Posted 10/27/2010 1:26 AM

I agree that Miller isn't the ideal PG for our team but he is our PG and I will support him.  Saying that You must be daft to think Hedo would have helped us (no offense).  He has become a stand around wait for a shot guy.  He doesn't facilitate anything we dodged a bullet that he backed out, with him we would be worse off imo,

Posted 10/27/2010 1:30 AM

Stand around and shoot is exactly what Portland needs!  Let roy handle the rock, and put Hedo and Batum on either wing with Camby (or Oden) and LA on the block suddenly roy can go Left or right and has 2 good post players and 2 excellent shoots he can go one on one against his defender and any double team he kicks to a wide open shooter.  Now we got Mr. Can't shoot....

I think Portland should have made a push for Shaq instead of letting him go to Boston.  We should have cashed in on the summer of cheap veterans....sign....Where is kP? 

Posted 10/27/2010 1:38 AM

Two reasons Shaq wouldn't work
1) He HATES Portland with a passion and said he will never play for us numerous times.
2) He only too the Vet minimum cuz it was Boston he wouldn't take it for anybody else.

Also if you want a shooter we could do better than Hedo he is overrated and isn't a passionate player just seems to not care... Plus he is ugly and his head is HUGE (not just his ego)

Posted 10/27/2010 2:20 AM

Let's break it down, you want Turkeyglue, instead of Miller. Let's check the box -->

• Andre Miller had 10 points, 9 assists, 2 rebounds, and his team won.
• Turkeyglue had 6 points, 2 assists, 3 rebounds, and his team lost.

So my question is, did you watch just the first part of the game when Miller turned the ball over a couple times? Because if you did, you didn't see him making good passes and hitting key baskets for the remainder of this game. Hopefully I didn't confuse you. I babble too much from time to time.

Posted 10/27/2010 2:24 AM

I hated those calls on Miller i had to disagree.   Nice seeing Gentry get T'd up though

Posted 10/27/2010 3:58 AM

I thought this was another stupid rick roll topic, but you have got to be kidding me! Are you new to basketball chopsui? Hedo is absolutely terrible(I was SOOOO glad he bailed on us to bail us out!!!) and pg's aren't just supposed to stand there and shoot the ball all night. They are supposed to break down the defense and find an open man, something that Andre does very well. The problem is Brandon Roy sitting on his butt the whole game which makes Miller's outside shooting seem worse because Roy's lazy butt doesn't move more than 2 feet to get open so Dre can pass it to him. If the damn coaching staff would quit pampering Brandon and make him play more towards Andre's game for most of the game (like Boston does with Rondo) and mix some stagnant Brandon iso in the mix we'd probably get out of the first round and actually pretty deep. Rondo doesn't have a jumper either and Paul Pierce needs to have the ball as well but they seem to not have this stupid problem that we do. They cut to the basket, set screens and they just move all the time it seems. We just stand there as if we are afraid Brandon is gonna get mad if any one else touches the ball or asks for it. And if Brandon is gonna say stuff like "I want the ball more" then why in the hell doesn't he go get it instead of standing around for over half the game? I wonder if we got the "ideal pg" if Brandon would still play the same way? Probably. But basically I blame the coach for this. It has been going on for way too long and Nate needs to do something to get through to Brandon instead of not really doing any thing about it and basically letting him pout outloud all the time.

I like Andre and there is no way we would have won 50 games last year without him. I feel like people don't get him but he is a good baller that never gets any love.

Posted 10/27/2010 4:04 AM

He is a player from the days when you do what your good at and keep doing it.  I agree he is under appreciated most of the time but you don't see PGs that are wise enough to post up a smaller or weaker player.  He is clever and savvy and he is good for our team.  (OT Man Tom your up as late as I am lol)

Posted 10/27/2010 5:20 AM

Chop is right about Miller... That's exactly why Phoenix beat us in the playoffs last year.. WAY too easy to leave Miller and double team LaMarcus all night long. I still never understood why we got rid of Blake. That guy fit in perfectly with our team. He can shoot, he can pass, he can defend. After watching Blake tonight in a Lakers uniform (buried the winning shot for the Lakers) made me miss him even more. We need a PG who can make open shots.

Posted 10/27/2010 7:05 AM

I've posted a blog about this but i believe we should use the 3millions dollars in change paul allen's couch and a couple 2nd rounddraft picks to pick up AJ price from the pacers he is similar to Mo Williams lite in a sense. He is a knockdown three point shooter, can push the ball, dont have to worry about his handle due to him being new york bred and from seeing him break some dudes ankles from time to time.  He can ball and in limited time he can come in and do exactly what we need from a pg next to roy.

If we can somehow turn rudy fernandez, andre miller, patty mills, draft rights to joell freeland or victor claver and couple picks into Mo Williams, "Booby" Gibson, and Jamarios Moon that also would be optimal adding 2 knock down 3 pt shooters, one pg vet who can dish for assists and has one of the purest jumpers in the league, and you get a longer backup 3 that can defend, slash, and knock down the three.  CAVS are rebuilding so with Andre's expiring contract, Rudy Fernandez, Patty Mills, one of our oversees prospects and multiple picks like our 1st rounder next yr, NO's 1st rounder  and maybe a 2nd rounder we make our team way better adding 3 shooters who have been able to knockdown shots under the limelight that has follows Lebron over the years

Posted 10/27/2010 9:19 AM

A.M. shot 50% 4/8, 10 points, his plus minus was +13, and 9 assists. This was in about 26 minutes. I think those stats are pretty good for that position.
 
Miller wasn't the reason why we lost to the suns last year. Phoenix was just an all around  better team last year than we were. They made it to the W.C.F. and we were pretty banged up all year and into the Playoffs.

 I think we should be happy with A.M. and with how nate will manage the Point. We always do this to our point guards, we did it to blake and now we're doing it to miller. We should stop and trust our Coaches and the Blazer Organization with what they are doing and who they have doing it.

Posted 10/27/2010 10:30 AM

Miller is good, he's just more of a scoring point guard then a passing one. I think that they discussed that over the off season and i think they will cut his minutes lower and have roy playing the point more. So be on the lookout for alot of 
Roy
Matthews
Batum
Aldridge
Camby  

Lineups in the future. I don't necessarily think trading him is the answer. Because who would you trade him for? We certainly don't want a rookie starting even though he's good, but he's good coming off the bench.

I think all he have to do is give roy the ball more and limit his minutes so roy can play point more. I'm glad roy asked for the ball more this season because at times last year i used to be like wtf is this andre miller's team or roy's? There was times andre will go up for the floor 3 consecutive possessions trying to score lol. I'm pretty sure there ain't gonna b anymore of that.


I'm just excited the season start. And really excited to see blake griffin play against them tonight. I love griffin, but sorry your team will lose tonight. I would love to see griffin still put up good numbers though he's been my guy since college.

Posted 10/27/2010 11:46 AM

Whatever y'all smokin' that must be some good stuff, cuz y'all CRAZY!

Dre is great! He may not fit the system to the T but he gets the job done. Point guards job is to break defenses down and distribute the ball, something Miller is very very good at.

Gynn once upon a time Miller led the league in assists, and since then had a pretty good assists to turnover ratio. Definitely not a scorer.

Mark the reason why we got rid of Blake was because we were short on centers and had 2 expiring contracts that the clippers wanted. Now we have Camby. Blake is a great back-up point guard and he'll do well with the Lakers.

Posted 10/27/2010 11:09 PM

One more thing, there is a noticeable difference on offense when Andre is out and Brandon running the point. When Roy is pg, it almost always ends up with a long jumper being shot by someone. Last night Dre was +14 trumped only by Wes at +22, and tonight +19 trumped by no one!!!

Posted 10/28/2010 9:37 AM

Like I said, what are some people on?

Posted 10/28/2010 11:35 AM

Posted By Bertram on 10/28/2010 9:37 AM
Like I said, what are some people on?

...Crack?

Posted 10/28/2010 11:49 AM

Andre saved us last night. He is so crafty with the ball and can make something happen out of nothing. Do we really need another small forward? Hedo would do nothing but cramp Batum's style.

Posted 10/28/2010 12:16 PM

Posted By DHawes22 on 10/28/2010 11:49 AM
Andre saved us last night. He is so crafty with the ball and can make something happen out of nothing. Do we really need another small forward? Hedo would do nothing but cramp Batum's style.

Cramp his style and get scored on. Hedo is terrible on D and overrated on offense.

Posted 10/28/2010 2:55 PM

We don't need hedo...hes already starting to drop off, and we have tons of talent in his position. What we don't have much of is pointguards. However Johnson is tearing it up every chance he gets and plays the style of ball we need him to play.

Posted 10/28/2010 3:49 PM

Posted By EthanMoney on 10/28/2010 2:55 PM
We don't need hedo...hes already starting to drop off, and we have tons of talent in his position. What we don't have much of is pointguards. However Johnson is tearing it up every chance he gets and plays the style of ball we need him to play.

Miller, Mills, Armon, and EW I think we are set on PGs

Posted 10/28/2010 4:07 PM

Posted By TomL on 10/27/2010 3:58 AM
I thought this was another stupid rick roll topic, but you have got to be kidding me! Are you new to basketball chopsui? 

Wow. youre so (mod-edit..profanity) rude to people.
No one complains about what you talk about, haha unless its me.
someone should ask you if YOure new to communicating, or perhaps friends?ha.

just unbelievable.
I dont like andre either, but i would in no way rather Hedo be on this team.
I would rather have miller comin off the bench for someone like, oh idk say BAYLESS. someone man.
In basketball i dont think anyone should be "just standing around to shoot", if anything they have to have another aspect to their game, and we totally have that.
Rudy is a guy who, last night several times, was standing and waiting for the ball to take his shot, or moving around to try and get some space to take a shot. He has other aspects to his game too, that completly outweigh any aspects of Hedo's game.

Posted 10/28/2010 4:18 PM

I like the name Turkeyglue..

Posted 10/28/2010 4:21 PM

Point guards aren't perfect.. 99.9% of the time they have the ball in their hands, so therefore they will make mistakes.. ie; turn the ball over.. I think Miller is a good player and that he has a lot to offer as a veteran guard.. He doesn't need to be traded in my opinion. If I am a fan, I am a fan for the good and the bad of a team.. I won't bash them when they make a mistake..

Posted 10/28/2010 5:57 PM

Posted By Armons#1Fan on 10/28/2010 4:21 PM
Point guards aren't perfect.. 99.9% of the time they have the ball in their hands, so therefore they will make mistakes.. ie; turn the ball over.. I think Miller is a good player and that he has a lot to offer as a veteran guard.. He doesn't need to be traded in my opinion. If I am a fan, I am a fan for the good and the bad of a team.. I won't bash them when they make a mistake..

To further illustrate your point...Opening night I seem to recall a future Hall Of Fame PG having 9 turnovers, NINE.  I'm sure Nash didn't need a body double to get back to Phoenix safely :)

IMO however great a player Dre is (and he IS), he may not be the best fit for this team and especially for this system.  That said, I also don't believe that warrants the personal attacks by many on this site aimed in Miller's direction.  GREAT player, poor fit.

Hedo?  He's done.

Posted 10/28/2010 6:13 PM

Posted By TayC on 10/28/2010 4:07 PM

Posted By TomL on 10/27/2010 3:58 AM
I thought this was another stupid rick roll topic, but you have got to be kidding me! Are you new to basketball chopsui? 

Wow. youre so (mod-edit..profanity) rude to people.
No one complains about what you talk about, haha unless its me.
someone should ask you if YOure new to communicating, or perhaps friends?ha.

just unbelievable.
I dont like andre either, but i would in no way rather Hedo be on this team.
I would rather have miller comin off the bench for someone like, oh idk say BAYLESS. someone man.
In basketball i dont think anyone should be "just standing around to shoot", if anything they have to have another aspect to their game, and we totally have that.
Rudy is a guy who, last night several times, was standing and waiting for the ball to take his shot, or moving around to try and get some space to take a shot. He has other aspects to his game too, that completly outweigh any aspects of Hedo's game.

(sigh)... so unecessary

Posted 10/28/2010 6:48 PM

youre right, what you said was unecessary, people dont bash how stupid your topics are, i just dont see why you should bash theirs. i mean next thing you know youll be tellin this guy how he cant read, and how stupid he is.
but now thats twice youve used that, better not wear it out, other wise you'll have nothing else to take from me.

and i mean honestly your supporting your original point, with a horrible point.
That nate needs to make the players do something different on the court, and you honestly want to blame the coach for the players actions.
Thats similar to blaming the training staff for the knee injuries.

Posted 10/28/2010 8:08 PM

Posted By TayC on 10/28/2010 6:48 PM
youre right, what you said was unecessary, people dont bash how stupid your topics are, i just dont see why you should bash theirs. i mean next thing you know youll be tellin this guy how he cant read, and how stupid he is.
but now thats twice youve used that, better not wear it out, other wise you'll have nothing else to take from me.

and i mean honestly your supporting your original point, with a horrible point.
That nate needs to make the players do something different on the court, and you honestly want to blame the coach for the players actions.
Thats similar to blaming the training staff for the knee injuries.

sigh... so unnecessary.

Posted 10/28/2010 10:24 PM

I havent been immpressed with Miller either, but he is a hell of a lot better than Torkoglu.  you are just sounding stupid by saying you would still rather have aquired torkoglu.  I personally think that Portland should have just drafted Darren Collison instead of Victor Claver and then used our mle on a backup for aldridge or Oden. 

Posted 10/28/2010 10:44 PM

I'm sure we would have if he was available. He was taken at 21 and Claver was taken at 22.

Posted 10/28/2010 11:17 PM

WOW! Andre Miller is the PG that Portland needs right now, he brings veteran experience and knows how to work the ball. He might not shoot, he might not be super quick but he is very smart and passes well. But! Portland DOES NOT need more guards, we have Roy, Miller, Mathews, Johnson, Fernandez, Williams, and maybe Mills. We need to fix our big problem: bigs.

Posted 10/28/2010 11:18 PM

Hey!!! Are you people smoking dope?  Its not that he can't HIT shots...its he can't consistantly hit shots from more than 15 feet he is throwing bricks.  Look at where his shots are coming from, lay ups, and short jumpers.  He is a crafty point guard and does great when he has the ball in his hands.  When he doesn't though the only way he can be effective is to drop down low clogging the middle for and messing things up for slashers and post up players like Batum, Roy, and LA. 

Posted 10/28/2010 11:30 PM

And all you must have hit your heads.  Your saying that you would rather have a PG that can't shoot.  Rather than a PF who plays point-forward who can bomb from deep, create and pass.  Which is exactly what Portland needs. 

A player who was a huge part in leading the Magic to the finals over a guy who has never gotten out of the first round (Ithink).  As for people hating on Hedo, he had a bad year on Toronto, who cares it Toronto, when the Raptors traded Vince Carter they said he was done.  Toronto is a career grave yard, look at Vince went on to play many many more sucessful years while the Raptors have continued to suck. 

I am just saying we need a pg that can hit a open 15 footer. 

Posted 10/28/2010 11:34 PM

Your comparing 1 game on opening night of all nights to decide who is a better fit on this team? 
How about you watch the playoffs last year when Andre went out and laid a big goose egg.
Or compare careers who has taken a team deeper in the play offs, how your PG hasn't lead anyone anywhere

Posted 10/28/2010 11:39 PM

Hedo is worthless on defense. Dre is not perfect but why would we need a point forward? Batum can pretty much do the same thing but at least he knows how to play defense, and Brandon can do the same thing. We don't need a point forward, we have a point guard.

He was also a huge part of the Magic losing in the finals, and if he were so good why didn't he make Toronto any better?
You can also compare their teams after they left. Andre' team (the sixers) went way downhill after he left. The Magic almost stayed the same after hedo left.

Posted 10/29/2010 7:06 AM

Posted By TomL on 10/28/2010 11:39 PM
Hedo is worthless on defense. Dre is not perfect but why would we need a point forward? Batum can pretty much do the same thing but at least he knows how to play defense, and Brandon can do the same thing. We don't need a point forward, we have a point guard.

He was also a huge part of the Magic losing in the finals, and if he were so good why didn't he make Toronto any better?
You can also compare their teams after they left. Andre' team (the sixers) went way downhill after he left. The Magic almost stayed the same after hedo left.

Minus the fact they didn't make the finals....big difference almost making the finals and making the finals......

Posted 10/29/2010 11:01 AM

He didn't make Toronto any better because they didn't use him to his strength, which is having the ball in his hands to make a play. The relegated him to being a spot up shooter.

Posted 10/29/2010 12:57 PM

Posted By chopsui101 on 10/29/2010 7:06 AM

Posted By TomL on 10/28/2010 11:39 PM
Hedo is worthless on defense. Dre is not perfect but why would we need a point forward? Batum can pretty much do the same thing but at least he knows how to play defense, and Brandon can do the same thing. We don't need a point forward, we have a point guard.

He was also a huge part of the Magic losing in the finals, and if he were so good why didn't he make Toronto any better?
You can also compare their teams after they left. Andre' team (the sixers) went way downhill after he left. The Magic almost stayed the same after hedo left.

Minus the fact they didn't make the finals....big difference almost making the finals and making the finals......

What? They made the Eastern Conference Finals. The Magic basically won 3 or 4 less games in the playoffs. That is not a huge difference. Also they had THE SAME EXACT REGULAR SEASON RECORD the year after Hedo left. 59-23 in 2009 with Hedo and 59-23 in 2010 without. The sixers however were 41-41 with Dre and the year he left they fell a LONG ways to 27-55. That is a big difference, and he was mostly the only change they made. If you don't like him that is fine, but I don't think you are taking an honest look at Dre.

Posted 10/29/2010 1:23 PM

Dre isnt amazing, but hes closer thank hedo. 
Andre benifits the team more, he can pass the ball, create offense.
Say they both put up only 9 pts a night, but andre will have 4 or 5 assists to go with it.
Hedo's just finna be sittin there with his nine points an A gnarly last name.

But andre is no leader, he may be in the driver's seat being a pg, but he's drving brandon roy's car, its broys team. He is the leader, so if it is a problem dealing with leader ship you can hold broy accountable.

Magic losing in the finals though, idk if you can blame him, the biggest factors in that, were missed ft's, courtney lee mistake, and just absolutely horrible clock management. The magic should of won that , and im going to pick them this year, they are like the most effecient team in basketball in all aspects for the past couple years now. Stan Van Gundy show.

Posted 10/29/2010 1:51 PM

Posted By TomL on 10/29/2010 12:57 PM

What? They made the Eastern Conference Finals. The Magic basically won 3 or 4 less games in the playoffs. That is not a huge difference. Also they had THE SAME EXACT REGULAR SEASON RECORD the year after Hedo left. 59-23 in 2009 with Hedo and 59-23 in 2010 without. The sixers however were 41-41 with Dre and the year he left they fell a LONG ways to 27-55. That is a big difference, and he was mostly the only change they made. If you don't like him that is fine, but I don't think you are taking an honest look at Dre.

 Dude.....3 or 4 games in the playoffs is a big deal in fact 4 games is a series.  So to say losing 4 games in the playoffs isn't a big deal, you have to be crazy. 

Posted 10/29/2010 1:53 PM

This post isn't real is it??? My god, how could you even think that? You say Miller does not play well...well there is one reason and ONLY ONE reason the Blazers won 50 games last year and that is...MILLER. I think you need to re-think...LOL

peace out,
daddy

Posted 10/29/2010 2:10 PM

I dont understand why people keep giving the 50 games credit to miller that doesnt make any sense

Posted 10/29/2010 3:43 PM

GFY

Posted 10/29/2010 6:07 PM

right and im immature......

Posted 10/30/2010 2:58 AM

Posted By chopsui101 on 10/29/2010 1:51 PM

Posted By TomL on 10/29/2010 12:57 PM

What? They made the Eastern Conference Finals. The Magic basically won 3 or 4 less games in the playoffs. That is not a huge difference. Also they had THE SAME EXACT REGULAR SEASON RECORD the year after Hedo left. 59-23 in 2009 with Hedo and 59-23 in 2010 without. The sixers however were 41-41 with Dre and the year he left they fell a LONG ways to 27-55. That is a big difference, and he was mostly the only change they made. If you don't like him that is fine, but I don't think you are taking an honest look at Dre.

 Dude.....3 or 4 games in the playoffs is a big deal in fact 4 games is a series.  So to say losing 4 games in the playoffs isn't a big deal, you have to be crazy. 

You don't understand how to look at things in context do you? You have to go to the most conspicuous observation. The Magic lost less games in the playoffs without Hedo. How's that sound? They had the same exact reg season record and basically they lost more games in the post season with Hedo than after he left. But if you still want to cry to everyone about how ignorant you are go right ahead. Hedo is garbage and no way would he be a better fit than Dre. I guess by your logic we should trade Brandon Roy for Luke Walton because he has multiple trophies and Roy doesn't have any, championships are a big deal, so to not want Luke over Roy is crazy because it's like saying you don't want a championship.

Posted 10/30/2010 10:26 PM

(rolls eyes)
Here you go Mussolini

Posted 10/30/2010 11:51 PM

Haha. The reason we lost in the first round last year wasn't Miller's fault.  Phoenix was a better team and we DIDN'T HAVE ROY!  And all the talk about Miller or Roy running the offense?  I'm glad we have two guys who want the ball in their hand.  It means more options.  Miller run offenses and Roy run offenses are different, which is a good thing.  Sometimes you play man to man defense, but sometimes you switch it up and play zone.  It keeps the opponent on their toes.  We can do the same thing with offense.  Mix it up and run the team through both to force the opponent out of a rythm.

Posted 10/31/2010 2:13 PM

Posted By TayC on 10/30/2010 10:26 PM

Here you go Mussolini

(sigh).... so unnecessary

Posted 11/01/2010 7:28 PM

hahah
BOOM GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH WOOOO