Oden "bulk up" Mistake
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  1. ripcity4life025
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    Posted 10/13/2010 2:11 PM

    As ive started bodybuilding i have learned a lot of stuff about how to gain muscle and bulk up.  One of the biggest mistakes you can do is adding to much weight to quickly.  Greg Oden AFTER having surgery on his knee bulked up and gained 40 pounds of "muscle."  Not only is that impossible(the most you can add is 5-10 pounds a year with a perfect diet and working out) but it was stupid.  Probobly 30-35 pounds of the weight was fat.  That extra weight was being put on his knees and joints while he was rehabing from surgery! I would FIRE the strength and conditioning coach and hire someone that actually knows something about bulking up.  Get Oden back down to about 250-255 and bring his body fat to the 9-11% range and he should be good to go for a FULL 82 game season.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 10/13/2010 2:28 PM

    That's why Joel was so ineffective his first few years in the league. I can't recall the team it was (maybe ATL?), but they wanted him to bulk up so he could be a bigger center, but all it did was bog him down. It threw off his timing and took away all of his quickness. Finally, when we signed him, we got him back down to his college weight and look at the results. Not many players can play at the weight of Shaq and still function on the basketball court properly.
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  1. ripcity4life025
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    Posted 10/13/2010 2:33 PM

    250 would be perfect for oden.  He'll lose the fat and still keep the majority of muscle to punish other centers down low.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/13/2010 2:54 PM

    Help me out please guys, what year are we referring to with Oden?

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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 10/13/2010 3:03 PM

    His first year. He had the microfracture and came back in 08-09 really heavy. I agree, I want him at 255. Light and quick is the way to go in today's day and age.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/13/2010 3:44 PM

    Thanks frog ! I hope your fan statement comes true :)

    For some reason I was under the impression weight was not an issue this year, now its tendonitis. The years and knees are blending together at this point. 

    I agree that the Blazers strength and conditioning of bigs should adressed, don't know how many more years we have to play small ball, due to lack of centers.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 10/13/2010 3:47 PM

    Again, it has nothing to do with the trainers. Its about self discipline. All you can do is give these guys the tools, you cant make them use them.If Oden isnt careful, he's going to start resembling Shawn Kemp. Or Big, Big,Big Baby. 
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  1. RVUstudentdoc
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    Posted 10/13/2010 3:50 PM

    To think that Oden couldn't have added 30 lbs of muscle in a year is naive.  The 5-10 lbs is true for the "average" male, which is 5'8" and around 160 lbs (give or take a few). Greg Oden has a 7'0" frame to add muscle to.  If he adds 5% of his lean body mass, that's much more than the normal person just based on ratio alone! At the time he was working out, Oden was 20-21 years old and his endogenous testosterone levels were relatively at their max.  Couple that with the high likelihood that he has above normal levels of human growth hormone (simply look at his jawline and forehead) and it's not at all unlikely that he could have put on 35-40 lbs of lean mass with proper training.  And if you're wondering about my credentials, I have a degree in Exercise and Sport Science with an emphasis on exercise physiology and am currently in my 2nd year of med school.  I'm also a CSCS (certified strength and conditioning specialist).

    I do, however, agree that the increased muscle mass increased his likelihood of injury.  Increasing muscle mass too quickly does not allow for the connective tissues (i.e, bone, tendons, cartilage) to adapt in an adequate fashion relative to the increase in muscle mass and strength.  Which is why I have no problem with the team bringing him along slowly in this rehab.  Allow everything to adapt and remodel in the requisite time needed.  If it's not until February that he's 100% healthy, well then that's fine by me.  We'll make it to the playoffs without him, but we need him in the playoffs to win.
  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 10/13/2010 4:08 PM

    Oden has lost alotta that weight ..

    Oden has lost soo much weight in fact that he lost that package of hotdogs .. that was camping out on the back of his neck ..

    Dude is looking TIGHT .. this year .. and once he is allowed to play (yes I said allowed, as all reports I've heard have him able to do full contact practices right now, just that Cho does not want him to) I firmly believe he will show the West .. why Portland is going to be a title favorite in the years to come.

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  1. ripcity4life025
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    Posted 10/13/2010 4:15 PM

    First, Oden added that weight in 3 MONTHS! Never cut down before he started playing again and it doesnt matter if he's 7'.  Dwight Howard added 25lbs and it took him 2 years without the unneccessay fat.  Even with his height and HGH peaking he could have added 20-25lbs MAX.  You have to be crazy to think someone can gain 40 lbs of muscle in a year.
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  1. RVUstudentdoc
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    Posted 10/13/2010 5:01 PM

    Where are you getting 3 months from? He did it in over a year.  Oden started lifting after his micro-fracture surgery as a way to help cope with everything.  And then he fell in love with it.  He came back huge in his 2nd rookie season which was 2 years ago!  His most recent injury had more to do with the stress fracture he received when he collided with Magette that year.  Because of the impact nature of the game, I'm guessing that fx never fully healed and with the added strength and muscle mass of his quad, it finally pulled the bone apart.  

    And a dude that size can easily gain 35 lbs in a year with proper training.  It's been chronicled already that LA gained 12-15 lbs over the summer before deciding to drop some because he felt "too heavy."  And you can't tell me that LA added fat with the muscle because he's always been lean.  And that was in a couple months!  Oden could have easily done 2 and 1/2 times that in a full year!  Basketball players have huge frames that typically don't do a ton of "bodybuilding" style lifting.  It's the Law of Initial Values.  For someone who does bodybuilding style lifting for years, then yes, it is hard to put on weight especially as the lean mass increases from year to year.  But for someone who's young and has no history of that style of lifting, well then they have much more room to gain than those of us who have been lifting for years.  And Oden with his frame, had a TON of room to grow.
  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/13/2010 6:15 PM

    Are Blazer fans still looking for excuses for the fact that we are looking at year 4 with that same half a glass of water ? 
     Is it half empty or half full ?? 
    Hard to tell anymore.  Either way you argue, it is still only half a glass of water.......
    Odens weight is not what I am worried about right now.

    Excellent point  ^^^ on the trainers not being able to make a player do what they need to.  Like I said, if I were the owner, I would be asking a lot of questions..........
     
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  1. ripcity4life025
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    Posted 10/13/2010 7:19 PM

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=119792759804623200
    Thats the link for his 40lbs in 3 months. I agree with L.A. not adding fat but he also was doing a lot of leg work which adds weight very quickly.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/15/2010 6:11 PM

    Posted By Lenwen76 on 10/13/2010 4:08 PM
    Oden has lost alotta that weight ..

    Oden has lost soo much weight in fact that he lost that package of hotdogs .. that was camping out on the back of his neck ..

    Dude is looking TIGHT .. this year .. and once he is allowed to play (yes I said allowed, as all reports I've heard have him able to do full contact practices right now, just that Cho does not want him to) I firmly believe he will show the West .. why Portland is going to be a title favorite in the years to come.

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    ahaha. 
    But they have been saying that since the day portland heard about this guy. He should of won rookie of the year, in 07, and in 08, damn he had two chances, how many people could of said that?

    This clearly shows that it is not some trainer, who is creating some diabolical scheme to ruin his career, not likley no. ITs ODEN, he's what 22, he's a baby in the world of experience, he's gotta learn from trail and error, it just seems that this error will cost him his career.
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