Blazers After Varejao?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 10/21/2010 1:11 PM

    Via Sam Amico's Twitter-
     Blazers are one team that really likes Andy Varejao. Rockets another. Spurs too. But especially Blazers.
    I'd be all for it. The only question is what do the Cavs want? I'm sure they want expirings (check) and young prospects (check) and maybe even a future 1st round draft pick (check). It all depends on how much they'd want out of those combination, but he'd be amazing for us on the glass and defensively.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/21/2010 1:42 PM

    Best choice yet.  I would give the Cavs  Rex, and a draft pick.  They may want a big back though, looking at their roster, they are thin at center, so I'm not holding my breath.
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  1. McLegend
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    Posted 10/21/2010 1:59 PM

    Whatever it is I know Cho will get it done. I'm all for it, I've always like Varegao and his game. 
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    Posted 10/21/2010 2:17 PM

    i don't like varejao, he flops way too much and he whines to the officials after every call. I don't think he'd be worth bayless at all. Plus what DHawes said was way too much for that guy! But we do need another big, so hopefully Cho agrees with me and doesn't do all that for Varejao, but can give up a lot less.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 10/21/2010 2:52 PM

    If this rumor is true, one would have to assume the Blazers are looking for a long-term starting/backup center option with Camby 36 and Joel in his early 30's and coming off of knee surgery. I also have to assume there is no fear of a log jam since this franchise has been snake bitten multiple times with centers, esp recently so its better to have too many than not enough, right?
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:11 PM

    Here are Varejao's Career Stats-

    He's never played more than 28 minutes per game, which means he's not going to demand starter's minutes, is used to coming off of the bench, and is still relatively fresh even at 28 years of age.

    I also like that you know what you're going to get out of him on a nightly basis: 9-10 points, 8-10 rebounds, over 50% shooting, a steal, a block, a few drawn charges, and 110% effort.

    The question is, do you deal Joel is they demand it? Now, I do agree that we do miss Przybilla's toughness, but Camby has 2 years left and Oden hasn't proven to be reliable enough yet to be counted on. This franchise needs a young, long-term center prospect. I've been on the Andy wagon since the summer and really hope this trade comes to fruition.

    If I had to guess what the deal would be: Joel, Bayless for Varejao

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  1. rrogers
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:18 PM

    I do not like Andy at all.  I think his production is decent, but I believe he would not be a good fit for this team.  I would prefer to pick up Hickson instead.  That way, if you trade Oden, you still have a young viable option.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:22 PM

    I think Hickson is their only off-limits player. They hold him in the same regard as we do Batum, a young, promising player. I know most don't like Varejoa, but that's the beauty of it, you're not supposed to! He's the type of player you hate to play against but love on your team!
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:36 PM

    Would love to have his energy on this team. Would love to have him inside working for rebounds and garbage points. 
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:41 PM

    Exactly ! You don't go looking for the nice guy you love, you want the one you hate to play against .....
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  1. rrogers
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    Posted 10/21/2010 3:46 PM

    Its not that I do not like playing against him, I just don't like him as a person.  If at some point down the road he became a Blazer, we, as the Blazer nation, would get to know him better.  He is a decent player but I don't really know what more he could do for us, seeing how we have Camby and Pryz.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/21/2010 4:10 PM

    haha, as a person? What is it that you know about him, that makes you dislike him?
    ill wait.......

    Thats the thing with varejao, is that, alot of people dont like him because they noticed him when he became an asset to lebron and that crazy cavs offense, he was associated with Bron, some people just cant look past that, sad. Or for others, its the Sideshow Bob haircut, personally, i love it,  do you know how distracting it must be on the court? Man, reminiscent of DrJ, when Anderson goes up, The fro goes with him, '''---___ Zoom!

    He is a pretty decent player overall, alright post moves, a great pick and roll guy, and his height, Ahh, i love height. We know for sure he's a team players, but lets hope he could bring that effort over here, hook up with b roy, for a fat dunk! 
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    Posted 10/21/2010 8:51 PM

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  1. JFWard
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    Posted 10/21/2010 9:45 PM

    Agree w/ TomL, Varejao strikes me as a whiner.  I'd rather keep Pryzbilla, who gives us toughness.  No one intimidates Joel, and I think the Blazers need that.

    To be honest, I'm not going to get excited about too many trades unless they involve getting a real, long-term prospect at the point.  Even if you ignore Miller's lack of a shot, you can't ignore his age; and I don't buy Bayless as a point guard -- he's an undersized 2.  We need a point guard for the future.  One who can play off of a dominant 2, like Terry Porter did.  (Not to say that Roy doesn't need to expand his game and get better off the ball; he does.  It's just that when the game's on the line, your best player should have the ball a lot, and your starting PG shouldn't be useless w/o the ball.)
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 10/21/2010 9:59 PM

    I think a trade for Varejao would probably improve our team a bit, but I just don't like Varejao.  In fact I just don't really like any foreighn players besides the gasols and kind of Yao since it seems like they are all whiney players who flop all the time.  I'd rather just keep the roster the way it is now than trade for varejao since there is no gaurentee the trade would even improve the team, varejao doesnt seem like he would be the greatest fit, and I hate whiney floppers.
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  1. nikolokolus
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    Posted 10/21/2010 11:12 PM

    People hate Varejao because he's so effective at getting under the skin of the various Blazers bigs the past couple of years when we had to face the Cavs.  Frankly, he's exactly the kind of player this team needs:  Hustles, plays, grabs a lot of offensive boards, draws charges like mad.  Admit it people, if was "our" annoying, whiny flopper then you'd all eat it up.
  1. LTG
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    Posted 10/22/2010 12:04 AM

    Varejao would be an instantly fan favorite. A player not unlike the rasta monsta. The only problem? where will the minutes come from? I love this idea but how any suggestions?
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  1. LTG
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    Posted 10/22/2010 12:05 AM

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    Posted 10/22/2010 5:03 AM

    Posted By nikolokolus on 10/21/2010 11:12 PM
    People hate Varejao because he's so effective at getting under the skin of the various Blazers bigs the past couple of years when we had to face the Cavs.  Frankly, he's exactly the kind of player this team needs:  Hustles, plays, grabs a lot of offensive boards, draws charges like mad.  Admit it people, if was "our" annoying, whiny flopper then you'd all eat it up.

    NO
    I hate varejao because he tries to flop too much, and I've seen plenty of times where it totally backfires on him and as the player has a wide open dunk attempt,  Varejao is lying down on his back looking up at the ref, and sometimes it's an and1. I'd rather he man up and play some real defense instead of flailing around crying at refs all day. He is absolutely not effective at getting under anyones skin, otherwise I'm sure that playing alongside with arguably the best player in basketball would have produced some better results, like getting to the finals every year or at least out of the second round! Frankly we do not need that nor would i eat it up.
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    Posted 10/22/2010 5:09 AM

    Posted By LTG on 10/22/2010 12:04 AM
    Varejao would be an instantly fan favorite. A player not unlike the rasta monsta. The only problem? where will the minutes come from? I love this idea but how any suggestions?
    No way are you comparing him to Brian Grant?!?! That is absurd.
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 10/22/2010 6:05 AM

    The article says that the cavs just wants out from under a big contract and wants expiring contracts or high draft picks. Joel and Rudy may be enough to make the trade and said that the Cavs might immediatly release Joel and he could take Rudy's place on the roster. That would be great. Rudy would get what he wants, we would cut down our over populated Gds and get to keep Joel.

    I am for it because he can play back- up center and PF both. I wouldn't particularly like Dante getting less minutes after we get Greg back but since Greg is still in the proccess of getting his rhythm back we could use him most of the season as backing up Camby. Also remember that Camby has a history of minor injuries.

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/22/2010 5:54 PM

    Posted By TomL on 10/22/2010 5:03 AM
    Posted By nikolokolus on 10/21/2010 11:12 PM
    People hate Varejao because he's so effective at getting under the skin of the various Blazers bigs the past couple of years when we had to face the Cavs.  Frankly, he's exactly the kind of player this team needs:  Hustles, plays, grabs a lot of offensive boards, draws charges like mad.  Admit it people, if was "our" annoying, whiny flopper then you'd all eat it up.

    NO
    I hate varejao because he tries to flop too much, and I've seen plenty of times where it totally backfires on him and as the player has a wide open dunk attempt,  Varejao is lying down on his back looking up at the ref, and sometimes it's an and1. I'd rather he man up and play some real defense instead of flailing around crying at refs all day. He is absolutely not effective at getting under anyones skin, otherwise I'm sure that playing alongside with arguably the best player in basketball would have produced some better results, like getting to the finals every year or at least out of the second round! Frankly we do not need that nor would i eat it up.
    yea well apparently he's comfortably under yours......
    Your going to put the entire cav's run on varejao and lebron? Not the fact that when Delonte West Or Mo Williams would go Cold, the Other one would be frozen solid.
    The guy could be a wonderful assets to this team in the area that your completely overlooking, his health.

    This guy doesnt look like he's going to get injured year after year, does he?
    If he is as affective at disgruntling fans such as yourself, and he can bring some offense, pick and roll type plays, with just a little bit of defense to this team, The Blazers might have a better chance than they do now. Frankly, i dont see any negative aspects about this, if he is a big, and can play, then whats the deal?
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 10/23/2010 10:20 AM

    Varejao complains at every call, but you know what...that's going to stop with the new rules. Even without that rule I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VAREJAO ON THE TEAM. He's the type of player that gets under your skin and irritates the crap out of you, he energizes the team and gives you good production off the bench. He won't demand starter minutes, he just wants to win. For J.Bay and a draft pick though? I'm going to have to pass.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 10/23/2010 12:37 PM

    You can't have a logjam with center's (unless you have Darko Milicic or Eddy Curry type contracts) because they are at least a good trade chip.

    Also I don't like varejo, but I didn't like Camby in another team's colors even more, I hated playing him in denver. Now i love camby on this team.
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    Posted 10/23/2010 12:47 PM

    Posted By TayC on 10/22/2010 5:54 PM
    Posted By TomL on 10/22/2010 5:03 AM
    Posted By nikolokolus on 10/21/2010 11:12 PM
    People hate Varejao because he's so effective at getting under the skin of the various Blazers bigs the past couple of years when we had to face the Cavs.  Frankly, he's exactly the kind of player this team needs:  Hustles, plays, grabs a lot of offensive boards, draws charges like mad.  Admit it people, if was "our" annoying, whiny flopper then you'd all eat it up.

    NO
    I hate varejao because he tries to flop too much, and I've seen plenty of times where it totally backfires on him and as the player has a wide open dunk attempt,  Varejao is lying down on his back looking up at the ref, and sometimes it's an and1. I'd rather he man up and play some real defense instead of flailing around crying at refs all day. He is absolutely not effective at getting under anyones skin, otherwise I'm sure that playing alongside with arguably the best player in basketball would have produced some better results, like getting to the finals every year or at least out of the second round! Frankly we do not need that nor would i eat it up.
    yea well apparently he's comfortably under yours......
    Your going to put the entire cav's run on varejao and lebron? Not the fact that when Delonte West Or Mo Williams would go Cold, the Other one would be frozen solid.
    The guy could be a wonderful assets to this team in the area that your completely overlooking, his health.

    This guy doesnt look like he's going to get injured year after year, does he?
    If he is as affective at disgruntling fans such as yourself, and he can bring some offense, pick and roll type plays, with just a little bit of defense to this team, The Blazers might have a better chance than they do now. Frankly, i dont see any negative aspects about this, if he is a big, and can play, then whats the deal?
    There you go again trying to be smart. So you are going to put the entire cavs run on Mo and Delonte? You have the worst logic I've ever seen. And do you always have to follow me around like a lost puppy?
    Quit trying to play psychologist with me all the damn time too, he's not getting under my skin. I hate that people think we should give up Joel and someone else for his overpaid contract. And if you want someone just for being healthy then get someone from the d league.

    I don't think Varejao is worth his contract at all. That is what i am saying.

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    Posted 10/23/2010 1:00 PM

    Posted By Crim on 10/23/2010 12:37 PM
    You can't have a logjam with center's (unless you have Darko Milicic or Eddy Curry type contracts) because they are at least a good trade chip.

    Also I don't like varejo, but I didn't like Camby in another team's colors even more, I hated playing him in denver. Now i love camby on this team.
    I never hated Camby and always respected his game. I hate Varejao because he has no offensive skills and he flops instead of playing real defense. But at least he can laugh at himself sometimes. I still think this was the dunk of the year last year.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 10/23/2010 2:23 PM

    Too much basketball gets played around him while he whines and flops. Because he had Lebron on his team is why some of the calls went his way. Other than that I think he would be solid back up if coached out of his wineflops.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/23/2010 2:36 PM

    Posted By TomL on 10/23/2010 12:47 PM
    Posted By TayC on 10/22/2010 5:54 PM
    Posted By TomL on 10/22/2010 5:03 AM
    Posted By nikolokolus on 10/21/2010 11:12 PM
    People hate Varejao because he's so effective at getting under the skin of the various Blazers bigs the past couple of years when we had to face the Cavs.  Frankly, he's exactly the kind of player this team needs:  Hustles, plays, grabs a lot of offensive boards, draws charges like mad.  Admit it people, if was "our" annoying, whiny flopper then you'd all eat it up.

    NO
    I hate varejao because he tries to flop too much, and I've seen plenty of times where it totally backfires on him and as the player has a wide open dunk attempt,  Varejao is lying down on his back looking up at the ref, and sometimes it's an and1. I'd rather he man up and play some real defense instead of flailing around crying at refs all day. He is absolutely not effective at getting under anyones skin, otherwise I'm sure that playing alongside with arguably the best player in basketball would have produced some better results, like getting to the finals every year or at least out of the second round! Frankly we do not need that nor would i eat it up.
    yea well apparently he's comfortably under yours......
    Your going to put the entire cav's run on varejao and lebron? Not the fact that when Delonte West Or Mo Williams would go Cold, the Other one would be frozen solid.
    The guy could be a wonderful assets to this team in the area that your completely overlooking, his health.

    This guy doesnt look like he's going to get injured year after year, does he?
    If he is as affective at disgruntling fans such as yourself, and he can bring some offense, pick and roll type plays, with just a little bit of defense to this team, The Blazers might have a better chance than they do now. Frankly, i dont see any negative aspects about this, if he is a big, and can play, then whats the deal?
    There you go again trying to be smart. So you are going to put the entire cavs run on Mo and Delonte? You have the worst logic I've ever seen. And do you always have to follow me around like a lost puppy?
    Quit trying to play psychologist with me all the damn time too, he's not getting under my skin. I hate that people think we should give up Joel and someone else for his overpaid contract. And if you want someone just for being healthy then get someone from the d league.

    I don't think Varejao is worth his contract at all. That is what i am saying.

    Uhh, youre like the rudest person ever.  Im not "trying to be smart", chill out, i know your better at it than me.
    You just seemed very frustrated  at varejao, you said that you hated him, so one would think he would be "under your skin"
    It wouldnt take a genius to assume that, tom. You couldnt pay me to be yor Dr, either, so just relax.
    No im not going to put the entire Cavs run on one or two players, its a team effort, even in failure.No one is trying to fight you, or call you names, or make fun of you. Its just You act like you know everything, and exactly what people are thinking, or going to say, you should just be a little more patient and actually let someone explain themselves, before you try to explain their motives for them. :D
    What i could say is, that the player whos game had very little to do with the Cavs losing, would be varejao. Mo and Delonte had a greater influence on their defeat, due to the fact that they would constantly throw up 3's, and like i had said before, when one goes cold so does the other.  That perhaps works better for you. im sorry.

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    Posted 10/23/2010 3:39 PM

    Posted By barnettfan on 10/23/2010 2:23 PM
    Too much basketball gets played around him while he whines and flops. Because he had Lebron on his team is why some of the calls went his way. Other than that I think he would be solid back up if coached out of his wineflops.

    I guess Buck could be the man for that. I don't remember him flopping at all, though I'm sure he would pick his spots to do it occasionally. I just think guys who flop like Varejao are trying to compensate for not being capable of playing real d.
    But I would rather get someone else so we wouldn't have to waste time on coaching it out of him.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 10/23/2010 4:45 PM

    TayC: I think it was a coaching decision when you say all they did was jack up 3s. When Mo was in Milwaukie he actually did quite a bit of driving and handled the ball a lot more. But we'll see this upcoming season.

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/23/2010 5:44 PM

    Posted By Bertram on 10/23/2010 4:45 PM
    TayC: I think it was a coaching decision when you say all they did was jack up 3s. When Mo was in Milwaukie he actually did quite a bit of driving and handled the ball a lot more. But we'll see this upcoming season.

    Crim: I'm going to paraphrase Kim~ on this one. You don't go after players where you like their personalities, you go after the ones you hated playing against.

    Roger that. In no way was i trying to pin it all on Mo, and Delonte.
    But i can feel you on that, Cleveland found a routine that worked, Lebron up the middle, sharpshooters on the side, and it did. Untill Mo Williams started working out with delonte west, and they both would hit fatty cold streaks, that ultimately cost the team.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 10/23/2010 5:46 PM

    Byron Scott is a coach who uses his point guards a lot to control the offenses, so we'll see what Mo Williams does.
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    Posted 10/23/2010 7:41 PM

    Posted By Bertram on 10/23/2010 4:45 PM
    Crim: I'm going to paraphrase Kim~ on this one. You don't go after players where you like their personalities, you go after the ones you hated playing against.
    Actually, isn't that what this organization has been doing the last few years? Rebuilding by putting an emphasis on their personalities and character as well as talent?
    But seriously for the money, Varejao would be a terrible pick up and I'm pretty sure none of our players hated playing against him. If we could get him for the vets minimum, I'd say go for it, but he has this ridiculous contract that would screw us over in the long run.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/24/2010 4:17 PM

    Yea i wouldnt be surprised to see scott work that team hard, it will for sure be interesting to see what he does this season.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 10/24/2010 4:40 PM

    TomL: It works out to be around 7 million dollars a year with the final year being partially guaranteed. We have 3 players who make that much per year in Dre, Pryz and Camby. Pryz is expiring and Dre's has an option. Adding the Varejao contract is like replacing one of the other contracts once those expire.
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    Posted 10/24/2010 5:14 PM

    Yeah but those guys are worth it, Varejao isn't. No way we should pay him the same as Pryz who is about the same player without the flops. Isn't it like a 4 or 5 year deal too? That is only going to bog us down and limit our options later.
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