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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 11/13/2010 9:39 AM

    This idea of not feeding the "trolls" is a bit ridiculous. I understand the hope of having a meaningful dialogue about our Beloved Blazers, but to rule out apriori certain people from the great conversation is only going to limit one's thinking. You can always learn from anyone even, if they speak half truths, satire, undeveloped impressions, argue with faulty syllogisms, etc. People who have been branded "trolls" have said dumb things, AS WE ALL HAVE, but they have also said good things and made good points. I've been a Troll by definition, if a troll is someone who wants to stir the pot to see what comes to the top, but I Love the Blazers and I think most of the people who have been Labeled "trolls" love the Blazers as well and to suggest that certain questions are out of bounds because they are started by a "troll" is ethically wrong and should be labeled discrimination. People have called Tiki and tayc and Toml "Trolls" and seem to reject most of their ideas outright, but I think they have all brought up just as good ideas as Dhawes22 or Kim. My point is - feeding the "trolls" is good for your mind, for the "troll," and for all of us somewhere in between.
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  1. Quesocaliente
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    Posted 11/13/2010 10:13 AM

    Kenny, I think you have a valid point but here's the thing: None of these people are straight up trolls, but when people say stupid things that are obviously useless you should ignore them. The troll could be anyone, but nyone should not be fed, if they are a troll.
    I am a fan of Throwing up my pair of "Three Goggles." Rip City Til I Die.
  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/13/2010 12:10 PM

    You don't afraid of anything Kenny C.
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 11/13/2010 1:31 PM

    I have had had debates with Tay where smart comments have come, he can get out of line but most people can.  I value opinions from people like Kim, BDawg, Tom, DHawes, CaseyH, some of your posts have been nice to read Kenny.  I am a laid back person and its hard for me to call somebody a troll but there are a couple on this site that have literally made me not want to come back because they suck the joy out of posting here.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/13/2010 2:51 PM

    I didn't know this website was about prejudice? I mean why are you calling "people" "trolls"
    just call them annoying, or something, you dont have to infantilize them.
    People can get out of line, but people also can use sarcasm, its the profiling that i dont like.
    Where other people can use sarcasm and it will be laughed at and taken as sarcasm, but when someone like me, who doesn't agree on everything that is said on here, when someone like me uses sarcasm, it is taken as an attack or insult, like it is suddenly not cute anymore.

    And it is very hard to keep in line, when my personal opinions are not treated as others, with respect. 
    Where i can try to have a valid conversation about disagreements over this team with another, and the other person believe's truly that i am just babbling, not making any sense because i am not praising their team. Cant take criticism. Im not yelling at you, or ranting about how the team is just SO HORRIBLE, no, i am making outsider points of view, i am giving you, what most of you say you want, and outsider point of view that isnt biased against the blazers.
    I like the Blazers! But i dont like certain things they do, because i have the ability to "take my heart" out of the picture and look at the team as a "team" and not an infatuation. So i can understand for most of you, that some of the comments i make about this team, are like daggers to your heart, but if you feel that way, dont message a moderator and say something foolish, dont try and make a spite post, calling me names that are just ever so far from the truth, respect my opinion and youll find that i can respect yours. 
    I mean YOU are in control of what you like or dislike, and if because some person came onto your internet site and said something that you dont agree with, and that makes you want to never return to the site, i think that is a good sign of things getting a little to carried away, its not like people are stepping on your pride, or making fun of your family, its basketball first.....no let me rephrase that, its the Internet.
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 11/13/2010 3:06 PM

    Tay you have to remember "troll" is really a non-insult insult... Like calling a person ignorant, they make take it wrong but calling one ignorant just means that they are not knowledgeable about the topic at hand.  In turn "troll" isn't an insult just a term to describe the means of baiting and luring.  Most people don't get the origination of the word (not saying you don't Tay just in general) it's actually from a fishing term.  When you move slowly on a fishing boat with flashy, shiny lures making a fish believe its just another school of fish or something attractive, depending on the lures, and then BAM catch them off guard.  That is what trolling is you make a thread claiming something but then you go into the thread and its completely unrelated to the topic, filled with false information, or just to try to anger people.  Food for thought?
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/13/2010 3:27 PM

    well, if you called me ignorant i would take it as an insult, personall i just dont like being called names from people who honestly couldn't even imagine the type of person i am off of the internet...... so if you like to be called ignorant that is another thing.
    Your description of fishing, honestly has nothing to do with what you proceed as "trolling", and there are less offensive, more common terms to use, such as, babbling, rambler, loitering.
    And youre missing my point, when the people on here love this team like their own children, and i come in with my views and opinions, they take everything as False Information, and they think i am trying to make them angry. Their eyes seemed to be flooded with this blazer propaganda, this die hard fan mentality that states " BLAZERS OR DIE" in a clear high pitch ringing.
    They take it as if i am criticizing them personally, or that i have made this post to somehow single them out and waste their time, everyone is so high strung when it comes to someone of different nature.
    Or maybe its because i dont live in Portland, and thats how you guys work up there.....whatever it is, i dont get nor do i want to get it.
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/13/2010 4:42 PM

    Trolling doesn't mean people who say dumb things or even people that constantly have an alternate view/opinion. Fallen's explanation of the etymology of trolling is right, except it isn't only to start threads to bait and switch, it's also comments that troll for a negative response because the troller knows it will get people angry to respond. Trollers will also just follow people around, attack people consistently, or irrationally play devil's advocate till no end on purpose just because they want to get a negative response. They will also challenge the forum rules consistently just to see where the boundaries are and how much they can get away with. They also say ridiculous things to get attention like "go hang yourself" or "swallow a knife". People who look to get an honest response by asking honest questions, even if they are not widely accepted, are not trolling, but are looking to have a discussion. That is different than trolling.
    These are my observations.
    Tay you say we can't take criticism... when you call someone ignorant it isn't necessarily "name calling". How else would you explain to someone that they are ignorant if in fact they are being ignorant? That is criticism, and you never accept that, so why do you think it is ok for you to be the voice of reason on our infatuation with the Blazers?
    Nobody knows or cares if you live in Portland or not! I do not see anywhere in your signature that would make it obvious to everyone that you are not from here. Sounds like you are holding this against everyone here without any valid reason. This is a Blazer fan site, not a site for holding Blazer fans in check by the "authority" on criticisms, so of course you will be met with resistance.

    Also the people that call me a troll are either jumping to conclusions without looking at all the evidence first, or they don't know what trolling means.
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  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/13/2010 5:09 PM

    TayC, don't try to talk about opinions. Everybody here attacks me for being a Sean Marks fan.

    PS: Fallen_Diety, who wants you want to leave and never come back? If it is me, maybe we need to hangout IRL.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/13/2010 5:34 PM

    So Tom is not a Troll, because HE doesnt fit HIS own description of a Troll.  hahaha.
    on the topic of ignorant........
    trying to classify yourself is always hard......
    And i cant take criticism because i dont call people ignorant on a daily basis?
    OR because i see calling someone ignorant as an insult? 
    Is that how you talk to people out in the world? When you disagree with them do you straight out call them ignorant? Im sorry that you lack skills in conversing with other people, but if someone was for lack of a better word "acting stupid, foolishly" i would not call them ignorant, i might say "Grow up" or if their logic was just absolutely and completely wrong, i would say " i disagree with your opinion strongly, perhaps you should rethink your logic." I mean really dude?
    Because again, i am not from Portland, so i dont know if thats how you guys talk to each other, but i dont talk to people in that matter, so i see calling someone ignorant as flat out rude and insulting.

    I mean look at you tom, you say things like "trolls follow people around"
    and here you are, creating your definition of what a troll is, and how creative of you to use examples of me. And better yet, you single me out (once again because your infatuation) even after stating your bogus guidelines for a troll, and what you say falls right on top of these guidelines.

    I mean if anything dude, you just showed YOURSELF up. I mean why are you even talking to me? Didnt you complain enough to your moderator friends? Are you looking to start this troll up again? because if you are, then by definition it makes you a troll.
    hahahah

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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 11/14/2010 2:31 AM

    Tay I hope you wern't thinking I was calling you ignorant.  Also I have gone on record saying I don't think of you as a troll just more of a pessimist which imo is a pretty good description of your posts
    I am a fan of competing til the final buzzer!!!!!!!!!!
  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/14/2010 2:43 AM

    Posted By Fallen_Deity on 11/14/2010 2:31 AM
     Also I have gone on record saying I don't think of you as a troll

    This just in, Fallen_Deity, a Trail Blazer fan has just stated on the record that TayC is NOT a troll. This is breaking news.

    More coverage on this developing story as time progresses. 
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/14/2010 5:13 PM

    Posted By Tiki Kienle on 11/14/2010 2:43 AM
    Posted By Fallen_Deity on 11/14/2010 2:31 AM
     Also I have gone on record saying I don't think of you as a troll

    This just in, Fallen_Deity, a Trail Blazer fan has just stated on the record that TayC is NOT a troll. This is breaking news.

    More coverage on this developing story as time progresses. 

    hahahahaha.

    No Fallen i  know you werent, i was just trying to tell you how i feel towards the topic at hand. Sorry if i sounded "harsh" next time really try reading what i have typed in a voice that seems non threatening, or funny, i do it sometimes and its great.
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  1. Fallen_Deity
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    Posted 11/14/2010 6:45 PM

    Posted By TayC on 11/14/2010 5:13 PM
    Posted By Tiki Kienle on 11/14/2010 2:43 AM
    Posted By Fallen_Deity on 11/14/2010 2:31 AM
     Also I have gone on record saying I don't think of you as a troll

    This just in, Fallen_Deity, a Trail Blazer fan has just stated on the record that TayC is NOT a troll. This is breaking news.

    More coverage on this developing story as time progresses. 

    hahahahaha.

    No Fallen i  know you werent, i was just trying to tell you how i feel towards the topic at hand. Sorry if i sounded "harsh" next time really try reading what i have typed in a voice that seems non threatening, or funny, i do it sometimes and its great.
    Fact of the matter most people take ignorant as an insult but we should be able to agree we are both ignorant of astro physics.  My point is as such, just because a word is defined one way doesn't mean it wont be taken another way
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  1. civilhold
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    Posted 11/15/2010 2:03 AM

    wow!
  1. Kim~
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    Posted 11/15/2010 8:58 AM

    Again, its the behavior not the individual.  I lose interest in weeding through all the garbage to reach a valid point.
     Call it what you want to, but I have my own smart mouth teenagers, I don't come here to deal with them. 
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  1. DLW-3*
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    Posted 11/15/2010 10:37 AM

    Since when did this site become a blog for childish debating? Can we please just all value one another's comments and focus on the team? This is getting ridiculous! 
    I am a fan of Making the off-season matter!!!
  1. mario250775
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    Posted 11/15/2010 12:40 PM

    Yes I agree is getting ridiculous with following posts ...

    Hej People when You want to write try to use one or two posts and don't write the same things and ideas again and again ...

    but I have to say : kenny c. is also wright but there are some limits and  someones can't see them or does' want to see ...?!

           

    I am a fan of Portland Trail Blazers, RIP CITY !!!
  1. uri
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    Posted 11/15/2010 5:17 PM

    There are all kinds of fans! You just gotta deal with it. Sucks you cant rate peoples comments, give them minuses and pluses so next time they kinda have a more specific idea of what not to say... just saying.. we can be critics =)
    I am a fan of Portland Trail Blazers!!!
  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 11/15/2010 11:26 PM

    What's worse was when you went to Blazers live chat on this website during the game against New Orleans. Here you had the Blazers struggling in a hard fought battle, and the live chat people were paying little attention to the basketball game, and were commenting about the Ducks football game. Blazers, who cares??
    I do 
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/16/2010 9:18 PM

    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 11/15/2010 11:26 PM
    What's worse was when you went to Blazers live chat on this website during the game against New Orleans. Here you had the Blazers struggling in a hard fought battle, and the live chat people were paying little attention to the basketball game, and were commenting about the Ducks football game. Blazers, who cares??
    I do 

    I agree, not every Blazer fan is a damn Ducks fan.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/17/2010 5:59 PM

    Posted By Yuriy Martinov on 11/15/2010 5:17 PM
    There are all kinds of fans! You just gotta deal with it. Sucks you cant rate peoples comments, give them minuses and pluses so next time they kinda have a more specific idea of what not to say... just saying.. we can be critics =)

    thats a great idea actually . Tiki should put that in your reformation of the blazer nation.


    hahahahah
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/19/2010 2:39 AM

    Posted By TayC on 11/13/2010 5:34 PM
    So Tom is not a Troll, because HE doesnt fit HIS own description of a Troll.  hahaha.
    on the topic of ignorant........
    trying to classify yourself is always hard......
    And i cant take criticism because i dont call people ignorant on a daily basis?
    OR because i see calling someone ignorant as an insult? 
    Is that how you talk to people out in the world? When you disagree with them do you straight out call them ignorant? Im sorry that you lack skills in conversing with other people, but if someone was for lack of a better word "acting stupid, foolishly" i would not call them ignorant, i might say "Grow up" or if their logic was just absolutely and completely wrong, i would say " i disagree with your opinion strongly, perhaps you should rethink your logic." I mean really dude?
    Because again, i am not from Portland, so i dont know if thats how you guys talk to each other, but i dont talk to people in that matter, so i see calling someone ignorant as flat out rude and insulting.

    I mean look at you tom, you say things like "trolls follow people around"
    and here you are, creating your definition of what a troll is, and how creative of you to use examples of me. And better yet, you single me out (once again because your infatuation) even after stating your bogus guidelines for a troll, and what you say falls right on top of these guidelines.

    I mean if anything dude, you just showed YOURSELF up. I mean why are you even talking to me? Didnt you complain enough to your moderator friends? Are you looking to start this troll up again? because if you are, then by definition it makes you a troll.
    hahahah


    ha ha ha no... you love showing how ignorant you are don't you. If you can comprehend it,
    why do you read wiki or learn to use google before you start blabbering like a fool. And for the record I actually
    didn't single you out, it just so happens you said the same thing as another troll. But you
    know the saying... if the shoe fits. Oh I'm sorry, I mean like if the like shoe fits I mean you finna be a trowl.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/19/2010 8:01 PM

     trowl


    I was unaware that Gardening Tools wore shoes.....
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