What can Jerryd Bayless do to take his game to the next level this summer?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/25/2010 12:51 PM

    Up next is Point Guard Jerryd Bayless:
    Here is a snippet from my blog-

     Logging only 65 minutes and appearing in 53 games during his rookie year, Jerryd Bayless was determined to make a bigger impact on the Trail Blazers in 2010. But after the team brought in a free agent and fellow point guard Andre Miller, it was unsure just how much playing time he'd be able to muster by being 5th on the depth chart amongst the guards. No one took advantage of the injury-plagued season more than Bayless. In a one week span right before Christmas, Jerryd showed why he was a heavily coveted lottery pick in 2008, scoring 29 points in 29 minutes in a comeback victory over the Suns and then six days later, with Brandon sidelined, scored a career-high 31 to upset the Spurs in San Antonio. With Roy out again to start the playoffs, it was Jerryd who once again rose to the occasion, averaging 13.5 points, on .431 field goal shooting, 4.0 assists, only 1.3 turnovers, and saw his three-point percentage increase from .315 during the regular season to .400 this postseason. The flashes of brilliance were evident in 2010, but how can he sustain his lightning in the bottle outbursts over the duration of an entire season?

    1. Long-Range Shooting

    2. One of the prerequisites to playing successfully alongside Brandon Roy is the ability to spread the floor and knock down open shots, disallowing the defense to swarm Brandon at every given chance. Jerryd had some success keeping the opposing defenses at bay, but it was mostly sporadic as seen from his shooting percentages of .414 and .315 from the field and three-point range respectively. Granted the NBA three-point line is four feet further away from the basket than in college [23'9", 19'9"] and professional level defenders are a different animal than the ones Jerryd saw at Arizona, but he was a great perimeter shooter in his lone season in college proven by knocking down .458 from the field and .407 from downtown, prompting these rave reviews from NBADraft.Net in his pre-draft report:
      Gets great lift on his jump-shot, with range well out to the NBA three. His pull up jumper is magnificent; with the elevation, balance, and quick release, he is virtually able to shoot whenever, and over whomever he desires


      Jerryd didn't all of a sudden forget how to shoot a basketball. The discrepancies in percentage can be attributed to time spent on the floor. There is no coincidence he played his best basketball when he saw 20+ minutes of action, because he is a rhythm player who takes time to get into the flow of the game. After his remarkable play against Phoenix in the playoffs, consistent minutes for the 2011 look promising, but unfortunately, there are no guarantees in the league. If Bayless can continue to be the gym rat that he is widely recognized as and continue to work on his jump shot, either off of the dribble or spotting up, it may not matter how frequent he sees the court, because he'll produce regardless. CONTINUE READING>>>
    What do you think Bayless should be working on this summer to go from role player to 6th man/next big thing on Trail Blazers?

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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 05/25/2010 2:28 PM

    He just needs to keep his confidence high. With no more Blake and Rudy looking to be on his way out, the minutes will come to him as long as he's producing. I really don't expect the court vision to come right away. If you're not blessed with seeing the floor, it takes a lot of time and effort to become sufficient at it, BUT he can become a knock down shooter once again, which will make him unguardable. Not to mention, he doesn't have to be the best passer playing with Roy, because Brandon likes to have the ball in his hands quite frequently, so if Bayless can continue to shoot around 40% from 3, it will keep defenders at bay, allowing Roy to operate one on one.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 05/25/2010 3:08 PM

    Relax a little,  sometimes he rushes himself and turns the ball over. Make good  use of the time he has to learn from Dre and Brandon before Dre is gone.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 05/25/2010 3:30 PM

    Court vision and ball control.

    What I mean by that is taking the time to analyze what the defense is doing and reacting. Whether it be to push or to pick that very defense apart with a few good crisp passes. He can do it, this coming season he's going to make that leap.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/25/2010 7:12 PM

    Posted By Kim on 05/25/2010 3:08 PM
    Relax a little,  sometimes he rushes himself and turns the ball over. Make good  use of the time he has to learn from Dre and Brandon before Dre is gone.

    Good point. I think the further along he gets into a game, the calmer he plays. I noticed during the middle of the season when minutes came and went sparingly, he tried to do too much at once and often did rush things. When he knows he'll play around a certain number of minutes, I think he calms down and sees the floor better and his jump shot seems much smoother.
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  1. BriBri825
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    Posted 05/26/2010 11:15 PM

    another thing jerryd can work on, is when he's driving to the basket for a lay-up, MAKE the lay-up. more often than not, he'd drive and be too out of control and look for the ref to bail him out. i think the refs are more likely to give the and-1 rather than call a shooting foul-- that's IMO.
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  1. BriBri825
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    Posted 05/26/2010 11:15 PM

    another thing jerryd can work on, is when he's driving to the basket for a lay-up, MAKE the lay-up. more often than not, he'd drive and be too out of control and look for the ref to bail him out. i think the refs are more likely to give the and-1 rather than call a shooting foul-- that's IMO.
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  1. caseyholdahl
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    Posted 05/27/2010 9:38 AM

    Jerryd is going to work like a madman on his jumper this offseason, which is great, but his real maturation is going to come playing behind Andre Miller without having to worry about losing minutes to Steve Blake. There's simply no substitute for consistent minutes.
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  1. Dan Harbison
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    Posted 05/27/2010 11:16 AM

    Agreed Casey, those minutes will really help. Looking at his offensive game, I think two pieces that need improvement.

    1) When going to the hole, Jerryd tends to draw contact, and shy away from the rim (Jarrett Jack would do the same) instead of leaning into the rim. Jerryd has the jumping ability to finish strong, with two hands and flush some of those looks, but draws the contact and avoids... refs don't give him the call if he's trying to avoid that contact.

    2) Outside shot/jumper. His midrange game does need help, but his deep ball especially. He improved on that shot this season, but in Nate's system, if that ball is getting swung around, and he's spotted up, he needs to drain that in the high 30%'s, not 31.5%.

    On defense I think he's our quickest defender. With that being said, we saw that he had the tendency to get into foul trouble when facing quicker guards. Either that comes from being out of position, not moving your feet, or taking too many chances and reaching. I would love to see him improve this side of his game so small guards (Aaron Brooks, Brandon Jennings, both Warrior guards) don't light us up.

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/27/2010 11:20 AM

    As for the defensive end, I think he gives one of the best efforts on the team. He's seemingly goes all-out all the time, but has a tendency to get too physical and the referees haven't yet gave him more leeway with his aggressive nature on defense which ends up in a lot of blocking/reaching fouls.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/27/2010 11:32 AM

    Question is is he a good point guard? If not will he be? I suggest he isn't a good point guard. Yes, he is at times a "go to guy" when the team needs a basket, but a good point guard, No he isn't and I don't think he has the mentality to be one. I think we trade him for blake (joke, kinda) I like how blake ran the team as a TRUE POINT, like with assists and good timely jump shots. My point is, do we need another guard who is "coming up" and will be really good IF ONLY HE DID?????. I think bayless is a good piece to package, what for? Maybe a true inside post player (if Oden doesn't recover). Yes he scored 29 one time and 31 another times but what we need is an inside rough consistent 15-20 points every night. Bayless will provide you with flashes of INDIVIDUAL " GUNNING FOR THAT NUMBER ONE SPOT" type game but point guard-no. All to say the thing he should work on is finding a good real estate agent.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 05/27/2010 12:05 PM

    Prior to this season, he's never really been given a shot to prove he can be a point guard. a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio in the playoffs against a Suns defense that's giving Lakers trouble says something. Blake had a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio when he played for us. He's capable and he's ready now. Just look out for him next season. More minutes for him spells Russel Westbrook transformation.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/27/2010 2:57 PM

    How many assists did blake average though? I don't think Bayless will average this and He doesn't run the TEAM WELL. The question is what kind of second unit do you want to run? one where Bayless get's the ball dribbles for 20 seconds and then tries to get a shot by driving into the lane. IT only worked because it wasn't scouted it wont work consistently. so he needs a consistent jumper right well it seems the second unit is filled with jump shooters. which makes my point we need low post presence, not another guard. Westbrook is stronger and more talented than Bayless and he gets the ball to durant pretty consistently as point. Again the question is will Bayless run the second unit as a point who can pass, shoot, play defense, have floor vision, call plays, and improvise.  kid/nash/paul/rondo/nelson/fisher/parker/bibby/miller etc all have been trained and are perfecting these point guard traits. bayless in my eyes can drive the ball, look for the whistle or through the ball away.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/27/2010 3:04 PM

    I wrote through the ball away. I meant THROW the ball away. Remember that in clutch time next year.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 05/27/2010 3:06 PM

    Posted By kenny c. on 05/27/2010 11:32 AM
    Question is is he a good point guard? If not will he be? I suggest he isn't a good point guard. Yes, he is at times a "go to guy" when the team needs a basket, but a good point guard, No he isn't and I don't think he has the mentality to be one. I think we trade him for blake (joke, kinda) I like how blake ran the team as a TRUE POINT, like with assists and good timely jump shots. My point is, do we need another guard who is "coming up" and will be really good IF ONLY HE DID?????. I think bayless is a good piece to package, what for? Maybe a true inside post player (if Oden doesn't recover). Yes he scored 29 one time and 31 another times but what we need is an inside rough consistent 15-20 points every night. Bayless will provide you with flashes of INDIVIDUAL " GUNNING FOR THAT NUMBER ONE SPOT" type game but point guard-no. All to say the thing he should work on is finding a good real estate agent.

    Portland doesn't need this mythical "TRUE Point Guard" I keep hearing everyone talk about. Our superstar handles the ball enough to not warrant a lead guard who plays with the ball in his hands at all times. If Bayless can get his 3 pt shot to around 40%, he'll be the perfect PG for this team. A player who can create his own shot, get to the foul line, find the open man, and knock down the open shot so teams can't double Roy. We need a guard who can play off the ball as well as on the ball with B-Roy.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 05/27/2010 9:07 PM

    i like Jerryd and the progress he made from his first to second year. he just needs to become a smarter player. hopefully during the off season -- in addition to working on his jumper -- he'll reflect on the experience of this season and better understand:

    1. how to defend while avoiding the unintelligent fouls. this will make make him a better all-around defender -- and player -- in the long run. it will also keep him on the court during the course of the game, rather than sitting on the bench with foul trouble.

    2. not to rush things when it's not there. our system is designed for the half-court game; trying to make things happen is a good thing, but there's also a time to pull back and set up for other options.

    i also think we are better served to have Jerryd play the backup role at both guard positions. provided we re-sign Patrick, he could give us a few minutes at pg, and Martell could give us a few minutes at sg if needed (remember, that was where he was playing for us originally).

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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 05/27/2010 11:51 PM

    It'd be nice if coach Nate quits giving him DNP's to start the season off.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/27/2010 11:53 PM

    I don't think mythical is the word we should use. We aren't talking about a religious figure that can't seem to be found in reality outside the wishes of the believers mind.What we are talking about are things of this world, facts like; we don't really have a superstar who can take over the game like a james, kobe, carmello etc, what we have is roy who is a really good player and alridge who is a good player and oden who maybe will be a good player all this equals a good TEAM. If this team plays the SYSTEM the percentages are on our side over the majority of the season for the team to get 50 plus wins. Good point guards can be witnessed in reality, we watch and can measure the stats. great point guards like, insert point guard's name here________. I'll give you two good point guards who aren't mythical, 1. Miller 2. deter both are on our team both have good stats to measure them to the job description and both can run the offense better than bayless. point gaurds run offenses. bayless is alright and he will probably just be alright for some time. off the ball player when roy has the ball-he can't shoot to well and we have enough shooters that roy can give the ball to in the double or triple team. Bayless is not portland's style, Golden state maybe. You say IF he can get to 40 % from 3 he will fit perfectly. so you want another three point shooter. I think the line there is pretty long. Now all the things you see in bayless aren't realities except getting to the rack, like in the out of control and hope for a foul type way. everything else you mentioned don't seem to be realities in bayless' case. so since we have one really good point and two back up point gaurds why not ship bayless for someone larger and more consistent? I think people like bayless because of his flash and he does have flash, but I would take consistent low light to a flash on flash off blinking light and so we should remind the league of the flashing light that bayless is and try to trade this flash for a consistent bulb you can turn on for awhile and get things done in it's light. OH, Just to respond to what you said. we have a whole team of guards who play off the ball.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 05/28/2010 12:26 PM

    Great point guards are not needed to win championships. Outside of Magic Johnson (not really a Pg, dude is 6'6"!) and Isaiah Thomas, which other teams were lead by point guards won titles? Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and even Oscar Robertson didn't win it until Kareem came to the Bucks. Point guard is a needed position but very very overrated in the grand scheme of things.
    Heck, Portland's greatest point guard ever, wasn't even a true point guard. Porter was a shoot first PG who found his teammates.
    Finally, I must disagree. We have no guards who can play off the ball (sans Roy) since 2009 when Blake and Rudy were bombing away 3's. Both guards hit massive slumps this past year and Webster is too streaky as well.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 05/28/2010 1:12 PM

    Kenny to answer your question he averaged about 3-4 assist a game. Bayless was averaging 4-5 assist per game in the playoffs.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/28/2010 4:32 PM

    good points and I think you are right on clydefrog and this is my point bayless can be traded for a bigger guard which isn't such a work in progress.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 05/28/2010 11:03 PM

    We could do that, but who would you replace Bayless with realistically?
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/29/2010 4:00 AM

    A Ginobli like player, I thought fernadez could have been this from watching him play for the spanish team but that game has disappeared . I'm a fan of bigger guards (6' 6") who can shoot, handle the ball, drive into the interior and create. Plus add size in defensive sets. To answer the question is kinda hard since I'm not sure on who's available, I'm mostly speaking in the ideal world here. I think if we packaged Rudy with Bayless we could get a bigger guard who would be ideal. Someone like batum but with more nba experience. But to answer who we could get I would have to get back to you on that. Don't get me wrong I don't hate bayless or think he is a bad player, I'm just not sold on him playing behind miller as point. And if he doesn't play point on the second squad I think the team is a little to small with him out there not in the point position.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/29/2010 4:36 AM

    I don't think a great point guard wins us a championship automatically, my point is that bayless isn't a good point guard. And we have miller and a couple of good back up point guards who can run an effective offense. my point is that bayless can be a good player to try and get one who would fit better with what it seems Nate is trying to consistently do on offense. A Response:Tony parker was needed for the Spurs to win the championships they did, fisher was needed for the lakers, rondo was effective a couple of years back and this year, everyone you named pushed their teams pretty far in the post season. Forget the word GREAT it's over rated how about effective, which bayless isn't as a point. Point guard is not an over rated position, we see this with the cavs, who's their point???? The best player on the planet and they are gone from the post season. Why ?  Maybe PART of the problem could be that the cav's don't have a good point guard. Championships are hard to come by in the nba, but look and see every team (except Bulls in the Jordan era-he was Jordan and we throw everything out the window) who has pushed deep has an effective point. I think this basic. What I mean by play off the ball is jump shots as opposed to creating and driving. we have a whole team that loves to jump shoot. True maybe it's in the mid 30's, but this is what we do as a team, we shoot jump shots. Do you mean that we aren't effective playing off the ball or do you mean we don't play this way. Because I agree slumps hurt us if we are jump shooting ourselves out of games. We do this because we have no inside game, but the answer isn't a 6'3 OUT OF CONTROL guard. it's getting a bigger guard, like roy, who can take it to the basket.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 05/29/2010 1:21 PM

    Kenny, who are the "couple of good back up point guards who can run an effective offense?" Mills and Deiner? Patrick has potential, but we need to bring him along. Travis D. will be released from the team as free agency starts. other than Jerryd, we have no other guard who can run the offense. our best move is to have Jerryd back up both guard positions, while giving Patrick some experience at the point. the pure fact is, we're not worse without Jerryd backing up the point; just a bit different.

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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 05/29/2010 2:22 PM

    Kenny, I'm not trying to flame you or anything...but you keep saying "effective point guard", "we can replace him with a better point guard" I just want to know who are you looking for out there that can replace Bayless. In my mind, for a back up point guard, there isn't anyone AVAILABLE that is better.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/29/2010 9:56 PM

    Posted By kenny c. on 05/29/2010 4:00 AM
    I'm a fan of bigger guards (6' 6") who can shoot, handle the ball, drive into the interior and create.

    We have that. His name is Brandon Roy. At 6'3", Bayless has pretty prototypical point guard size. His wingspan is not the greatest, which probably hurts him when he trying to defend or go in for a layup and needs every last inch to get it off, but we've already invested 2 years in him and his progression has been above par so far. I'd be pretty disappointed if we dealt Bayless, esp after his big time performance in the playoffs. Also, Jerryd strikes me as a player who would haunt us for the rest of his NBA career if we dealt him. He already plays with a chip on his shoulder and his eyes would light up every time the Blazers were up next on the schedule. 
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 05/29/2010 11:45 PM

    DON"T BAIL ON BAYLESS KP!! WE WANT RINGS, NOT SUB PAR JOBBERS
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/01/2010 1:32 PM

    With this being such a weak point guard draft class and free-agent crop, I'd be pretty stunned to see Jerryd moved. I think the organization wants to see how he handles being a full-time backup for an entire season.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 06/02/2010 2:52 AM

    Again, nail on the head. Next season is his make or break year
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