Marcus Camby.
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  1. Brandon Weinant
    Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 08/09/2010 8:45 AM

    (apologies for any gramatical or spelling errors I made.)

    Alright so I've been reading recently on here that some people believe Marcus Camby is NOT injury prone.
    Lets discuss.
    (oh i love marcus camby.)

    Now Marcus Camby has had injury problems threw his entire career.
    (as have most people that have a human body)
    So lets not say he is the starter because hes immune to injury...
    Who's to say history wont repeat itself with him and get another injury?
    Players have injurys its part of the game.
    You play the best player, with the best people, to best take advantage of the talent on your sports team.
    I agree 100% with one of the moderators on here.
    They said. (worried about Camby wearing down threw the full season getting 35mins a night)
    I however will take that a step further. Being that I've watched Camby play from the time I got old enough to care about basketball... Injury problems have been a big issue with him. Everywhere hes been hes had some sort of injury or some reason to cause him to miss time.
    (even as a Blazer)

    Heres proof backing up my injury concern.

    First, I'll post the link to where I found some of the injury and other information on Marcus Camby.
    (all credit for the following statistical information belongs to the writers and whomever else may deem they deserve credit.)

    1996-97 (Toronto): Averaged a career-high 14.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, 2.06 blocks (10th in NBA) and 30.1 minutes in 63 games (38 starts)…named to NBA All-Rookie First Team…Schick NBA Rookie of the Month for March…had 17 20+ scoring games…had 18 points and 12 rebounds in Schick Rookie Game at Cleveland All-Star Weekend…3/23/97 vs. Atlanta, scored a career-high 37 points (15-28 FG)…missed a total of 19 games due to injury, including 14 due to lower back strain…

    Games Missed due to injury - 19 in 96-97 season.(rookie)

    1997-98 (Toronto): Averaged 12.1 points, 7.4 rebounds, 3.65 blocks (1st in NBA) and 31.8 minutes in 63 games (58 starts)…had career-high 11 blocks on 4/14/98 vs. Nets…notched nine 20+ scoring games and 13 double-doubles…missed a total of 18 games due to injury, including six straight (11/24-12/5) with tendinitis in both knees and five straight (12/31-1/7) with strained abdominal muscle…served NBA suspension in 3/29 contest vs. Magic

    Games Missed due to injury - 18 in 97-98 season.(1 year experience)

    1998-99 (New York): Averaged 7.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 1.61 blocks and 20.5 minutes in 46 games played…recorded four double-doubles, seven double-figure rebound games and 13 double-figure point games…PLAYOFFS: Over 20 post-season games (three starts), averaged 10.4 points, 7.7 rebounds, 1.90 blocks, 1.20 steals and 25.5 minutes per game…had three 20+ scoring games, seven double-figure rebound games and five double-doubles…averaged 14.3 points, 10.7 rebounds, 3.00 blocks, 2.17 steals and 31.3 minutes in the Eastern Conference Finals…established Knicks Playoff records for steals (13) and blocks (18) in a six-game series…averaged 9.6 points and 7.8 rebounds in five games (three starts) vs. Spurs in the NBA Finals…

    Games played - 48 in 1998-1999 season.(2 years experience)
    (the link I posted does not say why he missed the games)

    1999-00 (New York): Averaged 10.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.97 blocks (10th in NBA) and 26.2 minutes in 59 games (11 starts)…notched five 20+ scoring games (season-high 23 pts, twice), 17 10+ rebound games and 14 double-doubles…missed a total of 23 games due to injury, including 17 in mid-season with mild strain of the anterior cruciate ligament, right knee…on the injured list from 2/9-3/14…also missed three games in November with tendinitis, left knee, and one game with sprained left ankle…finished regular season on injured list from 4/18-19 (sprained capsule, right knee) missing the season’s last two games…PLAYOFFS: Came off the bench in all 16 post-season games, averaging 4.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 1.44 blocks over 24.1 minutes per game…led the Knicks in rebounds six times, had four double-figure rebound games and one double-double…


    Games Missed due to injury - 23 in 1999-2000 season.(3 years experience)

    2000-01 (New York): Averaged 12.0 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.16 blocks (11th in the NBA) and 33.8 minutes in 63 games (63 starts)…shot a team-high .524 (304-580) from the field…finished third in the NBA in FG% (.524)…had 42 double-figure rebound games, including 12-straight from 2/16-3/11 (14.8 rpg)…recorded 25 double-doubles…had two 20+ rebound games and one 20/20 game…notched 10 20+ scoring games…suspended by NBA for five games for an altercation…suffered a left hip contusion in game’s first minute at Indiana, 4/11, and missed the regular season’s last four games…missed a total of 12 games due to injury/illness…suffered sprained left ankle on 11/17 at Phoenix…not w/team on 11/19 vs. Golden State, and was a DNP-CD in next two games…on 12/21 vs. Boston, suffered strained left groin and did not dress for next four games…missed two games in early March w/back spasms; 3/23 game vs. New Jersey w/upper respiratory infection…PLAYOFFS: Averaged 6.3 points, 8.0 rebounds and 2.25 blocks in 35.3 minutes per game in four games (all starts) vs. Toronto…

    Games Missed due to injury - 12 in 2000-2001 season (4 years experience)

    2001-02 (New York): Missed the remainder of the season after suffering a right hip injury (torn iliopsoas and bone contusion) on 2/1/02 at Indiana… prior to injury, appeared in 29 games (29 starts) and averaged 11.1 points, 11.1 rebounds, 1.72 blocks and shot .448 (130-290) over 34.7 minutes per game…led New York in rebounds in 19 of his 29 games, also led in scoring twice…recorded 16 double-figure rebound games, 10 double-doubles and four 20+ scoring games…had three 20+ rebound games…missed a total of 53 games due to injury…opened the season on the injured list due to left plantar fascitis and missed the first 14 games…did not dress vs. Toronto on 12/25 due to sesamoiditis in his left big toe…

    Games Missed due to injury - 53 in 2001-2002 season (5 years experience)

    2002-03 (Denver): Averaged 7.6 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.38 blocks in 29 games (Nine starts)…games played tied his career low set in ’01-02…scored in double-figures 11 times…grabbed at least 10 rebounds six times and posted five double-doubles…missed 52 games due to injury or illness (38 after hip surgery, 12 due to a sprained ankle, one due to a sore right hip and one due to the flu)…sat out two games (2/16 and 2/19) – the second half of back-to-backs – as a precaution…missed 12 games (1/20-2/6; 2/16 and 2/19) due to a sprained right ankle…was activated from the injured list on 1/17 after missing the first 38 games of the season…was placed on the injured list on 10/28 after having successful surgery on his right hip on 10/10…

    Games Missed due to injury/illness - 52 in 2002-2003 season (6 years experience)

    2003-04 (Denver): Averaged 8.6 points, 10.1 rebounds (10th in the NBA), 2.60 blocks (5th in the NBA), 1.19 steals and 30.0 minutes in 72 games (72 starts)…posted a team-high 19 double-doubles…scored in double-figures 29 times including three games of 20+…recorded 39 double-digit rebounding games, including four with 20 or more… 1/28/04 vs. Chicago, recorded a then-career-high 24 rebounds…missed eight games due to injury and had two DNP-CDs…PLAYOFFS: Averaged 12.6 points, 11.4 rebounds, 1.40 blocks and 2.4 assists in 38.8 minutes played in five games…recorded three double-doubles…tied a career-playoff high with 21 points (10-15 FG) and grabbed 15 rebounds in 42 minutes in Game 5 vs. Minnesota…

    Games Missed due to injury - 8 in 2003-2004 season (7 years experience)

    2004-05 (Denver): Averaged 10.3 points, 10.0 rebounds, 3.02 blocks (2nd in the NBA) and 30.5 minutes in 66 games (66 starts)…named to the NBA’s All-Defensive Second Team…ranked eighth in rebounds per 48 minutes (15.7) and seventh in defensive rebounds per game (8.0)…scored in double-figures 32 times, with four games of 20+…recorded 36 double-digit rebound games, including two with 20+…registered a team-high 23 double-doubles…named NBA Western Conference Player of the Week on 3/7/05 after averaging 14.0 ppg, 15.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, 4.33 bpg and 1.33 spg…1/18/04 at Seattle, tallied a season-high 25 points and tied a then-career high with 24 rebounds in a season-high 48 minutes…1/28/05 vs. Chicago, pulled down had 24 boards…3/3/05 vs. Indiana, recorded 17 points, 22 rebounds, seven blocked shots and seven assists…PLAYOFFS: Averaged 10.2 points, 11.2 rebounds, 3.20 blocks and 36.8 minutes in five games…posted two double-doubles and grabbed at least 10 boards in four games …

    Games Played - 66 in 2004-2005 season (8 years experience)
    (the link I posted does not say why he missed the games)

    2005-06 (Denver): Averaged 12.8 points, 11.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists, a career-high 1.41 steals and a league-leading 3.29 blocks in 56 games (54 starts)…fifth-highest rebounding average and fifth-highest blocks average in Nuggets’ history…led the Nuggets in rebounding, blocks and steals…earned NBA All-Defensive Second Team honors for the second-consecutive season…named Western Conference Player of the Week for the week ending 11/13, averaging 19.3 points, 16.6 rebounds and 5.00 blocks per game…second time in his career that he’s won that honor (also for the week ending 3/7/05)…had a team-high 30 double-doubles…pulled down at least 10 rebounds 39 times, 15 or more 16 times and 20 or more five times…11/20/05 vs. Memphis, tallied 21 points and 21 boards…12/2/05 at Phoenix, recorded his eighth-straight double-double with a season-high 33 points, 20 rebounds, three blocked shots and three steals…PLAYOFFS: Averaged 11.4 points, 11.0 rebounds, 2.80 blocks and 25.0 minutes in five games vs. the Clippers…had two double-doubles and grabbed at least 10 rebounds in four games…

    Games Played - 56 in 2005-2006 season (9 years experience)
    (the link I posted does not say why he missed the games)

    2006-07 (Denver): Averaged 11.2 points, 11.7 rebounds (5th in the NBA), 3.2 assists, 1.24 steals and a league-leading 3.30 blocks in 70 games (70 starts)…named the NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year for the first time in his career…named to the All-NBA First Team for the first time in his career…captured his third blocked shots title, becoming one of only six players in NBA history to win at least three…grabbed 15 or more rebounds 18 times, blocked five or more shots 20 times, handed out five or more assists 14 times and made four or more steals five times…pulled down 20+ rebounds four times…blocked 23 shots in a three-game span between 4/9-4/13 (7, 7 and a season-high 9 at New Orleans/Oklahoma City) becoming the first player to block at least seven shots in three-straight games since he himself did it in ‘97-98…1/19/07 vs. Cleveland, scored a season-high 26 points and made a season-high 12 field goals…1/20/07 at Houston, collected 22 rebounds in a season-high 44 minutes…4/3/07 at Lakers, collected his sixth career 20/20 game with 21 points and 20 rebounds...PLAYOFFS: Averaged 7.6 points, 14.8 rebounds and 3.20 blocks in 36.8 minutes in all five games vs. San Antonio…grabbed a career-playoff-high 19 rebounds in Game 5…had 18 boards in Game 2…

    Games Played - 70 in 2006-2007 season. (10 years experience)
    (the link I posted doesnt say why he missed the games)

    2007-08 (Denver): Averaged 9.1 points, a career-high 13.1 rebounds (2nd in the NBA), a career-high 3.3 assists, 3.61 blocks (1st in the NBA) and a career-high 34.9 minutes in a career-high 79 games (79 starts)…ranked first in the NBA in blocks (3.61) for the third-straight season and fourth time overall…joins Dikembe Mutombo (1993-96) as the only players to lead the league in three-consecutive seasons…four blocked shot titles tie him with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Mark Eaton for the most all-time…ranked first in rebounds per 48 minutes (18.0) and second in rebounds (13.1)…his 13.1 rpg set a new Nuggets record for the highest single season rebounding average – surpassing the 13.0 rpg posted by Dikembe Mutombo in 1992-93…set a Nuggets record for defensive rebounds in a season with 807 (previous record was 726 by Mutombo in 1992-93), while his 1,037 total rebounds stand as the second-most in a season in Nuggets’ history as well (behind only Mutombo’s 1,070 in 1992-93)…recorded 30 double-doubles, with the Nuggets posting a record of 22-8 in those games…his nine 20-rebound performances in 2007-08 were a new single-season career best (now has 29 for his career)…notched two triple-doubles (one with pts/rebs/blks and one with pts/rebs/asts), becoming just the fifth player in Nuggets history to record multiple triple-doubles in a season – the first since Mark Jackson in 1996-97 (2)…12/26/07 vs. Milwaukee, recorded his third career triple-double with 10 points, 11 rebounds, 10 blocked shots and five assists in 30 minutes…1/14/08 at Charlotte, registered his seventh career 20/20 game with a season-high 20 points and 23 rebounds…1/17/08 vs. Utah, tied career-highs with 24 rebounds (4th time) and 11 blocks (2nd time), becoming just the third player in NBA history to record at least 24 boards and 11 blocks in the same game, joining Shaquille O’Neal (11/20/93) and Elvin Hayes (3/3/78)…1/23/08 vs. Atlanta, grabbed 21 rebounds (including a career-high 20 defensive boards)…1/25/08 vs. New Jersey, blocked his 1,000th shot as a Nugget becoming only the second player in team history to do so…3/16/08 vs. Seattle, registered his second triple-double of the season with 13 points, 15 rebounds and 10 assists…3/24/08 at Memphis, pulled down his 4,000th rebound as a Nugget…4/5/08 vs. Sacramento, dished out a career-high 11 assists…missed two games (2/2-2/4) due to a left knee contusion and one game (12/21) due to a mid-back contusion…PLAYOFFS: Averaged 3.3 points, 13.3 rebounds, 3.0 blocks and 31.0 minutes in four playoff games…

    Games Played - 79 in 2007-2008 season (11 years experience)
    Games Missed due to injury - 2 in 2007-2008 season.

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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 08/09/2010 8:46 AM

    double post -.- oopsy.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/09/2010 4:56 PM

    Nice post!  Way to bring the information!  Many thoughts on Marcus.  I'll start by saying that I agree with both what I believe is your opinion with regard to his PT, AND with DHawes.  As I expressed in my post, my take on the Oden/Camby situation was simple.  Give  Greg the OPPORTUNITY to EARN the starting spot in camp and preseason.  Assuming that he arrives in shape and ready to rock, I think you've gotta give him that starting role.  That being said, I've also gone on record as saying that Camby will likely play more least early on in the season, for a variety of reasons, with GO starting.  As the season wears on, I forsee Greg's minutes going up, as he gains confidence and learns to manage fouls better.  His ceiling is off the charts.  With this, will come a steadily DECREASING minutes-per-game scenario for Marcus.  IMO, this is ideal.  First, it shows Greg that he IS the man and that the coaching staff has confidence in him (psychologically essential), AND the team can better gel as the season progresses, having that consistent rotation...something that was impossible last year.  Second, it would likely mean a fresh Marcus for the playoffs, the importance of which I believe cannot be overstated.  Camby is VERY important to this team.

    Here's another thought I haven't heard or seen anyone bring up yet.  Speculatively speaking ofcourse, I wonder what the possibilities are that KP made some promises to MC, likely the night he first informed him of the trade...while Camby was enjoying dinner with his Clipper teammates at a Portland restaurant.  Remember the emotional outburst that followed?  Reportedly, Marcus got up from the table and left without saying a word to anyone.  We would later be told that the reason behind his reaction was more having to do with the fact that he is a guy that bonds closely with his teammates and is very loyal.  Hearing that he had been dealt from his NEW team's GM first, and not his own agent or current team I'm sure didn't sit well with him.  My point is...KP is gone, and with him, whatever promises may have been made to MC.  I can only hope that although this IS a business, if something was said to Marcus Camby at that time, that it be honored now by Cho and that he not be included in any talks.  Ofcourse, I am not aware of the details of his new contract with the Blazers.  It is possible that some kind of trade clause was contained therein.

    One last point with regard to your post.  Many league "experts" have claimed that BECAUSE of the many games Camby has missed over the course of his career, and the consistent nature, he may have actually elongated his career.  Ironic, isn't it.  I agree with this theory in THIS case and believe that, if used properly, MC will be here long enough to help this team win a championship.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 08/09/2010 5:27 PM

    ya look at Grant Hill, he's playing like he's 5 years younger than he is because he was so injury prone in detroit.

    I don't see Camby leaving during his current contract, he's too valuable of a big man for us to let him go, thank the clipps for being the worst personnel managers of all time, can't wait till we take Blake Griffin off their hands too.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/09/2010 9:06 PM

    Good post Brandon almost info overload! Speculation here on my part. What if the Blazers stand pat this season with what they have? 2 seasons ago I would have said that Joel would have been a no brainer to trade.
    But the last 2 seasons he stepped up his game incredibly. So with that being said would it be more likely that Marcus gets moved to the PF/C position. LA has a back up that is reliable and Oden and Joel have a back up when Greg gets into foul trouble,and we know he will, we also have the security of having 3 centers that everyone in the NBA should be afraid of. Send Rudy to the Farms and see if he wants to play there and I believe that takes care of our 15 man roster?
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/11/2010 9:03 PM

    My arguement to this is,

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