Blazer Fans: The Nic Batum Dilemma
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/23/2010 9:25 AM

    Remember when Donaghy got busted betting on games and he came out after he got out of jail and said in a WM interview that because of the way things are set up, a small market like Portland couldn't win a championship unless they landed a big name here?

    So are we fools here for believing the Blazers can ever win another championship?

    It would be very, very difficult. They would have to be in a position to get a guy with a big name, like a Shaquille or a LeBron, in the draft.

    Well, now's our chance.

    Here's a link to the whole article. If you don't like the trade, check it out and see if it changes your mind...

    http://wweek.com/editorial/3626/13989/



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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 07/23/2010 9:31 AM

    :)  sorry i wrote that twice... couldn't figure out where it went and I wanted to get it out. I wish there was a way to delete these things.  >:(
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  1. MrStarclassic
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    Posted 07/23/2010 9:56 AM

    If portland wants a shot at winning the championship, we need another perennial all star who can create offense.  Paul is young, makes others around him all stars, and a perennial allstar himself.  We have all seen how good he's made Chandler and West, and they weren't already there. Imagine if he made Aldrige and Oden allstars.  The problem with portland is that we couldn't create offense outside of Roy, Paul solves that dilemma.  and finally, the last arguement, how do we expect to beat the Lakers or the Thunder when we are in the playoffs, we have been there twice playing against what I believe to be lesser teams when compared to some of the teams this season.  Mo williams couldn't help Lebron get his so how is he going to help portland.
  1. MrStarclassic
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    Posted 07/23/2010 10:00 AM

    On devin harris,  he has potential, but I believe that he will never be at the level cp3 is now, who is also young
  1. voytenkoviktor
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    Posted 07/23/2010 10:32 AM

    Check this video out. Change the timeframe on ur left side to 2008-2009 then click the 5th page and u will see a video there with Pauls face click it and listen to what he has to say about BROY :D http://www.nba.com/blazers/video/originals/
  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/23/2010 11:07 AM

    Broy and Chris Paul are good friends, if he comes here he'll stay here. We have too many players with too much pressure to be great, I love this trade idea solely for the fact that you alleviate some of the pressure on our young talent, and our desire for Batum to supercede all expectations, and  instead we rest it solely on Roy and Chris Paul. You give Monty someone he's accredited to fine-tuning in Batum, and maybe some other pieces to help out Monty, and you move on. If we don't get CP3 we are still fine, it's a win win scenario.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 07/23/2010 1:24 PM

    I like the way you think Crim. We are in a win-win scenario.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/23/2010 2:04 PM

    With Paul, this team would have to be considered favorites for the title...at least in the west.  LA is without a starting point guard.  They are saddled with two players that, at this point in their careers, are nothing more than adequate back ups...incidentally, both will have a hard time next season keeping their feet and staying in front of the ball.  Thus, the addition of Barnes.  With a number of tier 2 PGs, Portland would be elevated to legitimate contenders (all of this with the presumption of good health).   Therefore, we don't NEED Paul, and should never consider giving up more than Nic (in terms of major pieces) for him.  Absolutely fellas, this franchise is in a win win situation.  Kudos to the front office this off-season, esp for having the patience necessary to BE in this situation, despite all of the public criticism for not being more active in FA and the methodical nature in replacing KP.  Go to work Cho!  The one thing I would feel obligated to add, is the ton of additional $$ having Paul over a 2 tier player would bring to the franchise.  Something that I'm sure is being considered.
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 07/23/2010 8:24 PM

    Basketball is a simple game.  Better players mean more wins (with a few chemistry exceptions).  Chris Paul is better than Nic Batum.  I love Nicolas and his defense (not to mention his constantly improving offense), but like Bertram said, Chris Paul is always on the all-nba team and defense team.  He would help the Blazers so much, without a doubt.  Obviously, the ideal situation would be to get CP3 and not have to trade Batum, but if that was the only way to get CP3, then I say DO IT!
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 07/23/2010 9:04 PM

    C'mon guys, we're starting to sound like Knicks and Warriors fans who think Anthony Randolph and Danilo Gallinari are untouchable. Nico is great, but we are talking about a TOP 5 player in the NBA, a bonafide superstar, and a championship elevating player. These are the types of trades you need to make if you want to win it all. I, for one, would be pretty upset if I found out we turned down a CP3 deal for Batum and this is coming from a HUGE Batum fan.
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  1. JoeFoCho
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    Posted 07/23/2010 10:10 PM

    #12 your right, roy does need help and I give him props for openly admitting that he needs to improve and I hope that's not just the 80 million talking. In ne case ROY"S THE MAN! LA obviously needs to improve his game around the rim and if Oden isn't up to par for whatever reason next season then CP3's gonna take us about as far as he took the Hornets. I know it's easier said then done but our players need to step up thier game and that starts by believing they can be championship contenders and represent P-Town the right way. Ultimately defense wins games and if Paul can handle his own on the defensive end,especially if we lose Batum Baby!, then I agree with bringing in Paul. Unless you think we can simply outscore our opponents.Don't get me wrong, Paul is the man and he's a big name and big names are easy to fall in love with. But take it from Bron Bron, big names alone don't equal championships. Just my thoughts..
  1. noahvag
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    Posted 07/24/2010 6:06 AM

    What about trading Fernandez, Miller and Przybilla? I think that would have been awesome!
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 07/24/2010 10:35 AM

    We don't need to trade for Paul we need to trade Bayless and Rudy for a TRUE PG and a SF
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  1. jordan2375
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    Posted 07/24/2010 12:45 PM

    why would they trade cp3 for batum
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  1. Alex
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    Posted 07/24/2010 3:46 PM

    Im glad all of us as fans are expressing our opinions, But i think we sould let our new GM handle this. If he can get paul without giving up batum, then he has proven to b a great GM. I say J. Przbilla, A. Miller, R. Fernandez, A Player from over seas, A Lottery pick/ Several draft picks (Not Lottery picks)
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 07/24/2010 3:52 PM

    lol, ClydeFrog is just like me(Batum= 2nd fave player. Oden= 1st  fave player)
    Anyways, on this topic.
    I said keep Batum and take a 2nd tier PG.  Batum is too valuable to give up. IMO anyways.  However, Paul is like a superstar.  I'd rather keep Batum than trade him for Paul, but..... man.  This is what we call "Between a Rock and a Hard Place"
    If we ever get Paul and lose Batum, I'd be happy to have Paul, but would be sad to lose Batum.

    Oh, and just for fun, if that trade DID happen, who would start at SF?  Again, just for fun, so let's imagine this:
    Paul, Roy, Matthews, Aldridge, Oden.  What does this mean? 
    Our starting lineup wear Nikes(Paul with Jordan)(I'm sure Matthews wears some Nikes).  Also, Nike originated in Oregon....
    The end result- Portland becomes a bit more famous with Nike advertising the 2011(or whatever year) champs!
    IDK, just for fun thoughts.
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  1. mr.e503
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    Posted 07/24/2010 4:22 PM

    I don't know much about anything, but I can tell when someone is in a lose/lose situation and that is exactly what the Hornets are in. If they trade Paul they are going to need to rebuild. So they will need a combination of young prospects and expiring contracts to use to continue rebuilding. Which is exactly what Portland has, better talent and expiring contacts. It's not that great but it will be the best they can get. Yeah that would decrease the fan base and the value of the team but not as bad as it will if they don't trade and get something in return....

    otherwise...

    They don't trade Paul and they will have a hard time improving around him because no team will want to deal with them after turned down trades for Paul. They don't really have much to offer for trades anyways so they better start making some moves in the free agency while there are still some C rated players available . It won't matter though none are good enough to make a difference that will make the Hornets a contender and Paul happy.

    So with that said, the majority owner should cut his losses and sell while he can before Chris Paul is gone. Like I said it is a lose/lose situation, so either get something for him now, or pay a lot of money for an unhappy superstar just to have him walk out on you in 2 years like Lebron did to Cleveland.

    Just a thought.

    Nobody really wants to lose NIC, but if it means making the team better and lightening the load on Brandon's shoulders/knees then we should capitalize on the opportunity. Otherwise we might end up with a situation with Brandon "testing" the free agency if we don't back him up with another star. Not saying he would, it's just a scary thought that seems to be contagious. Be side's Chris Paul would lead LA and ODEN to all-star calibers that would drive the Blazers to the Western Conference Finals the 1st year and possible Championship the next. It is hard to imagine why he would leave a team he helped develop into a Championship contender with 3 stars (ROY,LA and ODEN) in the beginning of their prime for another team of 2 (AMIRE, MELO) stars on the other end of their prime. So with that said I trade "please forgive me" NIC, MILLER, PRYZ, RUDY for Chris Paul and maybe Camby for Okafor if required. 

    The time is good but it could be great!

    Good Luck with that!

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  1. mr.e503
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    Posted 07/24/2010 4:24 PM

    Nobody really wants to lose NIC, but if it means making the team better and lightening the load on Brandon's shoulders/knees then we should capitalize on the opportunity. Otherwise we might end up with a situation with Brandon "testing" the free agency if we don't back him up with another star. Not saying he would, it's just a scary thought that seems to be contagious. Be side's Chris Paul would lead LA and ODEN to all-star calibers that would drive the Blazers to the Western Conference Finals the 1st year and possible Championship the next. It is hard to imagine why he would leave a team he helped develop into a Championship contender with 3 stars (ROY,LA and ODEN) in the beginning of their prime for another team of 2 (AMIRE, MELO) stars on the other end of their prime. So with that said I trade "please forgive me" NIC, MILLER, PRYZ, RUDY for Chris Paul and maybe Camby for Okafor if required. 

    The time is good but it could be great!

    Good Luck with that!

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  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/24/2010 5:06 PM

    I know it makes the most sense sending Paul to us, and I am pretty sure the failure won't come on our end this time, but with the way their owner status is in question and everything else adding to the turmoil in Louisiana, I just see this one not going as it should. Then again I have no inclination to get my hopes up over this, it would be sweet to have him, but I just can't jump in on the "we absolutely need him" bandwagon. Of course I am admittedly biased, but I feel we already have a championship contender of a team.
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  1. JoeFoCho
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    Posted 07/24/2010 8:25 PM

    Nick Taylor- CALLING OUT NICK TAYLOR WHO COMMENTED ON MIKE BARRET"S BLOG: Batum is now 21 and in a couple of years he'll be an exellent defender. As for his offense and injuries, his offense is getting better every year playing in the NBA and overseas and at least he has an excuse to get injured cuhummmm... CP3 what's your excuse you 2nd All-Time Defensive Team Player you. As far as defense goes, CP3 might be good at steals but what happens when we play a team like Phoenix who can kick out the ball and rain down three's. Statistics show that Cp3's undersized at the point and for that very reason, if someone like Tony Parker gets hot from beyond the ark, don't count on CP3333. Oh, and by CP3 wanting to be traded to NYC to play with Staudemire and Anthony after Mr. Bron Bron did it would be selfish in my book. It's the EASY path and eliminates much of the competition. BAD for the NBA.You got MOST of your comments right NICK TAYLOR.
  1. JoeFoCho
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    Posted 07/24/2010 8:32 PM

    Ma bad, I forgot to add a couple things: Batum overuses his shoulder by playing overseas in the offseason instead of resting his shoulder... But what's CP3's excuse. Again, I like CP3, I also like to respond when someone like NICK TAYLOR says in other words some of us don't know what were talking about. So the fact is, Batum and Paul are both great players and it's not gonna be easy to part with BATUM BABY!
  1. jeff w
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    Posted 07/24/2010 8:56 PM

    Does any one remember that nick was not that good last year? Why not trade rudy,and l.a. for paul? rudy sucked in the playoffs, and L.a never plays the 4 spot, does he think he is r. allen or something? keep nick but trade l.a.
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  1. JoeFoCho
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    Posted 07/24/2010 9:50 PM

    Jeff Wicks CMON MAN REALLY??? Dude, "nick was not that good last year" he was one of the best if not the best defender when he was on the floor. It's his length that bothers people. Check out this comment by Michael Jordan:" Forget about looking at box scores for Batum. This guy plays hard and a defense force already. Batum makes the most amazing hustle blocks I have ever seen. Is arms are so long he looks funny. " and that was last year. Not only that but statistics show that when BATUM BABY was on the floor the blazers were +4.5 per 48 minutes. Allow me to explain dat tu yu. That means that every time he was on the floor, they outscored thier opponents by 4.5 points CMON man that's DEFENSE and the only part of Batum's defensive game thats not good wasn't his fault hense his injured shoulder and CP3 got injured too. So what are you saying about CP3. Somebody needs to get thier facts straight before they put thier foot in thier mouth. Sorry dude. I'm love Batum Baby! We would lose talent by parting with Batum.  I agree with that rudy lost his touch and LA doesn't play the 4spot well. I wunder how much he's really trying to work on his inside game or is he set in his ways shooting the outside shot. Cmon people just dont talk about Batum like that.
  1. TayC
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    Posted 07/24/2010 10:01 PM

    Posted By jeffwicks on 07/24/2010 8:56 PM
    Does any one remember that nick was not that good last year? Why not trade rudy,and l.a. for paul? rudy sucked in the playoffs, and L.a never plays the 4 spot, does he think he is r. allen or something? keep nick but trade l.a.

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  1. pipierro
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    Posted 07/25/2010 2:18 AM

    I want to see Paul in RipCity and also Anthony
    I prefere to see :
    1_a trade involving Miller (and more) for Paul ==> PG for PG : Miller could help young Collison
    2_another one involving Batum (and more) for Anthony ==> SF for SF : Batum could become the all-star player he supposed to be ( a kind of T-Prince ) and Portland owns his Big 3
    I think Portland have a lot of young guys to give for all-star ... I think Albridge ; Fernandez ; Bayless ; Pryzbilla could be major pieces of trades ... Even if it means break roster ... I talk about a Big 3 Paul/Roy/Anthony
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/25/2010 9:49 AM

    This thread derailed a while ago and has turned into a full-blown train wreck.
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  1. jeff w
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    Posted 07/25/2010 1:01 PM

    O.K., you got me.your right about nick. I do really like him,besides roy, he's my boy.  I am kind of tired of being the under-dog all the time.
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  1. jeff w
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    Posted 07/25/2010 1:05 PM

    O.K. you got me. your right about nick. I do realy like him.
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  1. mr.e503
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    Posted 07/25/2010 1:21 PM

    I would rather have CP3 develop LA and ODEN into the All Stars they are capable of then get Anthony! Bring on the easy baskets.
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  1. JoeFoCho
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    Posted 07/25/2010 3:31 PM

    I just want to give a shout out to Nick Taylor because it takes forever to get posts through MB"s blog. Nick Taylor your a FAKE BLAZER FAN!! He's hating on Batum on MB's blog saying that batum won't amount to much of anything and CHRIS PAUL can do no wrong. You suck Nick Taylor. I'm a real Blazer Fan who loves the team we have now and believes in chemistry and chemistry takes time. Stay off the crack Nick Taylor chris paul's a QUICK FIX and great teams develop over time. 
  1. TJ31
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    Posted 07/25/2010 4:05 PM

    Blazers recieve:  Paul, Okafor, Songalia
    Blazers trade:  Miller, Oden, Camby, Fernandez, Przybilla

    Paul/BaylessRoy
    Roy/Bayless/Matthews
    Matthews/Wright/Cunningham
    Aldridge/Songalia/Cunningham
    Okafor/Pendergraph/Aldridge
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 07/25/2010 4:11 PM

    OR

    Blazers receive:  Paul, Okafor
    Blazers trade:  Miller, Aldridge, Przybilla, Bayless, Cash

    Paul/Roy/Mills
    Roy/Matthews
    Batum/Matthews
    Camby/Okafor/Przybilla
    Oden/Okafor/Pryzbilla

    OR

    Blazers receive:  Paul, Okafor, Posey
    Blazers trade:  Miller, Camby, Przybilla, Bayless, Fernandez, Cash

    Paul/Roy/Mills
    Roy/Matthews
    Batum/Posey/Matthews
    Aldridge/Okafor/Cunningham
    Oden/Okafor/Pendergraph




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  1. formalityjoey
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    Posted 07/25/2010 5:17 PM

    http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68350/20100725/paul_to_issue_formal_trade_request_monday/

    http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68352/20100725/circumstances_make_paul_to_magic_unlikely/
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  1. Anonymous
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    Posted 07/25/2010 5:35 PM

    Bayless is a stupid selfish allen iverson wannabe style player who will never be great or elite. Batum will also never ever have the type of offence that pippen had, he's a tayshaun prince at best.
  1. laurie b clark
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    Posted 07/25/2010 7:41 PM

    I can see Joel (sob!) and Miller going away...Rudy, even. However, I think it would be ridiculous to get rid of promising young guys like Batum and Bayless! We just got them, really- and we should let them develop AS BLAZERS. It would be stupid to let them go to ,say, the Nets... and then watch the Nets come out huge this season. Mr. Cho, if you read this-please keep  Nic and Jerryd! I don't want to give them up for cp3.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/25/2010 9:08 PM

    I would love Chris Paul in Portland. Only problem is that we have been denied already this year for almost exactly what people are saying, including Miller and Przybilla in the offer. If anything, we could do Miller, Batum, Fernandez, and Przybilla for Paul and Thornton. I would do the 4 for Paul, but I don't know if either of these trades would be realistic. I think New Orleans is going to be asking too much. Here is what the machine said.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

    If it were possible to make a trade for Paul with Batum involved, I would pull the trigger. Batum is great, but Paul is an all star point guard, something that we have lacked for a long time. Andre Miller is getting a bit older, and we need to start thinking about a possible future point guard.
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  1. jiggna
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    Posted 07/26/2010 5:22 AM

    i believe it is necessary to have great PG to win a championship. if chris paul comes to portland do you think he won't leave portland to go play for the Knicks along with amor and anthony in two years? now portland will not win a championship in two years. we might go deep into the playoffs but not championship. so, why risk of lossing a great player like nic batum and not getting a ring? is worth it? if you ask me i would say "NO.' now there has to be another option like buy a players. if paul allen wants a championship so bad there is no such thing as to much. BUY A PLAYER LIKE CHRIS PAUL or Trade RUDY FERNANDEZ instead of BATUM. I think last time i check RUDY was worth more..i'm loyal BLAZERS fan for last 20 YRS i would hate to see my team go backwards..we need patients people...Plus, the deal will not happen b/c BROY was on record saying he could not play with CP3..we could have picked up CP, but if that was the case we would never had BROY or LMA..i say portland is on winning end for aquiring LMA and BROY..BATUM STAYS, BATUM STAYS, BATUM STAYS..otherwise, i'm have to stop my seasons tickets...i can't see my team w/o my favorite players...
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 07/26/2010 10:44 AM

    Rudy is actually not worth more than Batum anymore. Due to his recent antics and failure to perform his Sophomore season, Batum's value has now surpassed Rudy. As far as a Championship goes, with Paul, Portland could realistically win in the next two years. He adds that much. This team, given the talks as discussed, would only move forward. If you are going to return your season tickets w/o a refund, then I will take them off your hands because this would make a VERY exciting season for Portland. Potentially 4 All-Stars participating on Saturday
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 07/26/2010 10:53 AM

    Not to mention this would take milage of some of our players and would allow us to have some much needed representation in the olympics or even fiba. Really bummed we have no one there, is Batum playing for the french team this year? I know they will need him without Tony Parker playing. We could see some Batum point forward action, I saw the US plays france first.
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  1. jamiparker
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    Posted 07/26/2010 12:40 PM

    gotta go cp3... can't stand the thought of losing batum, especially when cp3 has been injury prone and thats the last thing rip city needs, but nevertheless... its CP3!!
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 07/27/2010 2:24 PM

    I've said it from Day 1 of the offseason, the team needs to find Roy another star to play with. Batum isn't ready yet, Oden would be but can't be relied upon right now, and LA is just a complimentary piece in my book. Not only could we wear Roy down by relying on him so heavily (similar to Quizz on the Beavers) but defenses will just continue to collapse on him, taking away his effectiveness. Do what it takes to get Paul!
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/27/2010 8:27 PM

    You and I are in COMPLETE agreement on this.  I said yesterday that the CP3 deal wasn't done, despite what was being said after the meeting.  Already, the very next day, word has leaked that perhaps Paul ISN'T as happy as thought.  The more public Paul's case becomes, the more quickly I believe NO will have to move him...as his value will begin to slip.  Ofcourse, the trade off for Paul is the de-valuation of his "brand" in the process.  With Portland having the only package considered, I would have to say at this point, that the deal is still very much alive.  As I've said in other posts recently, watch to see what...if anything...Portland does with the pieces thought to have been part of their offer to NO.  They may be best served simply staying put, and letting the disgruntled PG situation fester.  the worse it gets and the longer it goes, the cheaper the price will become for Paul.  The risk both teams face by waiting ofcourse, is beginning the season with two PGs who know they're not wanted (or want out).  Everything points to something going down before then.

    ClydeFrog...you and I have it nailed.  Roy's body cannot withstand anymore "ISO's" and teams "loading up" on him.  If he is to stay as effective as in seasons past, he will need a legit 2, and sonner, not later.  If not for all of the knee issues, the team could afford to wait on Nic developing or Oden stepping up.  Unfortunately, the cornerstone of this franchise needs help NOW.  His career will sadly be shortened tremendously without it, and with that will come the narrowing of a championship window.  I have the utmost faith in Cho, Mike, Chad and team to not only see and recognize what we do, but to act, and do something about it.  Roy is a special player and from what I've seen and heard, a special person.  Let's not let him down.
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  1. Justin Osborn
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    Posted 07/28/2010 12:23 AM

    i believe if there is any chance you throw in your draft picks to new orleans instead of getting rid of batum but if new orleans said hey include batum and you get paul i would do it roy and paul in the same backcourt there wouldnt be any better wesley and babbit thats why i think portland picked them up is they thought about this i would make the trade i would give NO anything else just to c if you could keep your group together. i posted this trade before and i will do it again becuase new orleans would get what they want and we would get what we want with the keeping of batum.I think they have to do make a trade here is the deal you give up marcus, andre, bayless, rudy, joel and some small contract like a patty mills and the max money which is 3 million for chris paul, emakea oakfor, sorry if i spell some of these names wrong and some other contracts that new orleans needs to get rid of like james posey, thompson,Peja and stuff is new orleans is hurting fincial so with this trade they get rid pauls big contract with oakafors long contract and guys like james posey plus some talented young guys so they save there money and we get chris paul and oakfor are the main guys and Allen can take this load its nothing for him then heres your team your starting 5 is paul roy batum lamarcus oden/oakafor then your second team is matthews, cunningham, pendgraph, babbit, and that johnson and miami mite have the best 3 guys but lets say portland pulls this off and the keep batum who i think really will be a star one day and i havent given up on oden i mean the guy when he played was dominant i mean he was at the top for blocks in the league for about a month after the guy had gotten hurt he was in the top 20 or whatever is in the league so if he is back and healthy there wouldnt be a better starting 5 in the league. If you have to give up batum to make that trade happen i would do it. but i think NO would like that trade anyway they would save a lot of money and they get the talent they need bayless is a 2 guard playing and learning as one with collison as a one and bayless who is a few inches taller and thicker he could play as a 2 where paul and collison really cant play together to small but that would be a scarey backcourt for NO collison and bayless but we get paul roy baby i would make the trade cause if batum goes that sucks but thats why you have guys like cunningham and wesley and babbit they fill the role batum had nicely and we would have the best starting 5 in the league maybe not the best 3 but the best 5 by far espicialy if you get to keep batum.
    I am a fan of getting CP3 in a blazer uniform.
  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/28/2010 10:51 AM

    While I think the point guard position is quite possibly the most overrated position in the game of basketball, as evidenced by only a handful leading their team to the promise land, Paul is one of those handful who could do it with the right supporting cast. He isn't a Stockton or even a Payton, he's better. He's eerily similar to that of Isaiah Thomas and although Joe Dumars is a Hall of Fame player, Brandon will have a better career. To have two Top 10 players on the same team, plus a great 3rd star in Aldridge, compiled with a solid bench and whatever you get from Batum or Oden, that is a championship team. 
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  1. Justin Osborn
    Justin Osborn
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    Posted 07/28/2010 5:07 PM

    like i said before you keep batum if at all possible cause you see the guy has at worst scotty pipen written all over him keep him if you can and i gave  my trade a try on the trade machine and i got it to work NO would save a bunch of cap space about 12 million the first year around 30-25 million the next 3 years or so we give up: bayless, miller, joel,camby,rudy, draft picks and small contract like a patty mills or amaron johnson and max 3 million and if NO wont take it you give them batum instead of draft picks

    get: Okafor, Paul, Posey, Johnson, and maybe a Peja depending on the trade
    i got it to work and NO would save money plus get some seriouse young talent to go with collison and west but we get okafor and paul there guys were just to take some other contracts that NO wouldnt want Paul Allen can take the load and it wouldnt be a problem and the listen for you guys that think paul is overated look at what NO was before he got there no one thought of them even thought they would compete paul took them in contender thats how good he is. plus if oden comes back and he pickup where he left off from last year and we get to keep batum look at the blazers to the heat. do you really think juwan howard and hasslem would be able to stop greg oden if he is healthy lamarcus would give it to bosh on the offensive end and would have to look at a monster who has about 30 pounds and a couple inches on him drapping all over him then batum can guard any guy in the league lebron for the heat now that doesnt mean lebron gets shut down cause its impossible but lebron would have to work for every shot he gets now wade vs roy last year it took wade 8+ shots more to match what roy put on wade so thats even really then you have paul who would make life on roy easier and lamarcus could get some more easy baskets with paul pushing. this would be our lineup
    paul,roy,batum,LA, oden bench:wesley,babbit,cunningham, pendagraph,johnson, okafor thats pretty solid bench but your starting 5 is the best in the hole league. Portland needs one more guy you can just see it the offense just stalls to the point where it makes a guy think when was the last time we scored? portland has to make a move without a doudt Cho needs to make this happen.
    I am a fan of getting CP3 in a blazer uniform.
  1. DHawes22
    DHawes22
    Posts: 6488

    Posted 07/29/2010 4:45 PM

    Ok, hypothetically speaking. Lets say Batum ends up like Scottie Pippen but Chris Paul ends up better than Isaiah Thomas. Who would you rather have?
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  1. BDawg
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    Posts: 1593

    Posted 07/29/2010 8:10 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 07/29/2010 4:45 PM
    Ok, hypothetically speaking. Lets say Batum ends up like Scottie Pippen but Chris Paul ends up better than Isaiah Thomas. Who would you rather have?
    Hypothetically...my take:  When has Paul ever been surrounded by the type of team Portland's current roster would offer him?  Don't know that he has.  Paul is a PG, a facilitator.  The potential here is scary.  He not only could surpass that of Thomas, he may then have a shot at a legacy comparable to, say, Magic.  Player v player, Batum v Paul (with both realizing potentials), it's close.  Factor in Paul's very special and rare ability to make those around him better...CP3 wins, HANDS DOWN.  His ability to effect the outcome of a game would far exceed that of Batum's, for that very reason alone.  BTW, I AM a Nic fan (and love his kicks!)

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  1. xvillainx_1
    xvillainx_1
    Posts: 38

    Posted 07/30/2010 12:16 AM

    I have a problem trading away a young SF we drafted and  are in desperate need of, for a franchise PG from another team who is gonna cost us a lot of money and is comming of knee surgery.
    I am a fan of Brandon Roy
  1. formalityjoey
    formalityjoey
    Posts: 38

    Posted 07/30/2010 4:42 AM

    Chris Paul averages about 10 assists/game and about 19 points/game.
    Deron Williams: 10.7,  19.4
    Steve Nash in his prime: 11.6,  18.6
    Jason Kidd in his prime: 10.8, 16.9
    Magic Johnson in his prime: 12.2, 23.9

    These guys all have a few things in common. (And i believe Lebron also has the gift and we'll "witness" it this season.) The gift of vision. In order to be a pure passer like these guys, you always need to be a few steps ahead of the defenders you are playing against. You need to able to predict how the defenders are going to react to your actions with ball. You need a good imagination. Creativity. And on top of that, the ball skills to make the right passes. PLUS, all of these guys could score too! Another thing these guys have in common: i think they are all going to the hall of fame. (i know johnson is in there already)

    These types of players are rare. I believe cp3 and d-will are products of jkidd and nash. and kidd and nash are products of magic. We will see more of these types of players popping up more frequently bc kids will try to emulate these players and their style of play.

    My point is, when you have a REALLY GOOD CHANCE at getting a hall of fame PG, you at least  think about it and make some offers. I love a guy who can play great defense and do all the little things, and that's what i love about Batum, but we all have to be honest here: CP3 is special.

    The best thing about all of this is, i think that even with Andre, our roster is OUTSTANDING. Blazers are going to do damage this year and no one is going to see it coming.

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  1. formalityjoey
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    Posts: 38

    Posted 07/30/2010 9:02 AM

    stockton's best year: 14.5 assts 17.2 pts
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