Rudy Gay doing his best Dre impression. NBA is too soft!
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    Posted 12/18/2010 5:04 PM

    Rudy Gay just got suspended for pulling an Andre Miller. ha ha. I gotta say, I really don't think this deserves a suspension. I think it was called a flagrant 2 so he was ejected, but a suspension too? Come on NBA. Us fans would like to actually watch the teams play with their best personnel out there. If it is a dangerous play (Like Ariza on Fernandez when he was airborne, but of course Ariza wasn't suspended) I'm all for making these guys more self conscious about hurting another player in dangerous situations. But someone running and shoving someone... come on. He wasn't trying to hurt Scola, he was sending a message, obviously because the refs missed something probably at least twice again. How many players have you seen get injured by being shoved on the floor? How many when shoved in the air? Oh and Derek Fisher did WAY worse to Scola and he was not suspended. Somehow it seems the Laker players get the benefit of the doubt while they stick it to everyone else. I feel like the guys handing down all these ridiculous fines and suspensions were born and raised in an office and have never competed in any sport whatsoever.

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/18/2010 5:57 PM

    I mean why does gay think he can get away with stuff like that.
    Like i know you are one of the biggest supporters of the fact that , "the NBA may be lenient towards its superstars" so i would think you would be in favor of this.

    What this goes to show though, is the NBA is loosing its pride. Players are not taking the game as serious as the used to, and they are more bent of physical pain and revenge than mental.
    A loss hurts way more than Running into someone full speed. i know it seems like it shouldnt, but it does.

    Gay may have been trying to send a message, and miller was probably doing the same, but the only message that both of them managed to get off is " HEY LOOK, I am a sore loser" "hey! i dont have any sportsmanship over here!!!" There are smart ways to do things such as "sending a message" Jordan Farmar came out in an article the other month in Mens Health, the article was about how you can send a message to an oppenent without getting called, Farmar stated " Get at one your Bigs when you are in transition and tell one of your bigs to set a hard screen on the guy who is causing you all the trouble one that will register for sure."

    This is a smart way of doing it, because its still basketball, its not barbaric.!
    If players keep this up i would honestly expect stern to start handing fat fines, longer suspensions or straight up hold out for a season.
    The NFL already tried this kinda crap earlier this year, all these players were causing helmet to helmet hits, really injuring some guys, so the commish sent out a warning " fat fines and suspensions if it continues" so next week it stopped.
    So this should be handled the same way, if you think the NBA is to soft, get into UFC or watch the Baltimore Ravens Defense led by Ray Lewis, the NBA is not becoming soft, its becoming unprofessional and at an alarming rate.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 12/18/2010 6:10 PM

    the NBA may be lenient towards the Lakers obviously
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    Posted 12/18/2010 6:16 PM

    You guys remeber when Gerald Wallace was going for a dunk, and Bynum ran over and threw a blatant elbow nailing GW in the ribs in mid air? Dude was in the hospital with a fractured lung and busted ribs, just because the Lakers were losing the game, and Bynum was not even assessed a flagrant foul until after the game was over with. "Just a good clean foul, no flagrant."

    Whatever Commissioner Stern, we'll find away to whoop your hot-headed thug wannabe Fakers.
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    Posted 12/18/2010 6:49 PM

    I am old school on this subject.  Where are you barnettfan?  I would much rather see games MATTER again to these players.  Winning or losing?  Doesn't seem a priority anymore.  Getting "posterized" or making ESPN's Top Ten?  That's what matters.  So, when a player like Miller shows a little pride without committing what I would call a "dangerous" foul, he gets suspended?  Agree 100% TomL.  Let's get back to the days when the players policed THEMSELVES, and if you had a mouth like Garnett, you had a fist in it as often as you didn't.  I believe that to be a far more entertaining brand of basketball, something that calls out Stern's name in his native language, money.  Stern's NBA is becoming more and more like a bad Jerry Springer re-run or like the old WWF.  It is getting ridiculous. 

    Happy to see the CBA and a lockout.  These athletes/entertainers need to really FEEL this economy like everyone else in order to better appreciate what they have.
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    Posted 12/18/2010 11:30 PM

    Tobyus I think that foul Bynum did on Wallace was a dangerous foul. Any time someone is airborne like that you need to be extra cautious, and I think those are the ones that need suspensions, even if he didn't mean to do it. It is a dumb foul with an extremely high chance of seriously injuring someone to save 2 measly points. That is 10 times more dangerous than what Andre and Rudy Gay did. But of course the exception to rule seems to be if you are a Laker you won't get the hammer.

    BDawg I totally agree. These players need to be able to show some emotion and to be able to stand up for themselves. Even what Farmar said isn't gonna work for everyone in every situation and if you think about it when you set a hard pick with the intention of sticking someone by using your momentum and their own momentum against them is way worse than simply knocking someone over.

    It is pathetic to me that they really started cracking down on this stuff after the Malice at the Palace, which really was some stupid fans fault that ruined everything. It's just like the typical movie scenario where naive office nerds in positions of authority are barking unrealistic orders to the guys doing the real work.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 12/19/2010 12:41 AM

    Looked accidental to me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA

    But I can see your point.  Gay didn't even hit him hard,  the NBA is way too soft.  Andre's was more aggressive than this one.
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    Posted 12/19/2010 1:58 AM

    Well to me Bynum didn't look like he meant to really hurt Wallace, but it is still dangerous because he was in the air and he threw his elbow into his rib cage. I think those should be taken more seriously by the league.

    I agree Dre's was a bit more forceful than Gay's, but Griffin is twice Dre's size so if you know basic physics then you can understand. Specifically Newton's three laws of motion. An object that is standing still will remain still unless a force acts to accelerate it. This acceleration is directly proportional to the force and is inversely proportional to the mass of the object. The greater the mass of the object being accelerated, the greater the amount of force needed. For example, one object is twice the mass of another object and it can therefore move it with relative ease without applying much force. However, if the bigger object does not receive the message that you do not do such a silly thing to the veteran object even though it is half the size, the half sized object will need to use the proper amount of force to accelerate the object twice it's mass to ensure reception of the message.

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/19/2010 4:52 PM

    You guys its not the fact of how hard he hit him, geezus.
    Its the fact that he HIT HIM!!!!!
     WTF is this the colloseum, like should we just let fans decide what penalty should take place after each foul?

    Like come on, It really doesnt matter if he Hit him, Ran into him like Dre, or if he started cussing him out in the middle of the court.
    Its the principle. The NBA is a professional sport, and YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW THIS!!!!!! What is happening is the epitome of unprofessional and that cannot be allowed.
    NBA comes with a reputation and they want to protect it, and they should. This sport can be very classy and artistic at times, but its this violence and Testosterone that shows the ugly side, the fact that, "yeah some of these guys are from the hood, and they will shut u up" or even " these are all grown men in one room, do the math when one of them wants to act like a Boss!".
    I think the next person who does this should be suspended for multiple games and charged with a fat fine, and if any of them try it a second time, suspended indefinitely.

    If they want to piss them off, then do it in context at least, cross em over, heck if you GAY shoot a 3 at the buzzer. 
    If your dre, well, you cant do much apparently , because "every ones too big for you"
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 12/19/2010 5:15 PM

    You're wrong TayC.  A lot of refs in this league determine what type of foul should be called depending if a player got injured or not.  The NBA itself can go review it if they please, but it is still too soft.  Back in the day, fierce rivalries were made by fist fights, brawls, and trash talking.  Right now, everyone hates KG because of his trash talking.  Back in the day, he's basically just a soft kitten with claws.

    I remember Portland players use to absolutely hate the Lakers.  I remember Dunleavy and Rick Fox walking down court looking at each other cussing at each other, with lips easy to read.  I remember Shaq trash talking and calling the Kings the "Queens".  Now, everyone just respects each other and honestly it ruins the fun from the fans.  As much as a sport should just be left to being a sport, the emotions created are what make basketball basketball.  It's fun to hate and it's fun to be hated.  You ask any professional player and they'll say they'd rather be hated than being the good guy.  Look at LeBron, he plays way better when boo'd than if cheered.  Kobe was the villain, LeBron is the villain, KG is the villain, Pierce is the villain... no one wants to see the good guys win.

    You be like the NBA and try to eliminate the emotion of the sport, which all these new technical foul rules and softer calls do, you ruin the sport.  No fan here wants to see basketball for their entire lives seeing no emotions in the game.  Even the NBA knows this.  Why else would Cleveland vs Heat and "LeBron's first visit to Cleveland since joining the Heat" be on TNT and advertised so much?  People wanted to see the fans reaction.  The anger, the hate, the emotions.  No one gave a crap about the game and we all knew the Heat would win.  We wanted to see it.

    Might sound gross, but the human race loves violence and conflict.  Gladiators are a good example.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/20/2010 4:12 PM

     You're wrong TayC.  A lot of refs in this league determine what type of foul should be called depending if a player got injured or not.  The NBA itself can go review it if they please, but it is still too soft.  Back in the day, fierce rivalries were made by fist fights, brawls, and trash talking.  Right now, everyone hates KG because of his trash talking.  Back in the day, he's basically just a soft kitten with claws.
    Word, But your missing the point once more, it was intentional, and the fact that he intentionally hit him, hard or soft, is why he gets suspended. because it was pre meditated.
    And i dont mean to get extreme, but you are right, rivalries used to be formed by brawls and fist fights, but before then, when basketball was still new, that was not the case. it was only after it evolved and players were unable to check their emotions at the door, as much as you can love this game, you must remember it is a game.

    Extreme: like think about us as people, and how we used to act, like barbarians, but we evolved, and we understood that you cant just hit someone for no reason, and then we learned to penalize those that decided they could do that, and those penalties went even further to prevent it from happening, the only part that hasnt evolved is the guy who is always there and thinks the rules dont apply to him, there will always be that guy.

    You can play the game with dedication and with effort, and heart, but it doesnt mean you need to include violence, and rage, like come on. 
    The NBA just wants to protect its reputation, it wants to show people that these are not just a bunch of mindless mongrels out there chasing an orange wanting to pulverize each other.
    Like if you think that what either Dre or Gay, haha, did then i highly suggest you get NFL Network, every sunday these guys do stuff just like that, and its totally part of the sport!
    Basketball however physical it can get, IS not ABOUT HITTING THE OTHER PLAYER BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSING OR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 12/20/2010 5:14 PM

    Na I agree they deserved the suspension, but it's stuff people like to see.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/20/2010 5:24 PM

    oh without a doubt i can agree with you on that. but that doenst mean that it is right nor should we feed their fire.
    I dont know, basketball means alot to me and i would hate to see it discredited because a couple of players thought they could get away with something the rest of the league couldnt.
    Roddman tried that crap, and they made such an example out of him he is still feeling the repercussions, dude got married wearing a dress.
    its sad that we do want to see someone throw something at LeBron, or fights in hockey games, its just sad that people get more pleasure out of that than peacefulness , but i have often compared Basketball players to Gladiators, they are in a ring, a wood surfaced one, and they themselves are the main attraction, foreign tall beasts from all over the world, who display their talents and skills as we awe at their cosmic abilities.
    dope commercial idea......
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/25/2010 10:04 PM

    so i just pulled this off the Wiki page for "Flopping" and i was assuming that you would agree with these statements because of your disaproval of the lack of violence in the sport.
    So here it from the guy who has spent more time off the court than he does on it, Sheed.
     

    One of the most vocal complainers about flopping in the NBA has been the recently retired Rasheed Wallace. In a 2008 interview, when he was with the Detroit Pistons, he complained:

    All that (bleep) calls they had out there. With Mike [Callahan] and Kenny [Mauer] — you've all seen that (bleep). You saw them calls. The cats are flopping all over the floor and they're calling that (bleep). That (bleep) ain't basketball out there. It's all (bleep) entertainment. You all should know that (bleep). It's all (bleep) entertainment.[1]

    On November 28, 2009, Wallace, by this time with the Boston Celtics, again made sports news wires when he claimed that Hedo Türkoğlu, then with the Toronto Raptors, duped the officials into giving Wallace his fifth technical of the season by flopping:[2]

    They've got to know that he's a damn flopper. That's all Turkododo do. Flopping shouldn't get you nowhere. He acts like I shot him. That's not basketball, man. That's not defense. That's garbage, what it is. I'm glad I don't have too much of it left.

    At the time, Wallace was the NBA's career leader in both technicals and ejections, but went on to claim that some of those calls stemmed from his reputation, and also believed that a technical called in the same game on his Celtics teammate Paul Pierce was sketchy at best:[2]

    Let the Golden Child [LeBron James] do that, or one of the NBA Without Border kids do that, it's all fine and dandy. This game is watered down, watered down with all that flopping. They're setting rules on us to the point where you're taunting if you dunk on somebody. Paul dunked it and then he didn't say nothing, but it's a tech.
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    Posted 12/25/2010 10:24 PM

    Posted By TayC on 12/19/2010 4:52 PM
    You guys its not the fact of how hard he hit him, geezus.
    Its the fact that he HIT HIM!!!!!

    Well then why didn't Griffin get suspended? He hit Andre twice in the back, one time into a moving player which could be dangerous.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 12/27/2010 8:22 PM

    well i remember blake boxing out, and dre reaching in, blake nudging him away, then andre continue to try and jump on his back, and Blake at whatever gigantic size he's at, he could sneeze and miller could break a leg  at that proximity.
    ps
    blake is killin it right now at SAC, Dalembert just hit griffin in the face and the had to wait to see if he was going to get FT or not.
    i mean, hit in the FACE.
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