FIRE THE TRAINING STAFF ... A S A P !!!
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  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 10/09/2010 11:14 AM

    As I've read else where ..

    Once is an accident ..

    Twice is a coincidence ..

    Three Times .. You FIRE THE EFFN TRAINING STAFF !!

    Portland has the talent and the skill now .. to emerge from the West as THEE powerhouse team .. but ONLY .. if Portland gets competent fully trained and accredited Trainers in there to work with our Bigs ..

    Doing anything other then getting the players the correct trainers is going to simply waste the talent and the ability of this Trailblazer team .. and I for one wont stand for another Big to get injured while Portland has the ability to do something about that !!

    What say YOU !!
    I am a fan of rip city pdx 4 life.
  1. truebluefan
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    Posted 10/09/2010 11:32 AM

    I agree 100%
  1. B.O.B
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    Posted 10/09/2010 12:42 PM

    yeah something is up...Bobby Medina is probably the one who's gonna take the heat...hopefully
    I am a fan of camby's rebounds!!!!!!
  1. LTG
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    Posted 10/09/2010 1:01 PM

    Training staff cant prevent this type of injury, no staff in the world can. It is a freak injury that is caused by incident, not lack of preparation. Cool you'r jet's.
    I am a fan of The Blazer's that have come before and the Blazer's that will Blaze a new Trail to a championship.
  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/09/2010 1:08 PM

    How can you blame them?
    They cant make Oden heal faster. Its up to Oden and Pryz to stay off their leg when theyre told to. How many times has a doctor told you not to do something but you do it anyway?
    Dont play on that ankle! Oops!
    Its up to them and natural process of healing
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. James Durkee
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    Posted 10/09/2010 1:13 PM

    Yeah this is pretty ridiculous. for us to be a dominant team, we gots to have our bigs! how many knees are going to be toast until we make a change? 
    I am a fan of The Portland Trail Blazers.
  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 10/09/2010 2:26 PM

    Very mysterious situation. This reality is very strange. Can't let the idea of a curse spook the confidence of the players on the court. Fear of injury could set into the minds of the players on this team and cause less than a 100% effort for fear of getting hurt - I hope not, but I think it could be a unneeded distraction. The answer to the knee injuries isn't in the trainers or the players, it's in what the rigors of the game does to the human body. Like football and head injuries, basketball produces knee injuries. I don't think it can be helped, it's in the destiny of some basketball players to have bad knees and the one's who don't can consider themselves to be fortunate. I just hope for some more fortune on this team in the coming season. Go away knee demon!!!!!! I caste you out of the blazers camp!!!!!! Go to the lakers and the heat - I would never wish ill of anyone though - I want to win with our best against the best of every other team. Get better JP.
    I am a fan of Winning
  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/09/2010 2:43 PM

    hahaha, no curse is worse, then the one that lands you in a hearse.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/09/2010 3:39 PM

    I'm not a knee doctor, but..... if I were Mr Allen, I would at least inquire as to what warm ups, or lack there of the Blazer centers are doing.  Big men do get injured alot, but this is getting to be too much to believe
     " it just happens ".
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 10/09/2010 6:17 PM

    One word that will hopefully never make it's way into this discussion...PATTERN.  Why?  Because when a pattern is established, the next step is finding the source, or cause.  If this rash of knee injuries to our bigs can be traced to something that was preventable, the result may be much more catastrophic than most of us can handle.  Odd that the only big to not suffer a major knee injury is the newest to the team, that being Camby.  The player who has had less exposure to whatever it may be that is responsible, if not just bad luck.  If this train is not derailed before Camby goes down, his career will be over.  IMO, there is enough of a pattern here to start looking into commonalities amongst those affected.  Still perplexing to me, that this organization has not reached out to the Phoenix staff...the keepers of the fountain of youth.  Common knowledge that they are doing things differently and have a very strong resume that is still growing.  Sometimes, ignorance is not bliss
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 10/09/2010 6:25 PM

    I thought the Blazers already got a bunch of new guys on the training staff? If they haven't --- they should.

    The worst was when Rudy was struggling with back pains after the Ariza flagrant foul. The Blazers medical staff kept consolidating Rudy that there was nothing wrong with his back, you are fine. Here, go do some Yoga, meditate with candles and incense, and some we'll throw some hypnotherapy in there. That should cure your back pains.
    Fernandez played hurt the rest of the season, came back gimpy into training camp, and still continued to play hurt for a few games early into last season. 
    He finally said ta' heck with you weirdos, and went and got an independent second opinion. After a detailed and correct MRI, whoa! Geez Rudy, there's a lil' chunk of bone stabbing into your spinal cord. No wonder your back hurts all the time.

    Go Blazers
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 10/09/2010 8:03 PM

    Those are coaches. I am really NOT liking watching  Chandler  in a Dallas uniform. What ever the problem is, lets fix it please.
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  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 10/09/2010 9:08 PM

    TayC -

    Posted 10/09/2010 1:08 PM

    How can you blame them?
    They cant make Oden heal faster. Its up to Oden and Pryz to stay off their leg when theyre told to. How many times has a doctor told you not to do something but you do it anyway?
    Dont play on that ankle! Oops!
    Its up to them and natural process of healing
    --

    Fact of the matter is they can prevent this type of injury if they simply know what the hell they are doing with the bigs ..

    After they get injured I agree they can not do anything other then wait it out .. but they CAN .. do preventative stuff to help prevent this type of injury from occurring to every OTHER big we have ..

    Thats a fact ..

    But please do not believe me .. just look at EVERY OTHER NBA TEAM'S Trainers .. and how are THEIR bigs .. doing .. This is most definitively a case of BAD TRAINERS .. pure an simple ..

    I can see perhaps having one or two bigs on your team that simply just have "Bad knees" .. but when it starts to spread across to absolutely EVERY big you have on your whole roster .. Then it can not be avoided its flat out the Trainers fault ..

    There is no if's and or buts about it .. Fire the whole damn lot of Trainers and get some one in there that knows what the hell a knee cap is ..

    Tobyus Sanchezo your absolutely nailed it buddy .. with the reference to how our Trainers handled Rudy's back injury ..

    FIRE OUR TRAINERS  !!!

    GET SOME KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN HERE ASAP !!!

    Tobyus Sanchezo
    I am a fan of rip city pdx 4 life.
  1. commontongue
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    Posted 10/09/2010 9:26 PM

    This has got to be THEE most insane post ever. Blaming the training staff for player injuries , is the equivalent of you blaming your lawyer for getting you life instead of the death penalty. Or better still, Blaming water for being wet. These guys go alllll through summerleague,play pick-up games, dunk every rebound they get, jump up and down to start every single game, and its the trainers who are at fault when these guys get hurt? That is absurdity at it's highest level.  I read about a bird called a Do-Do [pronounced Doe]Bird when i was a tike, that flew so beautifully and gracefully and couldnt land worth a damn. Each landing threatening to be their last. What? Do you blame the mother for giving it wings too? Trainers get these guys into peak shape. Running, exercising, lifting weights, cardio, things that the average joe wish they had access to. Its no more the trainers fault than it is the players. Thats why they're called accidents. At the slightest thing we look to lay blame on someone, and what does that accomplish? Bupkiss, nada, zilch,nathan. The solution is what we should be after.
    Although that we be quite a feat in itself. How do you teach a guy or girl not to bang knees in traffic. Or land on the foot of the person you just outjumped. Yes, quite difficult indeed. We cant go pointing fingers in the face of happenstance. That fender bender that was your fault, who'd you blame, your driving instructor from 1984? Come on peeps, keep it together. The season is upon us, we're antsy, itching for the season to start. Joel's doing full contact practices. We're going to be alright. As long as we dont panic.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. commontongue
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    Posted 10/09/2010 9:32 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 10/09/2010 9:26 PM
    This has got to be THEE most insane post ever. Blaming the training staff for player injuries , is the equivalent of you blaming your lawyer for getting you life instead of the death penalty. Or better still, Blaming water for being wet. These guys go alllll through summerleague,play pick-up games, dunk every rebound they get, jump up and down to start every single game, and its the trainers who are at fault when these guys get hurt? That is absurdity at it's highest level.  I read about a bird called a Do-Do [pronounced Doe]Bird when i was a tike, that flew so beautifully and gracefully and couldnt land worth a damn. Each landing threatening to be their last. What? Do you blame the mother for giving it wings too? Trainers get these guys into peak shape. Running, exercising, lifting weights, cardio, things that the average joe wish they had access to. Its no more the trainers fault than it is the players. Thats why they're called accidents. At the slightest thing we look to lay blame on someone, and what does that accomplish? Bupkiss, nada, zilch,nathan. The solution is what we should be after.
    Although that we be quite a feat in itself. How do you teach a guy or girl not to bang knees in traffic. Or land on the foot of the person you just outjumped. Yes, quite difficult indeed. We cant go pointing fingers in the face of happenstance. That fender bender that was your fault, who'd you blame, your driving instructor from 1984? Come on peeps, keep it together. The season is upon us, we're antsy, itching for the season to start. Joel's doing full contact practices. We're going to be alright. As long as we dont panic.

    That also applies to the vets teaching footwork. For example, not everyone is blessed with rhythm. No matter how hard the effort put in, it always seems a little awkward.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 10/09/2010 10:08 PM

    commontongue,

    Posted 10/09/2010 9:26 PM These guys go alllll through summerleague,play pick-up games, dunk every rebound they get, jump up and down to start every single game, and its the trainers who are at fault when these guys get hurt? That is absurdity at it's highest level.

    --

    Fact of the matter every team has trainers .. every team has bigs .. no other team has had this problem as Portland has ..

    It would be one thing as I said before if it were one or maby two bigs .. But to have it happen to nearly ALL your bigs ?

    Training is the key to being injury free .. strength trainers, stretches an what not .. (I admit I do not know as I am not a trainer what so ever) but the fact remains ..

    It is on their heads how the team gets hurt .. if its all in the knee's of all our bigs .. it does not take rocket science to understand .. hmm .. we just got a new big .. and now his knee's are for not (mod edit-please watch language) too .. after having two other bigs with nearly identical problems go down ?

    Get the #### outta here .. this is as clear cut a case of the trainers fault as it can blatently be ..

    FIRE THE TRAINERS !!
    I am a fan of rip city pdx 4 life.
  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 10/09/2010 10:15 PM

    One Big goes down to knee issues .. Understandable ..

    Two bigs goes down .. coincidental ?

    Three Bigs go down .. and the chances of that happening are soo astronomical its a better bet that a world destroying event happens ..

    You have got to at LEAST .. have the cognizance enough to do some type of formal investigation ..

    Why are other teams having GREAT success with thier bigs .. while every single big WE get .. appear's to be broken ..

    Yeah right .. whats more believe-able ..

    Every single big we get is injury prone for the past 3 years ..

    OR our Trainers are simply not doing their jobs ..

    You pick an live with what you believe, but for my bet .. its the trainers .. point blank ..
    I am a fan of rip city pdx 4 life.
  1. Quesocaliente
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    Posted 10/09/2010 11:05 PM

    This is a rough situation. I don't wanna say curse, but my goodness. It's getting a little eerie up in Rip City.

    People always need to find someone to blame for a tragedy. It's part of the psychological healing process. But we should give the guys in the trainers office some love too. As upset as I am that Jeff, Greg, and Joel are "out of order" I'd be willing to bet the trainers are more stressed about it. I'm a big fan, but it's not my job to do my best to keep those guys healthy. I'll bet they feel the heat and the rolling discontent among the fans. 

    Maybe there doesn't need to be wholesale sacking, but lets at least triple check our methods and make sure that the players and the trainers are doing everything they can to quicken recovery and prevent further injury. 

    What do you think Mr. Allen?
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 10/10/2010 1:35 AM

    Let's look at the individual situations that were the cause of the knee injuries. With joel no trainer could have prevented that injury no matter what they believed about knee health. DO you remember how his leg bent back under him with all his weight concentrated on the knee and leg - no trainer could have stopped this injury!!! It is the way the cookie crumbles in this situation. This is an example of all the wrong things happening at the right time. JP and Oden have their own particular circumstances that brought about the NECESSITY of the knee injuries they suffered. These NECESSITIES are based in weigh, torque, weight distribution, strength of tendon, density of bone, pressure on the machine, looseness of the muscles, hydration etc. Point is, the trainers are only human and can't predict lurking veritables. You could have a unseen problem and given the right set of circumstances it manifests itself, and it is nobodies fault it is just normal wear and tear on a machine (Knee). The example about rudy is a human mistake, doctors make judgment calls and because they are human they make mistakes. I agree with commontongue, lets not start blaming just to blame simply because it helps us deal with the unknown causation - this does more harm than good, since it might not be the right reason for the trouble. Cooler heads should prevail here and I think they will. Still maybe every player should get an MRI before every game and every practice just to make sure they are in tip top shape and there aren't any lurking veritables that will cause anther blown out knee and season!!!!!
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 10/10/2010 3:20 PM

    Posted By Lenwen76 on 10/09/2010 10:15 PM
    One Big goes down to knee issues .. Understandable ..

    Two bigs goes down .. coincidental ?

    Three Bigs go down .. and the chances of that happening are soo astronomical its a better bet that a world destroying event happens ..

    You have got to at LEAST .. have the cognizance enough to do some type of formal investigation ..

    Why are other teams having GREAT success with thier bigs .. while every single big WE get .. appear's to be broken ..

    Yeah right .. whats more believe-able ..

    Every single big we get is injury prone for the past 3 years ..

    OR our Trainers are simply not doing their jobs ..

    You pick an live with what you believe, but for my bet .. its the trainers .. point blank ..

    Yeah the Cub fans also blame the goat for not winning. There's no way in their minds that their team could possibly SUCK!
    I agree with Common. 
    Like Len, do you think the current Chicago white sox team is blaming their trainers for finishing the year with 6 guys out for the season?
    Its the BIGS own fault. Oden gets told that he's knee, for lack of a better word, is F***ed! So its up to him to do everything he possibly can to let that heal, so dont go to the club, or sit laying down with your knee up, not with your knee bent. Like how many times does the Doctor say, "Stop Smoking" and youre like "okay", and as soon as you hit the parking lot you''l light one up. Were all only Human.
    We knew what we were going after when we signed that CLunker of a beast, Camby. He's relatively seasoned. Oden has been injury prone since he left HS!!! Yet we still decided to draft him. So if that narrows it down to Pryzbilla, could he maybe be the one injured big who naturally got injured? 
    ITs not like there is mysterious answer to this question. Guys are not taking as good of care of themselves as they should be, players for their own reasons choose to skip stretches or go to a club or any kind of personal decision like that, they have a right to do so. Because they play for your team, does not mean you own their life in its entirety, its up to players like oden to ask themselves whats more important, having a good time now, or not resting his knee, or helping his team out next season?
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 10/10/2010 3:22 PM

    The only problem is they are 3 knee injuries, but they are all different knee injuries. Greg's was a broken patella. Joel's was a ruptured patella tendon. Pendy's is a torn ACL. Greg and Joel's are real similiar, but jeff's is different. If they were all the exact same thing it would be really weird and should be looked at more intently. But for now they should definitely look into anything that may be caausing it, but it is most likely coincidence. BDAWG, as for Camby not having a problem yet because he is the newest, why didn't Joel go down first then? He's been here the longest.

    Also for Oden, I remember when Amare came back from microfracture surgery and then had pain in both his knees because he was overcompensating for the weaker knee. So he sat out to rehab longer. I wonder if Greg wasn't properly rehabbed to 100% and his left knee was overcompensating and somehow caused his kneecap to become weaker, especially after it was chipped. Or maybe I am overthinking about it! Maybe we should just fuse Oden's bones with adamantium.
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