, and LA, (possibly Clippers when they get healthy). With the Blazers healthy we have what it takes to beat any of them in 7. No doubt in my mind.
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  1. McLegend
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    Posted 02/26/2011 7:33 PM

    I could definitely see us contending next year, but it is all the matter of staying healthy and chemistry as well. Also like TJ31 said a good backup center. (Who is healthy of course.)
    I am a fan of making Kobe cry in the Western Conference Finals.
  1. formalityjoey
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    Posted 02/26/2011 8:57 PM

    After watching last night's game, I think I learned that BRoy can still be useful to a team. I'm very happy for him. I do think that on defense he got blown by a lot. LMA had to save him a handful of times with the help defense. I think that's going to be a trend at least for the next few weeks. What a luxury it is to have defenders like Batum, Matthews, Wallace, and even Fernandez. (i am an under cover fan of Rudy's Defense. Even when kobe was hitting all those shots over rudy the other night, i thought he played solid D on kobe, and did all that he could possibly do to stop him)

    I was impressed with the rebounding effort by the guys against denver. 

    It was very frustrating watching Patty play. Backup PG needs an upgrade, but maybe patty's role as a glue guy is something i shouldn't overlook.

    Luke Babbitt looks so lost when he's in there. 

    My biased opinion thinks that Yes, this team is a contender.

    The West has changed a lot. i wonder who will be in the top 8 next year: Lakers, spurs, blazers, Dallas, OKC, Clippers, Memphis, denver (in no particular order)

    i'm excited =)

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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 9:02 PM

    Ethan: there is absolutey no way kobe retires after this season.  He's only 32 years old now and is still capable of putting up 30 per night.  Also the west isnt getting all that much weaker.  while LA and San Antonio are getting older they both still have at least another year or two after this year, and Also the Thunder, Hornets, Mavs and maybe even Clippers could be very dangerous so it won't be easy for us to take the west.  I think we might barely have what it takes to make the finals in a year or two if we are healthy but there is no way its going to be easy to win the west.  We are going to have to keep getting better and better and maybe even trade Miller or Camby since they are both in their mid 30's already.  I think it's possible but the Blazers will have to work harder than ever, stay healthy and make the neccesary trades to keep up with the other title contenders in the west.
    I am a fan of the Blazers draft selections. Feels good to finally be able to say that
  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 02/26/2011 10:23 PM

    Yes they are a championship team, just the NBA is a business and why would they allow the Blazers, a small market team, to advance? That would be hurting a business. 
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/26/2011 10:47 PM

    That's our biggest obstacle Tiki.  Isn't LA like 100x + the bigger market?
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 02/27/2011 10:09 AM

    We need a backup C with offense and rebounding, if Oden stays here (hoping he does) we have a good shot
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 02/27/2011 11:35 AM

    If we manage to stay healthy it really isn't that crazy to start talking about if we're contenders or not. Hell, before Greg Oden had to get another MF surgery I considered us serious contenders in the West.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 02/27/2011 3:37 PM

    i am so surprised to see a blazer fan not consider this season a championship season. thats taboo round here.

    well i am also surprised to hear myself say this, i wouldnt count the blazers out just yet.
    The team does have some difficulties with "big name" teams but i am looking forward to Wallace comin in this rotation.
    but i do think you might  be getting to far ahead of yourself.
     We will have Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Jeff Pendergraph as our bigs.  So we have the bigs that the Lakers have.
    Oden has played what? about a seasons worth of basketball in 4-5 years? And you are stating that for sure the blazers "WILL" have Greg Oden.
    As for Jeff, his ankle is questionable, this team's notoriety does not come from good recovery's , it actually might be the complete opposite.
    And the Lakers might make some off season changes as well, thats why it is hard to make a solid prediction like this there are too many factors. Dwight howard is rumored to want to be on that team next year ....maybe even CP3....its all debatable.
    As far as the bench goes, Shannon Brown is a certified starter. This kid can kill it so nicely. He could and should be a starter.
    Odom, well its all in the name on that one. The Combination of Odom and Brown coming off the bench for the Lake show just might completely outweigh anything thrown at them.

     Another thing to look at is Jackson retiring.  He says this is his last year.  We also must wonder if Nate McMillan will resign with the Blazers. If he does, and Jackson retires,  advantage Blazers.

    What i want you to think about when you make this statement is the last game between the Lakers and Blazers.
    And how Kobe Bryant basically saved the team in the 4th quarter, which lead to a Blazer defeat in OT.
    The Lakers will still have Kobe Bryant.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 02/27/2011 4:39 PM

    Are we a championship caliber team? Hard to say ,the fan in me say's "HECK YA!" while the sceptic in me says can we stay healthy?, can we stay consistant? Will we have a big man? The addition of Gerald Wallace may be the key but who knows? As far as who is going to be a contender OKC comes to mind at the top of the list. The lakers will probably get Dwight Howard and keep their run going. Kobe maybe only 32 but he had no college so he has been in the league for 14 years, so yes he is old by NBA standards. he may stay around with Howard but he might leave with dr. phil. Dallas and San Antonio have the same problem, venerable line ups.
    Utah and Denver will be interesting to see what they do in the off season. They could be right up there. The clippers got Mo Williams he did not do much for cleveland he wont do much for them, good trade. Houstons rebuilding good luck Rick we miss ya. Looking at this now with what everyone has and we stay healthy if we can stay toe to toe with OKC Ill say yes.
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  1. vietorious
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    Posted 02/27/2011 5:09 PM

    I sure hope so. 

    Hope Oden can stay healthy to play at least half the games. His presence in the middle is needed, 10+ boards, 2 blocks along with Camby and Wallace. This will help Aldridge on D. Although he is a imposing figure on D as shown in games this year, having help will relieve him from some of the pressure which he may help us more on the offensive end (if that is possible).

    OKC, Spurs and Mavs still look good though. Cant rule our Denver who IMO got stronger.
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