Andre Miller... Does he really need to go?
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  1. Blazingdownunder
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    Posted 08/03/2010 5:34 AM

    When Andre Miller was signed last year, did everyone think he was the long term solution the Blazers needed at the point?

    Is it possible for the ball dominant guard to co-exist this season with B-Roy, L.A and hopefully a healthy Greg Oden?

    What are everyone's trade proposals if you think we need a long term solution at point?

    These are some on the questions i hope the Portland faithful can answer...

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  1. kolbe055
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    Posted 08/03/2010 8:47 AM

    Yes, absolutely trade him. I say put Andre, Roy, Batum and Aldridge in a bundle for Allen Iverson. We do that and i see a 70 win season coming up.
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  1. GuitarJ111
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    Posted 08/03/2010 9:03 AM

    HAHA.. that was a good one. ;)
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 08/03/2010 10:38 AM

    I dont think anyone thought he was the long term solution at his age. What he will teach the youngsters is under valued by Blazer fans, and he still gas in the tank to play.

     But once again a Blazer pg is thrown under the bus, because we have to change every off season, and search for the next  " pgotf ".

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:02 AM

    The questions about Andre aren't his skill level or talent, because he's got both and it showed as he was the Team's MVP for last season in my book. What the team needs to consider is his age. At 34, how many more quality years does he provide? Do we have a viable option to take over the reigns once he's started his decline?
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  1. lightskin350
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:16 AM

    Finally Blazer fans are coming to their senses about how bad of a fit that Andre Miller is for this current Blazer team. Miller has to be able to run up and down like a Phoenix or New York or even back in Philly because if you force him to play ina half court offense like the one that Nate and the Blazers employ,  Miller goes from being an above average PG to a  horrific PG. I know that there are alot of dre' fanatics on this site but Miller cost the Blazers the series like it or not. I still think that miller being ont he team was all KP doing,  but the Blazers truly truly need to upgrade at the PG positon and do it quickly.

    I know that there has been some rumors about Cho getting ready to make a move and we all hope that it's for a starting PG.
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  1. dszedly
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:25 AM

    Andre was in the top 5 or 6 PG's with one of the most beat up teams in the league. He's shown us he is ready to prove he's a top tier point guard and this team, when healthy is the one to help him do it.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:26 AM

    Dre is not a bad fit. If he were such an awful fit, we wouldn't have won 50 games based largely in part to his performance. With that said, if the Blazers have a chance to get younger and improve that position, then you look to do as much. Also, Dre's expiring contract is very valuable to other teams trying to shed salary so Dre could help us land a younger, more integral piece. I'm good with either scenario of keeping him or trading him.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:29 AM

    I should add, we haven't even seen how well Andre can mesh with Oden full-time. He was spoon feeding him some easy buckets early on then he got hurt, but think of how great Andre could make GO? My biggest fear in trading Andre is who will be the guard or player making the most effort to feed Greg? We already lost one when Juwan left as he was money with those entry passes and Roy hasn't shown enough initiative to throw it down to Greg to bank on him doing it on a nightly basis. The only thing worse than an injured GO is a healthy big man who can't get the ball passed to him...
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  1. lightskin350
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    Posted 08/03/2010 12:09 PM

    There are several point guards that can be had this offseason if the Blazers are willing to give up the talent:

    Gilbert Arenas has monster money still left on his contract and the Blazers would not have to give up alot because the Wizards would be happy just to get from under it. Andre Miller and Joel Pryzbilla expiring contract + Bayless OR Rudy is what it would take.

    Mo Williams is another way the Blazers could go and still keep their yound studs together. Blazers could give up only (1) expiring contract + Bayless or Rudy.

    Tony Parker is still a young PG in his prime and would give the Blazers a leader who is a FINALS MVP and take pressure from Roy having to do everything in the 4th quarter. Parker can shoot it and also make the game easier for Oden and LA. The only way that the Spurs will let Parker go to a western team like Portland will be for Nicolas Batum. San Antonio knows how important it is to have a wing player who can guard 4 positions depending on the match up. It would probably take Batum+Bayless and the expiring contract of either Pryzbilla or Miller.

    I am going to leave Chris Paul off this list because he says that he going to stay in New Orleans (we will see if he stills says that in January.) There is also Devin Harris who New Jersey would have to be stupid to trade. If New Jersey decides to try and cut salary to make a run at Carmello next summer then the Blazers would be more than willing to try and put a package together.

    If I was running this current team and had the richest ownerin the game, I would go after Arenas because Washington wants to start over with John Wall, they traded for Kirk Hinrich and Arenas has that mega contract. Gilbert is not the traditional pass first PG but he would be a perfect fit for the Blazers and Nate loves big PG.

    If you can run out your starting (5) of:
    1) Gilbert Arenas
    2) Brandon Roy
    3) Nicolas Batum
    4) LaMarcus Aldridge
    5) Greg Oden/ Marcus Camby

    * that team could give the Lakers and the Heat all they could handle.


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  1. lightskin350
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    Posted 08/03/2010 12:25 PM

    Portland winning 50 games is a testament of how deep their roster is and great coaching from nate McMillian. If you knew anything about basketball and it's crystal clear you don't you would be able to see that Andre Miller and his lack of perimeter shooting and horrible defense makes him a bad fit for this team. Answer this "Coach"........if Dre was such a great fit why after spending the entire training camp and pre-season...................why did he not start from the jump?  Steve Blake was the starter and would have continued to start if he did not get hurt.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 08/03/2010 12:26 PM

    The pg musical chairs is still playing for Blazer fans......

    Why would we want a pg to actually spent more than 1 season here to mesh with the team ??
     How could the Blazers possibly win without a new pg  every season ??
    Starting over with a new pg every season has worked so far ?? 
      Were polishing our rings right ??

    The pgotf is Larue Martin, imo.  Hopefully some of you get that reference.
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 08/03/2010 3:42 PM

    andre can stay. as our back up pg =)
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  1. Blazingdownunder
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    Posted 08/03/2010 6:52 PM

    I definitely wasn't saying that Miller should be traded, i was simply asking some questions out of curiosity, and i know no ones asking for it but heres my opinion:

    Andre Miller is a solid point guard who has the longest active streak of games played in a row, in that sense he is reliable.

    He isnt reliable however in making teams pay for doubling Roy, or LA and that was evident more than a few times this past season. His jumper is also streaky at best (disreagarding his 52 vs dallas).

    My beef with Andre here is seeing a slight decline in Roy's PPG this season, and yes i know this also has to do with him being injured but you cant ingore the fact that alot of those expiring shot clock situations went to Dre and not Roy simply because he is the Pg of this team.

    Also many have been saying that the PG position has been a revolving door for the past few seasons, and i think the only way to stop the cycle is by getting a young player with promise who we are able to be patient with. Someone like Collison, Roddy Buckets Beaubois or perhaps let Andre cook for one more year, use his final contract season as trade bait and make a package of Ricky Rubio?

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/03/2010 8:53 PM

    I think there are too many threads on the same subject.
    You would think the best choice would be trade some of these new guys for a decent PG like the ones we have been hoping for, Harris, Ellis, Paul, and have miller be an excellent backup to one of them.
    But the problem is no one wants to loose Andre, so who can we trade, well no one wants to loose Batum.
    Well folks someone's gotta go, i will say this, If the Blazers hope to aquire a good player to help benefit the team next season, Rudy's gotta go with either Miller Or Batum, in exchange for a PG and SF. 
    Personally i think Batum is the best player that we could lose, so instead of trading them individually, take Rudy and Miller and look for a GREAT deal.
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  1. tigerjoe34
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    Posted 08/03/2010 9:29 PM

    are you high trade roy batum miller aldridge for a washed up allan iverson dude you must be high
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 08/03/2010 10:58 PM

    Posted By Ripcitydownunder08 on 08/03/2010 5:34 AM

    Is it possible for the ball dominant guard to co-exist this season with B-Roy, L.A and hopefully a healthy Greg Oden?



    Why are people still asking this stupid question? Sorry but he did a great job with Brandon and the rest and he did a great job when Brandon was hurt! He was easily the team MVP last year and still Dre gets no love! I don't understand why people think we need to trade him. Yes he's not the youngest but look at Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, they are both older. Chauncy Billups is around the same age. I think his style of play will even let him play a little longer than a normal pg. What short term memory everyone seems to have about Andre. Look at how terrible the Sixers were the last year without him. Plus he is down to earth and has no drama off court. 
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 08/03/2010 11:21 PM

    Posted By lightskin350 on 08/03/2010 12:25 PM
    Portland winning 50 games is a testament of how deep their roster is and great coaching from nate McMillian. If you knew anything about basketball and it's crystal clear you don't you would be able to see that Andre Miller and his lack of perimeter shooting and horrible defense makes him a bad fit for this team. Answer this "Coach"........if Dre was such a great fit why after spending the entire training camp and pre-season...................why did he not start from the jump?  Steve Blake was the starter and would have continued to start if he did not get hurt.

    It's crystal clear you have a very low basketball IQ and a poor memory. Miller did not start because Blake got hurt it was Nate's decision, but if it was due to injury and by using YOUR OWN logic then why didn't the great coaching of Nate put Blake back into the starting lineup once he was better if he was such a great fit? Dre is also not a terrible perimeter shooter, he just can't shoot threes well, but his midrange is pretty good. If we did not have Miller last year we would not have won 50 games and of course our depth helped too, that is obvious. After all, Andre helped make up that depth.
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  1. Blazingdownunder
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    Posted 08/04/2010 2:29 AM

    Posted By TomL on 08/03/2010 10:58 PM


    Why are people still asking this stupid question? Sorry but he did a great job with Brandon and the rest and he did a great job when Brandon was hurt! He was easily the team MVP last year and still Dre gets no love! I don't understand why people think we need to trade him. Yes he's not the youngest but look at Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, they are both older. Chauncy Billups is around the same age. I think his style of play will even let him play a little longer than a normal pg. What short term memory everyone seems to have about Andre. Look at how terrible the Sixers were the last year without him. Plus he is down to earth and has no drama off court. 



    I still dont think asking the question is a stupid one, the rumours about CP3 and co are there for a reason. In order for this team to go deeper into the playoffs, there needs to be another answer at PG. Im not questioning AM's skills or demeanour. And there is no way you compare Miller to the likes Nash, Kidd and Billups they have very different skill sets. Nash and Kidd are both pass first point guards who are unbelievable at what they do (there is a reason we pursued Kidd before Miller last year), who will be hall-of-famers one day, and Chauncey Billups is almost quite the opposite of Miller because he has the ability to consistently hit outside shots.

    When Kevin Pritchard started rebuilding this team by drafting Roy, Aldridge etc there was definitely a youth mentality in mind, and i think the only reason we are having this discussion right now is because we drafted an undersized combo guard at no.11in 08' instead of someone who could grow into the PG role and not keep the pine warm just incase B-Roy needed a breather. Maybe i have it all wrong and Bayless could one day run the team... But by all accounts and games, he does not seem interested in setting up others as he is attempting to dunk on Grant Hill...

    Back to it, I'm still hopeful Cho can pull the trigger on something that would make everyone in Oregon lose their shit... I hope something can be packaged for a certain disgruntled all star pg or maybe his understudy
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 08/04/2010 5:09 AM

    Posted By Ripcitydownunder08 on 08/04/2010 2:29 AM
    Posted By TomL on 08/03/2010 10:58 PM


    Why are people still asking this stupid question? Sorry but he did a great job with Brandon and the rest and he did a great job when Brandon was hurt! He was easily the team MVP last year and still Dre gets no love! I don't understand why people think we need to trade him. Yes he's not the youngest but look at Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, they are both older. Chauncy Billups is around the same age. I think his style of play will even let him play a little longer than a normal pg. What short term memory everyone seems to have about Andre. Look at how terrible the Sixers were the last year without him. Plus he is down to earth and has no drama off court. 



    I still dont think asking the question is a stupid one, the rumours about CP3 and co are there for a reason. In order for this team to go deeper into the playoffs, there needs to be another answer at PG. Im not questioning AM's skills or demeanour. And there is no way you compare Miller to the likes Nash, Kidd and Billups they have very different skill sets. Nash and Kidd are both pass first point guards who are unbelievable at what they do (there is a reason we pursued Kidd before Miller last year), who will be hall-of-famers one day, and Chauncey Billups is almost quite the opposite of Miller because he has the ability to consistently hit outside shots.

    When Kevin Pritchard started rebuilding this team by drafting Roy, Aldridge etc there was definitely a youth mentality in mind, and i think the only reason we are having this discussion right now is because we drafted an undersized combo guard at no.11in 08' instead of someone who could grow into the PG role and not keep the pine warm just incase B-Roy needed a breather. Maybe i have it all wrong and Bayless could one day run the team... But by all accounts and games, he does not seem interested in setting up others as he is attempting to dunk on Grant Hill...

    Back to it, I'm still hopeful Cho can pull the trigger on something that would make everyone in Oregon lose their shit... I hope something can be packaged for a certain disgruntled all star pg or maybe his understudy
    I didn't say compare Andre to Nash and Kidd. I was just saying that they are even older and are still producing just fine at their age. I wasn't comparing their games at all. And I think asking if Dre and Roy can play together is definitely a stupid question now, because it has already been answered! The rumors about CP3 don't mean anything. If we can get him yes that would be great, but unless we can get a pg the same caliber as CP3, we don't need to trade Dre. Besides even if we DID get Chris Paul, I'm not so sure that we advance further into the playoffs just on the addition of him, because we would lose 2 or 3 key guys that we have, Nate needs to adapt much better to the playoffs and I think we have a huge problem at the 4 except for a couple months out of the year.

    I'm not expecting a lot from Cho, if we could have brought over CP3 then that would have been great, but if we don't that doesn't mean we still HAVE to do a trade for a pg. I think our team is pretty good, it's just that Nate messed with the lineups way too long last year and then all the injuries piled up.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 08/04/2010 10:29 AM

    Well here's the thing. I think the Point Guard we need for this team is a point guard who can control the ball and create for other people effectively, but at the same time can play off the ball effectively as well. This is necessary because Roy will have the ball in his hands and the point guards man needs to play defense on our point guard and not have the ability to sag off and ball watch Roy. Basically we need double threats at the Guard positions. If Bayless can develop his point guard skills some more he'd be perfect. He has a decent, not great, jumpshot right now, he can attack the basket, the only thing he doesn't have is the ability to get the ball to the weakside. Once he gets used to doing this he'll be deadly.

    However if there is an immediate upgrade at the starting point guard position (Tony Parker, CP3, Devin Harris) then trade Andre and/or Bayless in a heartbeat. For now Andre is good.
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 08/09/2010 7:06 PM

    Let me bark on here, too.
    Andre Miller is a great player.  With what ClydeFrog said, that's true.  What if Miller can play a few more years and help Oden not just get points, but somehow build his confidence up to play better? 
    But hearing our issue at the point guard position for quite a while, here's my thinking.  To me, at this point, we have three realistic options right now that can come up to my head at this moment.
    1. Stick with Miller.  He might not have that range, and he might have held on the ball a bit too much, but IDK about you guys, but when Roy was out, Miller, to me, was like a second Roy.  Just take out the range, and Miller is like a downgraded version of Roy.  Miller can attack the basket, play solid D, and he also passes the ball around. 
    2. Make a trade.  We all want Paul right now, but we can't have him.  Yet, anyways.  The only point guard I can think of doing that is Mo Williams.  The only thing I might not like from him is that I hear he lacks defense.  Other than that, he does pretty good on the offensive floor.  Or...
    3. Keep grooming Bayless.  IDK.  He might be the answer we're looking for.  We just might not see it yet.  IDK.  Bayless is like a mini-Roy, in terms of attacking the basket.  He's still young, and he can still develop.  I think he's shown flashes of being a decent point guard, but that's just being decent.

    ...and just a little off-topic, and for fun, our PG should be wearing Nikes.  And Batum should change to Nikes.  That's when Nike can really put Portland more on the market.  Just a fun thought, guys. 
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 08/09/2010 8:21 PM

    bayless needs to really work on his shooting alot this offseason and do whatever it takes to become even more explosive. if he suddenly develops a great jump shot teams will no he is a threat. either u play him tight so he doesn't hit the J from long range and he runs right by you for the lay up/dunk or you sag off so he don't run by you and he hits the open shot. he was once percieved to be the point guard of the future. and i've always liked his ability. in all honesty with andre miller here he is a progress stopper and has held back bayless some from becoming as good as he can be and meeting his potential. the 1 good thing is miller could mentor him and show him the ropes but with miller getting so much playing time its hard for a young fella to learn from his mistakes if he don't get the chance to learn and grow.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/10/2010 2:15 AM

    My opinion of this is Andre Miller was hired to help Mr. Bayless along and mentor him as an elder statesman in the NBA. He did as any point guard should which was take over the team out on the court. At first I think Roy got his feathers ruffled a bit because he did not have a PG that ever do this. I mean get it to the guy who is hot , Feed it to the guy who needs to get hot , find the open man or dammit get hot yourself. All it showed me was that he could still play last year, which kinda took everyone in the NBA by suprise to include the fans.
    Would I like to get Paul? you dam rights I would. Other than him I think we have the best choice with Miller especially if he rubs off on Bayless. If we stay healthy this year I think we will see a whole differant team come to the playoffs and the real story will be told.
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