Could Fernandez be our legitimate backup PG?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/25/2011 3:26 PM

    With the addition of Gerald Wallace, and the return of Brandon Roy, it seems like Rudy and Patty would be the odd ones out.  However, it seems whenever Rudy is playing point guard, the tempo is brought up a bit more, and the passing happens a bit more.

    Rudy is a guard that can do wonders with the ball.  He can dribble, he can pass, he can shoot and he can drive.  The only problem is his height is for the 2 guard, but he's shown that he can play well at the 1 spot.

    I know the Blazers are looking for a backup point guard, and were looking at TJ Ford, but wouldn't Rudy Fernandez be a decent backup point guard?
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  1. numba7
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    Posted 02/25/2011 4:33 PM

    I would rather have Roy run the team at the 1 spot than Rudy. Roy is better all round. 
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  1. bonjustin8
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    Posted 02/25/2011 4:34 PM

    I actually see him as a taller and high-flying version of Steve Nash, and I remember during the offseason when he wanted to be traded because he wanted "to be a playmaker". I believe that if he's given a starting spot or even just more minutes at the one, Rudy will give this team a reincarnation of the 2005 Phoenix Suns. Only faster and more defensive-oriented. In short, better!
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  1. axekincaid2190
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    Posted 02/25/2011 4:52 PM

    We've tried Roy at 1 in the past and it hasn't worked all that well.  I've been saying for awhile that I don't want to see Rudy go, but I don't see a way to keep him around unless he spends the offseason working tirelessly on his ability to take the ball up the floor under pressure as well as controlling the tempo of the game (which I believe he just about has a hold of)  I like Roy Open on a wing.  Roy is a better distributee than a distributor.  I think that Rudy has the ability to, with a lot of effort and work, to be the next Manu.
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    Posted 02/25/2011 4:53 PM

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 02/25/2011 5:01 PM

    Posted By numba7 on 02/25/2011 4:33 PM
    I would rather have Roy run the team at the 1 spot than Rudy. Roy is better all round. 

    i think its been statistically proven that the team does horrible when roy runs the point.

    I would keep Dre and Patty goin at it, otherwise why even have Mills?
    Rudy is a SG, he is dope at that spot, not to mention it would be way to weird to have a 6'6 PG with a 6'4 SG in WM.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/25/2011 5:08 PM

    TayC, would you rather have Mills or Rudy?  If you had Miller and Mills running the point, then who would get less minutes at the SG?  You've got 3 players fighting for a spot.  Roy, Mathews, and Rudy.  Wallace and Batum are the SF, unless we put Batum as a backup PF behind LaMarcus (because according to sources Wallace hates playing PF) and move Mathews to the SF spot.

    All I know is right now the lineups will be very interesting.

    Supposedly LaMarcus is starting at Center,  Batum at powerfoward, Mathews at SF, and Rudy at SG with obviously Miller playing the point.

    I think I personally would rather have Rudy behind Miller than Mills behind Miller.  Mills is just a smaller, more out of control version of Rudy.  I'd take Rudy anyday.  Also, Mills does a good job of being a cheerleader.  According to Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley, him sitting on the bench cheering is the reason we beat Denver last time in the Rose Garden.
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  1. blazerdarren77
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    Posted 02/25/2011 5:48 PM

    Magic was a pg @ 6'9"; if Rudy can be effective at the position, let him do so.
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  1. bonjustin8
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    Posted 02/25/2011 7:02 PM

    Posted By axekincaid2190 on 02/25/2011 4:52 PM
    We've tried Roy at 1 in the past and it hasn't worked all that well.  I've been saying for awhile that I don't want to see Rudy go, but I don't see a way to keep him around unless he spends the offseason working tirelessly on his ability to take the ball up the floor under pressure as well as controlling the tempo of the game (which I believe he just about has a hold of)  I like Roy Open on a wing.  Roy is a better distributee than a distributor.  I think that Rudy has the ability to, with a lot of effort and work, to be the next Manu.
    Not just the next Manu. I actually believe that if Rudy plays at the 1, he's a combination of Manu and TP9.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 02/25/2011 10:55 PM

    rudy imo is the best passer on the team especially on the move its just the other parts of being a point guard he needs to get down but i think once he gets comfortable i think he could even start at the point
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  1. EthanMoney
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    Posted 02/25/2011 11:54 PM

    I don't think you need to be short to be a point guard. Williams is a good example of that. I love that dre knows when to take over but long term he cant stay forever. Just hope Patty and Rudy are willing to split the 2 and 1 minutes.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 02/26/2011 8:03 AM

    I would play rudy over mills at the position.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 10:44 AM

    You guys overate Rudy way to much.  he's ok at threes and is good in fast break situations but thats about it.  he's not that great of a passer because he takes way to many risky passes that end up turnovers.  Also he is fine at running the fast break but he is pretty bad at running the offense when he doesnt get a chance to get out on the break.  Mills is kind of the same way but I think he's slightly better at running the team when we arent on the break than Rudy is, also their is no way he should take dre's job, have you guys seen Andre play lately?  He is one of the major reasons for Aldridges emergence and he is a way better scorer and passer than Rudy and is also like 8 times smarter than Rudy about how he plays.  Also Miller can actually play defense unlike Fernandes.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 10:45 AM

    I do think we need more of a long term option at pg though so maybe we should just make a trade after the season to get a younger pg, but for now dre is no doubt who we want at pg.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/26/2011 10:59 AM

      I'm a man that respects peoples opinions as long as they follow guidelines.   There are only two things I ask,  the first being people explain themselves, the second being that they actually answer the question and read the topic before making a fool out of themselves.

    Anyways,  first off I'd have to disagree cransford that Rudy has a lot of bad passes that result in turnovers.  He's one of the best at throwing the alley-oop to LaMarcus and often knows where to find open shooters.  He averages 2.4 assists a game while not being the player that controls the ball and only averages a turnover a game.  Not many assists, I know, but you claim he often results in turnovers when he passes the ball (assists only count if someone makes it,  doesn't count if they pass the ball).  His stats prove otherwise.  In the past 2 games, Rudy has 11 assists and only 2 turnovers.
     
     Also, backup point guard means that he only replaces Dre when Dre comes to the bench.  I am NOT suggesting having him be our starting point guard.  He is certainly not the guy we want playing 40 minutes a game controlling the ball.  But when he's got the second unit, which will likely have Batum and Mathews, he can change the tempo of the game to a fast paced, transition scoring game, as those players do fairly well in transition, and Rudy can push the tempo probably better than Dre due to his speed.

    I'd obviously rather have Dre at the starting spot.  But I think Fernandez could do good as the backup point guard.  I'd much rather have him than Mills running the show.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 12:21 PM

    yeah I guess we don't have too many good options at backup pg so i wouldnt mind Rudy playing pg a little, but I just think he shouldnt get to many minutes there because he is not a very good decision maker.  Also I guess he doesnt get that many turnovers but he still throws really risky passes to people on the other side of the court.  Also I'm not sure if he gets charged with a turnover or not if he passes it to someone to high or far to the side who bobbles the ball and than it goes out off that person.  Because it seems like that happens more than 1 time per game.  Also just by the way Fernandez is currently shooting just 38% for the season while Mills is shooting 40% and averaging the same amount of assists as Fernandez in much less minutes.  Still I dont know that Mills is much of an upgrade from Fernandez though so really we should just only play them for a combined ten minutes or so at backup pg so that Miller just gets almost all of the minutes at pg.  Statistics show that we do much better with Miller than with Rudy or Mills.  Really I dont think we should have either one of them as our backup pg, we should just make trade durring the offseason to get a better backup pg.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 12:21 PM

    yeah I guess we don't have too many good options at backup pg so i wouldnt mind Rudy playing pg a little, but I just think he shouldnt get to many minutes there because he is not a very good decision maker.  Also I guess he doesnt get that many turnovers but he still throws really risky passes to people on the other side of the court.  Also I'm not sure if he gets charged with a turnover or not if he passes it to someone to high or far to the side who bobbles the ball and than it goes out off that person.  Because it seems like that happens more than 1 time per game.  Also just by the way Fernandez is currently shooting just 38% for the season while Mills is shooting 40% and averaging the same amount of assists as Fernandez in much less minutes.  Still I dont know that Mills is much of an upgrade from Fernandez though so really we should just only play them for a combined ten minutes or so at backup pg so that Miller just gets almost all of the minutes at pg.  Statistics show that we do much better with Miller than with Rudy or Mills.  Really I dont think we should have either one of them as our backup pg, we should just make trade durring the offseason to get a better backup pg.
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 02/26/2011 12:58 PM

    Posted By Herr on 02/26/2011 10:59 AM
      I'm a man that respects peoples opinions as long as they follow guidelines.   There are only two things I ask,  the first being people explain themselves, the second being that they actually answer the question and read the topic before making a fool out of themselves.

    Anyways,  first off I'd have to disagree cransford that Rudy has a lot of bad passes that result in turnovers.  He's one of the best at throwing the alley-oop to LaMarcus and often knows where to find open shooters.  He averages 2.4 assists a game while not being the player that controls the ball and only averages a turnover a game.  Not many assists, I know, but you claim he often results in turnovers when he passes the ball (assists only count if someone makes it,  doesn't count if they pass the ball).  His stats prove otherwise.  In the past 2 games, Rudy has 11 assists and only 2 turnovers.
     
     Also, backup point guard means that he only replaces Dre when Dre comes to the bench.  I am NOT suggesting having him be our starting point guard.  He is certainly not the guy we want playing 40 minutes a game controlling the ball.  But when he's got the second unit, which will likely have Batum and Mathews, he can change the tempo of the game to a fast paced, transition scoring game, as those players do fairly well in transition, and Rudy can push the tempo probably better than Dre due to his speed.

    I'd obviously rather have Dre at the starting spot.  But I think Fernandez could do good as the backup point guard.  I'd much rather have him than Mills running the show.
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    Except after Dre is done playing I wouldn't mind him running point... People say nash was too risky, but he is one of the best.  Rudy has quick passes that catch the defense off-guard, thats what a PG needs to do
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  1. B.O.B
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    Posted 02/26/2011 1:06 PM

    well it is an interesting idea...but i was glad to see roy bringing the ball up last night but i would rather see him and rudy sharing the 1 
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 02/26/2011 1:31 PM

    Well the main questions that are brought up are simply who the minutes are going to when Roy can consistently play 30+, and with the addition of Wallace.  We're adding a SG and a SF.  Obviously Mathews and Batum are going to be keeping a handful of their minutes, and Roy seems to be back, so why would we cut his minutes?  Rudy and Mills are the odd ones out.  So, Mills is a good cheerleader.  He's quick, but whenever he has the ball I just don't trust him as much as I do with Rudy.  I'd feel more comfortable with Rudy as the point guard behind Miller, or at least sharing the spot with Roy.  Rudy can move with and without the ball really well, and create his own shot.  Mills has a decent 3 point shot, but am I the only one that sees another form of Jerryd Bayless in him?
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 2:11 PM

    Ok I'll give you that.  He can move quite well with and with out the ball and he creates shots pretty well, but then he just misses the shot that he works so hard to create most of the time.  Also if he's playing point like you are suggesting he should do more of, he should work on creating good shots for other people more than for himself.  That meens dishing out more than like 2 assists per game and also as a pg when you are off the ball you should be able to set screens so that you can get other people open and Rudy just gets run over or run around like every time he sets a screen.  Also it is just his offense that we have been talking about in the last few messages, his defense is easily even more questionable and inconsistent than his offense.  You put Rudy on a guy like Russel Westbrook or Derrick Rose and he will get absolutely torched. 
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 02/26/2011 2:17 PM

    And as far as deciding who should get the minutes between Mills and Fernandez, both are incredibly inconsistent and streaky so maybe we should just start out with one of them during a game and than if the one we start with in the game is playing bad than you just put in the other one.  Unfortunately there are a lot of days where they are both cold but on those days we should just play Roy and Miller at pg instead of keeping Rudy or Mills in thinking that they may heat up eventually if we leave them in. They should both just have to earn the minutes they want.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 02/27/2011 3:50 PM

     ayC, would you rather have Mills or Rudy?  If you had Miller and Mills running the point, then who would get less minutes at the SG?  You've got 3 players fighting for a spot.  Roy, Mathews, and Rudy.  Wallace and Batum are the SF, unless we put Batum as a backup PF behind LaMarcus (because according to sources Wallace hates playing PF) and move Mathews to the SF spot.
    I would sit roy. without a doubt keep roy sitting until he is good to go and even then still limit his minuets.
    Have 3 goin at the SG with roy limiting his minutes.
    And dont put batum at the 4, he doesnt have any muscle on him, he is fast but hes not aggressive.
    Wallace can and has done the number 4 spot before.
    Get him at the 4.
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