Should Brandon Roy play PG or SG?
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 08/31/2010 6:58 PM

    Brandon Roy, often referred to as the Blazers' primary "swingman," can play point guard and shooting guard.  But which position is better suited for him?

    The case for PG:  More touches, more freedom.  Roy is the one who you want bringing the ball up the court in the fourth quarter of a close game, so why can't he do it for the majority of a game?  He's one of the league's top five in creating their own shot off the dribble.  Plus, he's a smart passer.  His high basketball IQ would result in few turnovers.  Andre Miller has a high b-ball IQ, but he tends to turn it over quite a bit.  This is just because of his up-tempo style.  Brandon at the point with his conservative play would definitely limit turnovers.

    The case for SG:  This is Brandon's natural position.  He still gets a lot of freedom at the two spot, while Andre is remains free to run the court.  Also, defense is a major issue.  The more Roy played PG, the more often he'd have to guard to other teams' PG (most likely).  Roy's not exactly the quickest guard out on the court, nor the best defender (he is fairly decent when he tries, however).  It'd be much easier for him to guard a two on the defensive end of the court. 

    I personally think that he should play more two than the one, like he already does, but Nate should allow him a little more time at the PG;  perhaps this means he should play PG more in the third quarter.  This way, no one else on the team besides Andre and Roy would have to take it up, and those are the only two I trust to do it for the team on a regular basis.

    What are your thoughts, fellow fans?
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  1. Shawn503
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    Posted 08/31/2010 7:47 PM

    He could play point guard on the offensive side and still guard the other teams 2 guard. If Roy did start out at the point then Wesley Mathews would start at shooting guard. That would work fine offensively and on the defensive side of the ball, Mathews could guard whichever of the opposing players (PG or SG) is better and Roy could guard the other player.  
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 08/31/2010 8:44 PM

    my biggest issue with roy at the point is in the playoffs against huston roy was the only one who could get his own shot. so we brought in miller.. who showed he can get his shot. or they just give him the 16-19 foot jumper because they dont think he can make it. was to free up roy.

    with the line up of
    roy
    mathews
    batum
    LA
    oden

    it relys on batum comming into form and being able to take the next step next year as being able to get, take, AND make his own shot.

    LA can create a double team we've seen it before but in the playoffs against good teams they're rotation is better so kicking it and swinging it isn't going to work as well as it does against teams like... the nets... or the grizz.
    you can say throw it down to oden because hes sopposed to be the big thing. but there is a possibility that oden gets hurt. so that option goes out the door.

    so who becides roy in the lineup alot of people want to see can get take and make their own shot?
    roy
    mathews
    batum
    LA
    oden

    being realistic roy is the only one. he is our best player and should make his teamates better with passing yes... but havn't 3 guys infront of you like we saw against huston in the playoffs.. a defensive team.
    we all saw what happened. roy got 40 or something and we still lost because it was all on his shoulders.
    yes outlaw went ice cold in the playoffs but.....

    this all goes away if batum can consistantly take his own shot and make it...

    or if oden can stay healthy and get back to the level he was at before his knee injury.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/31/2010 8:57 PM

    Good post!  Great topic for discussion.

    I agree.  I would MUCH rather have Roy at the 2.  If he's on the floor playing the point, Dre is sitting.  AM is only effective when the ball runs thru him, largely due to his inability to shoot.  This, ofcourse, was the reason for the conflict early last season.  I don't believe that Andre will be a Blazer much longer however, which makes this point a moot one.  Brandon needs to play OFF the ball, and expand his game in that very area.  He is this team's scorer, meaning that when he initiates, he seldom finishes...resulting in a loss in offensive production.  This team, currently without a proven shooter, can ill afford ANY loss in production.  In addition, many nights he will find himself defending the other teams best scorer.  Obviously a big responsibility defensively.  Why add to the drain on Roy, both mentally and physically, by making him responsible for the other four Blazers on the court at the other end as well, labeling him as the distributor and facilitator.  Occassionally...absolutely.  Situationally...yes.  Regularly/primarily...no.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 08/31/2010 11:18 PM

    my biggest problems with andre is he cant guard quicker PGs and he cant shoot 3s 
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  1. Posted 09/01/2010 8:56 AM

    Why would Brandon Roy play point guard? The third best shooting guard in the NBA! Kobe and dwayne CAN play point guard but they dont. Just about anybody in the NBA COULD play point, don't mean they should. Andre Miller is a great point guard and Brandon Roy is a great shooting guard so why not let them play where they are great!
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 09/01/2010 12:43 PM

    What is in the water in Portland ??
    Why does every player have to be labeled ??  No pg is ever as good as those involved in trade rumors ??
    Good grief,  the great pg debate is tired, and has been for how many years now ??

    I trust Roy no matter where he is, 1,2 or even 3.

     I personally think he should play where it gives the Blazers the advantage, depending on who we are playing against. I dont care  who starts where, or how other teams use a 9 man rotation. I dont care what the nba thinks teams are " supposed to do "
    Think outside the box.  Not everything has to be strictly black or white. 

     We have the depth to jump on teams right out of the gate now.  I dont care who actually brings the ball up court, as long as it results in points !!

    Please, dont tell me for the millionth time that the Blazers have too much talent either.
     Like coach K said about team USA, it is a marathon, not a sprint. I don't think coach K is concerned that he "has too much talent"........
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  1. blazers3030
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    Posted 09/01/2010 2:35 PM

    i would like to see Roy paired with another quick and aggressive driving guard where they could both be hybrid guards with emphasis on penetrating defenses and getting the ball to the rim, right next to Oden and Aldridge, or drive and dish to Batum or Mathews for 3.
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 09/01/2010 7:08 PM

    @blazers3030: see how potentially our team could make that next step and be deadly?  now if only CP3 would join our team... and hornets are dumb enough to let him go for a cheap price.
    just fantasizing, guys.  i know this talk is long dead.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 09/02/2010 2:42 PM

    85% shooting guard
    15% point guard

    You want him with the ball in his hands in the clutch, but bringing the ball up the court the entire game is going to tire him out. Learning to play better off the ball will cut down on the burden he has to carry offensively. Kobe didn't switch to point. Clyde stayed at the 2. Mike wasn't moving anywhere. Neither should Brandon.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/02/2010 2:52 PM

    If we're down or tied in the fourth, i need the ball in Brandon's hands. I trust him and thats the bottom line. Brandon is already in the category of those we've come to expect his shot to go in automatic. if it doesnt , he was either fouled or the rim moved. He is definitely a sg, with the ability to play the point for stretches when we need him to, but to make it his primary position would not only fatigue him, but make him more succeptible to injury.
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    Posted 09/02/2010 4:44 PM

    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/03/2010 4:32 PM

    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    But Tom you yourself once said that all star status really does mean nothing.
    well it cant mean something now, if it didnt then, come on bro.
    However i agree with you. Roy at the #2, the guy is 6'6 and unless your tradin for TMac or Joe Johnson, your not gonna get a taller guy.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/03/2010 4:42 PM

    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    What positions did Magic play in the all star games he was in?
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/03/2010 8:32 PM

    Magic played the Power Point position in the all star games, but we're talking apples vs oranges now. If only Bayless was a better pg, Miller could come off the bench and lead the black squad. He'd be the primary ball handler, and could run like he's used to. Although his veteran status may inflate his ego to the point where he feels above coming off the bench. It's really up to Bayless though. He and the other guards could come into pre-season and take the spot from Miller if they earn it.
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 09/04/2010 1:10 AM

    @Commontongue:  Bayless?  Starting over Andre Miller?  Puh-leeze!  If that was idea was proposed to Nate, he would check his Rolex to see if it was April 1st.  If Bayless suddenly became a player who would be able to legitimately beat out Andre Miller for a starting spot, that would take the most improvement that one player has ever undergone in four months in NBA HISTORY.
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    Posted 09/04/2010 3:14 AM

    Posted By TayC on 09/03/2010 4:32 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    But Tom you yourself once said that all star status really does mean nothing.
    well it cant mean something now, if it didnt then, come on bro.
    However i agree with you. Roy at the #2, the guy is 6'6 and unless your tradin for TMac or Joe Johnson, your not gonna get a taller guy.
    Geez what are you, the Message Board Standards and Adherence of Consistency in Self Abiding Proclamations enforcer?
    You are really reaching now. I don't remember exactly what I said but you need to read it in context. Brandon making the All Star team is legit. Allen Iverson making it last year was a joke. Besides I am just saying brandon is a top 3 sg, and would only be a top 20 pg... +- a few. The same thing to whoever asked what position Magic played in the All Star game. It is irrelevant what he played in the All Star games, it's what he did to get there, he was an amazing pg, maybe the greatest pg ever, who was good enough to play every position. But most of the time he played pg, and then other positions only when needed.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 09/04/2010 7:35 AM

    He should play his natural position, I think it is working pretty well so far.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/04/2010 5:50 PM

    Posted By TomL on 09/04/2010 3:14 AM
    Posted By TayC on 09/03/2010 4:32 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    But Tom you yourself once said that all star status really does mean nothing.
    well it cant mean something now, if it didnt then, come on bro.
    However i agree with you. Roy at the #2, the guy is 6'6 and unless your tradin for TMac or Joe Johnson, your not gonna get a taller guy.
    Geez what are you, the Message Board Standards and Adherence of Consistency in Self Abiding Proclamations enforcer?
    You are really reaching now. I don't remember exactly what I said but you need to read it in context. Brandon making the All Star team is legit. Allen Iverson making it last year was a joke. Besides I am just saying brandon is a top 3 sg, and would only be a top 20 pg... +- a few. The same thing to whoever asked what position Magic played in the All Star game. It is irrelevant what he played in the All Star games, it's what he did to get there, he was an amazing pg, maybe the greatest pg ever, who was good enough to play every position. But most of the time he played pg, and then other positions only when needed.

    HA.
    No i'm just the guy who means what he says, you must be the other guy?
    IDK man, your the one who thinks Andre Miller is a Top 10 PG and i can honestly say Brandon Roy would break him in half. 
    The whole Magic at PG is ridiculous, when him and Larry Bird were goin @ it on the point that was Crazy, you got a 6'9 and 6'10 PG. When Michael came into the league he played the point too, it was just a phase that some players went through.

    Like for anyone who knows Baseball, sometimes when players get older they move to 1st base, its like the opposite. But you put someone quick and big at the point these days like Hakim Warrick or Kevin Durant people would be calling them the next Magic too. 
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    Posted 09/04/2010 7:52 PM

    Posted By TayC on 09/04/2010 5:50 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/04/2010 3:14 AM
    Posted By TayC on 09/03/2010 4:32 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    But Tom you yourself once said that all star status really does mean nothing.
    well it cant mean something now, if it didnt then, come on bro.
    However i agree with you. Roy at the #2, the guy is 6'6 and unless your tradin for TMac or Joe Johnson, your not gonna get a taller guy.
    Geez what are you, the Message Board Standards and Adherence of Consistency in Self Abiding Proclamations enforcer?
    You are really reaching now. I don't remember exactly what I said but you need to read it in context. Brandon making the All Star team is legit. Allen Iverson making it last year was a joke. Besides I am just saying brandon is a top 3 sg, and would only be a top 20 pg... +- a few. The same thing to whoever asked what position Magic played in the All Star game. It is irrelevant what he played in the All Star games, it's what he did to get there, he was an amazing pg, maybe the greatest pg ever, who was good enough to play every position. But most of the time he played pg, and then other positions only when needed.

    HA.
    No i'm just the guy who means what he says, you must be the other guy?
    IDK man, your the one who thinks Andre Miller is a Top 10 PG and i can honestly say Brandon Roy would break him in half. 
    The whole Magic at PG is ridiculous, when him and Larry Bird were goin @ it on the point that was Crazy, you got a 6'9 and 6'10 PG. When Michael came into the league he played the point too, it was just a phase that some players went through.

    Like for anyone who knows Baseball, sometimes when players get older they move to 1st base, its like the opposite. But you put someone quick and big at the point these days like Hakim Warrick or Kevin Durant people would be calling them the next Magic too. 
    You must really lack comprehension. I mean what I say, you just can't read. I never said Dre was a top ten pg right now! I said when he led the league in assists he was a top ten pg, that was many years ago.  And Brandon would break him in half as a pg?!?! Yes, in a one on one match I think Brandon would scorch Andre, but that's a no brainer. I think Andre would run a team the whole game much better than Brandon could. How many alley oop passes did you see Roy make last year? How many did Andre do? I don't remember Roy doing any though I'm sure he had a couple, but I can't even count how many Andre had because he did it so often. Andre has better court vision and is a better passer and knows when and where to give his teammates the ball. That's why we have Andre playing pg and Brandon at sg!! You make no sense at all.

    Magic Johnson was a pg, Larry Bird was a forward and Jordan was mostly a sg or sometimes a sf, except for a few possessions he would have pg duties but that doesn't make him a pg! And putting Durant at pg would be stupid and no one would call him the next Magic. Magic had amazing court vision and could deliver the pass at the right time to the right person, I hardly think Durant has shown any of those skills on a level even close to Magic, Durant is a scorer not a facilitator. That is moronic to compare those two guys like that. In fact you seem to not even know the difference between a pg, sg and a sf.

    You must like showing how little you know about basketball over and over again.
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 09/04/2010 9:31 PM

    @TomL:  Dude, why are you so harsh to TayC?  It's kinda funny how you guys are arguing over this topic.  LOL!
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/05/2010 8:35 PM

    Posted By TomL on 09/04/2010 7:52 PM
    Posted By TayC on 09/04/2010 5:50 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/04/2010 3:14 AM
    Posted By TayC on 09/03/2010 4:32 PM
    Posted By TomL on 09/02/2010 4:44 PM
    I think the question is ludicrous. Brandon Roy at SG = 3 time All Star and counting. Brandon at PG = 0 All Star appearances. Brandon would not compare to the elite pg's in this league, but as a sg he is easily ranked at 3rd. Some people need to wake up!
    After switches I've seen Brandon guard centers in games at times. Maybe he should play center too.

    But Tom you yourself once said that all star status really does mean nothing.
    well it cant mean something now, if it didnt then, come on bro.
    However i agree with you. Roy at the #2, the guy is 6'6 and unless your tradin for TMac or Joe Johnson, your not gonna get a taller guy.
    Geez what are you, the Message Board Standards and Adherence of Consistency in Self Abiding Proclamations enforcer?
    You are really reaching now. I don't remember exactly what I said but you need to read it in context. Brandon making the All Star team is legit. Allen Iverson making it last year was a joke. Besides I am just saying brandon is a top 3 sg, and would only be a top 20 pg... +- a few. The same thing to whoever asked what position Magic played in the All Star game. It is irrelevant what he played in the All Star games, it's what he did to get there, he was an amazing pg, maybe the greatest pg ever, who was good enough to play every position. But most of the time he played pg, and then other positions only when needed.

    HA.
    No i'm just the guy who means what he says, you must be the other guy?
    IDK man, your the one who thinks Andre Miller is a Top 10 PG and i can honestly say Brandon Roy would break him in half. 
    The whole Magic at PG is ridiculous, when him and Larry Bird were goin @ it on the point that was Crazy, you got a 6'9 and 6'10 PG. When Michael came into the league he played the point too, it was just a phase that some players went through.

    Like for anyone who knows Baseball, sometimes when players get older they move to 1st base, its like the opposite. But you put someone quick and big at the point these days like Hakim Warrick or Kevin Durant people would be calling them the next Magic too. 
    You must really lack comprehension. I mean what I say, you just can't read. I never said Dre was a top ten pg right now! I said when he led the league in assists he was a top ten pg, that was many years ago.  And Brandon would break him in half as a pg?!?! Yes, in a one on one match I think Brandon would scorch Andre, but that's a no brainer. I think Andre would run a team the whole game much better than Brandon could. How many alley oop passes did you see Roy make last year? How many did Andre do? I don't remember Roy doing any though I'm sure he had a couple, but I can't even count how many Andre had because he did it so often. Andre has better court vision and is a better passer and knows when and where to give his teammates the ball. That's why we have Andre playing pg and Brandon at sg!! You make no sense at all.

    Magic Johnson was a pg, Larry Bird was a forward and Jordan was mostly a sg or sometimes a sf, except for a few possessions he would have pg duties but that doesn't make him a pg! And putting Durant at pg would be stupid and no one would call him the next Magic. Magic had amazing court vision and could deliver the pass at the right time to the right person, I hardly think Durant has shown any of those skills on a level even close to Magic, Durant is a scorer not a facilitator. That is moronic to compare those two guys like that. In fact you seem to not even know the difference between a pg, sg and a sf.

    You must like showing how little you know about basketball over and over again.
    Funny how i dont feel that way, seeing as how i am being told i know nothing about basketball by some guy sitting on his computer, yeah if you figure that one out please.....do tell.

    However Tom, you are a little mistaken on your history report. Magic and Larry Bird Both played PG, and you know what else.... THEY BOTH PLAYED PF.
    OmGSHHHSHS!!!??
    Magic more than bird decided to play the point, but none the less, these guys were like spitting images of each other, NCAA championship against one another, rookie year both end up playing eachother in the FINALS, both playing point, both playing power forward, either on or the other appeared in every final during the 80's. Binded by the universe. 
    YOur andre miller RANT, is in the wrong place, because i do recall talking about how a pg with all star appearances would be more beneficial to the team than andre, and you tore that to shreds, but here you are talking about why roy shouldnt play the pg because he has never been an all star as one of them.
    Honestly i dont see the difference.

    What i had said "Hakim Warrick and LeBron James" Then would you have bit your tounge? Because to me, your painting this wonderful masterpiece for me, and it just shouts that YOU, not me, YOU sir, no nothing about ballin. SO im good on all this mess, but please stop trying to say that i am
    Stupid or i know nothing of basketball, because if you'd shutup for just a second you'd see that alot of us actually do know a bit about the game.
    And the whole "i'm Illiterate, or that i lack comprehension" you gotta cut that mess out, because really all it does is show that you lack the intelligence required to have a decent argument without the technique of insulting.
    god....your like my son.


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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 09/06/2010 2:26 AM

    Hey you two should meet and have a couple of beers and chill out on each other. Go blazers...
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    Posted 09/08/2010 3:09 AM

    Tayc, you say I lack intelligence because I use insults, then immediately after saying that you leave an insult. Smart. You are obviously not illiterate, but you either have a really poor memory or really low reading comprehension. Learn how to read! That is not an insult! It is a suggestion so I don't have to waste time explaining what I have already said or defending something I never said! I never said anything like "Brandon should not play pg because he's never made the All Star team as a pg". I said Brandon playing as a sg has resulted in him being a 3 time All Star, and IF, hypothetically speaking, he had been playing strictly PG all this time he would not make the All Star team, meaning he would not be a top ten pg in this league, meaning he should focus on playing SG!!!! Once again you are not reading what I wrote and you are twisting what I meant!! That is why I say you are illiterate! You didn't understand what I said! Again! Also your bad grammar and typos are so common, it is annoying two figure out what ewe no inn all yore posts bee cause ewe use the wrong words over and overhaul the thyme. But it was funny when you were at your grand finale epic insult line to me... you used the wrong word. I bet YOUR kid has better grammar than what YOU'RE showing us here.

    Aaaaand once again I never said Magic or Bird didn't play all those positions, but Magic was listed as a point and Bird as a forward. Just like Brandon is listed as a sg, which he is, but he also plays sf and has pg duties at times! Why is that hard to understand?

    You also say silly things all the time which would be great in 2k or Live but in the real world of the NBA it just doesn't work like that. It seems like you know your basketball from playing video games, and that is why I say you don't know anything about basketball.

    Posted By FamousRoy on 09/04/2010 9:31 PM
    @TomL:  Dude, why are you so harsh to TayC?  It's kinda funny how you guys are arguing over this topic.  LOL!

    Because he keeps following me around and trying to point out everything I say is somehow incorrect or it contradicts something I have already said. He keeps misquoting me and it is frustrating. I know I should let it go. I'll try from now on.
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    Posted 09/08/2010 3:28 AM

    OK... Tayc I just figured out why you think I said that, and it IS because you can't read or have a bad memory. dhawes said allstars mean nothing in a reply to you and me, but you must think I said it, AND in fact two posts later I said it DID mean something! It's in the "Where Does Andre Rank Among The League's Best Point Guards?" thread.

    Posted By TayC on 08/20/2010 5:36 PM
    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/19/2010 10:17 AM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 8:01 PM
    Posted By TomL on 08/18/2010 6:04 PM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 5:28 PM
    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
    Andre definitely was in the top 10 when he led the league in assists! I think you are "aroniosly" erroneous there.

    I would put Andre somewhere between 11th and 13th. What's funny if he had a consistent 3 pointer in his arsenal, everyone would easily rank him in the top 10 now and always in the top 5 in the league for most of his career, just because people associate the 3 ball to being a great player.

    haha, my bad, i typed it in google and it came up Aronious.

    Idk about that, you still got Jason Kid, Steve Nash, Gary Peyton if you want to go back then.
     And its not that "if he had a 3 pointer he'd be in the top 10", if he could shoot, he'd be in the top 10 MAYBE.
    You see its like Rondo, Rondo, cannot shoot the ball, i dont care what anyone tries to tell me i have seen it enough times for myself, where  he cant hit a uncovered 13 footer, but you see like Miller, he is  a scorer, attack s the rim. But he lacks in the steal department, and he can only get higher in the age department.
    Theyre are alot of great, all star type gaurds out there, and Andre isnt one of them.



    No really, he's never been an allstar
    Jamaal Magloire, Wally Szczerbiak, & Dale Davis were all All-Stars, does that make them better ball players than Andre? Shoot, Deron Williams just NOW made his first All-Star game and he's widely considered a top 10 player overall in the NBA. All-Stars mean nothing.

    Idk about that, meaning nothing and all, it definitely says alot about their game, seeing as how the coaches and players vote them on, and i'd like to think they know more about basketball then a bunch of cats talking about it  on the computer. I did not know that Deron just became an all star, but honestly that validates my point trying to be made, of how many elite PG's there are right now, and how andre's just not one of them.
    Then i responded...
    Posted By TomL on 08/20/2010 8:52 PM
    I think it definitely means something to be an All Star, but every year there are one or more players who probably shouldn't be there but they were on a winning team or they whine and complain (Mo Williams) or they are popular with the fans in China and somehow they end up there. And every year someone that should be on it doesn't make it.

    I am a fan of comcast and the blazers making deals that keep screwing us over!! woot!
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