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Oct 17

Worldwide Clyde

By mikebarrett
During an offseason where we’ve had so much time to reflect on the past, honor NBA legends, attend special causes, and search for ways to continue to spread the game to the world, one thing is as clear as ever- once a Blazer, always a Blazer.

From attending charity golf tournaments with Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey, to watching Brian Grant go above and beyond to raise awareness (and money) for Parkinson’s, to participating in honoring Arvydas Sabonis, alongside Jim Paxson, Grant, Chris Dudley, and so many other players from our past, it was a special summer. 

Even though he spends much of his time now in Houston, Clyde Drexler certainly should be added to the list of former Blazers who are still as active as ever, working to promote the game that they love.  It’s all about staying close to, and giving back to, the NBA.

Recently, while he was the headliner at NBA Madness Philippines in Manila, I had the chance to speak with Clyde about this special event, and the many others that he dives into on a regular basis.  It’s not like this was his first trip abroad in support of the NBA, as he spent about five minutes listing off the many countries and cities that he’s visited over the past few years. 

“Connecting with our global fans is what is so rewarding about these events,” Drexler told me.  “It’s so amazing to me, every time I’ve been involved in something like this, how educated NBA fans are all over the world.  They know the game, and know the game’s history better than most people I know in the states.”

Clyde spends his time during the season as the TV analyst for the Houston Rockets, but only works home games.  Three years ago, when the Blazers played the Rockets in the playoffs, Clyde traveled with the team, and got a chance to spend a lot of time back at the Rose Garden.  The comment he heard the most?  “It looks like you can still play..” he remembers.  Being we get to see him twice a year, when we visit Houston, I can certainly attest to that. 

It’s not just the time on the golf course that keeps him in playing shape, it’s his tennis game that has always drawn rave reviews.  My TV partner, Mike Rice, used to battle Clyde on the tennis court, and to hear the two recount their old matches (over and over again) every time they see each other, is something we should record and show on a broadcast at some point. 

He can also still play, and teach, the game of basketball.  He hosts many clinics, and was a big part of teaching the game at the event in the Philippines.

“People would be amazed at how the game has spread to all corners of the world, and how good some of these young players are,” says Drexler.  “These kids are so coachable.  They soak it up like a sponge.  I’m here to give inspiration, motivation, and to remind kids that no matter where they come from, and what their circumstance is, they can do anything they put their minds to.”

If seeing the high-quality style of basketball in some of these countries doesn’t make the world seem smaller to Clyde, spotting an occasional old-school Drexler jersey in the crowd usual does. 

“It’s always amazing to see all the Blazer jerseys, and really just random NBA jerseys,” laughs Drexler.  “It would do players and owners in today’s NBA so much good to see what I’m seeing- basically the impact the league has in all corners of the world.”

Kind of like the impact he had in Portland during his playing days.

“Oh, what great times,” Clyde remembers.  “I think and talk about my time in Portland, as a Blazer, and even during retirement, all the time- constantly.  I have spent so much time in that city, I never really felt like I’ve left.  It’s a fan base you really can’t explain to someone else.  You simply have to experience it.  I’m so fortunate to have done that.”

As Blazer fans know, Clyde was part of arguably the most popular starting lineup in Blazers history.  During conversations with him, he speaks with great pride of how the five stayed involved over the years, and loves that they’re still so connected to Portland.  Kersey is a team ambassador, and is at so many of the team’s events.  Porter worked with us as a TV studio host and sideline reporter last season.  Buck Williams is an assistant coach.  And, of course, Kevin Duckworth, who passed away in the summer of 2008, was actually on the Blazers “Make it Better” Tour of the state at the time of his death.

“I think it’s great of Paul Allen to have involved so many of the great Blazers from the past in the organization,” says Clyde.  “Terry and Jerome love being involved, and are so special to the fans in Portland.  And Buck, to be on the coaching staff, is so great to see.  We’ll all forever be connected to the franchise, and I love that my former teammates have a big part in everything that’s going on today.”

For Clyde, this will continue.  As he always reminds me, he’s not going anywhere.  Splitting time in his hometown of Houston, and his adopted hometown of Portland, and carrying the flag for the league, is an honor.

“It’s actually a huge privilege for me,” Clyde says.  “To represent the league, and the game of basketball all over the world is so great.  To see the love these people have for the game is just amazing.”
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100 Comments

  1. Great blog Mike. It's been awhile, but we all know why.

    It's always nice to hear that past Blazers are doing well and still have a connection to the city and for them to compliment us fans. I don't think there was a single past Blazer that didn't enjoy this city except the ones during the era we shall never speak of.

    I remember having to watch the Houston broadcast once because of league pass and... well... he's a bit biased with his buddy there lol. I remember I think the first game last season in Houston, the Blazers had their struggles and won by about one or two points and Kevin Martin had a chance to make a game winning basket but missed. They cried foul.

    Anywho, hope to see more of these blogs, it's fun to read and brings back some of the Blazer feeling in me. Sadly, I don't think we're going to get an NBA season at all. I have no faith in Stern at all. He's all about money and his rigging of the NBA should be enough proof to get him arrested/fired but... apparently not.

    by Herr on 10/17/2011 10:36 AM
  2. Nice to hear from you Mike. Clyde has always been a favorite of mine. He has always been such a class guy. Sorry to hear that Sabas had a heart atttack.

    by Ancientone on 10/17/2011 11:00 AM
  3. Hey mike: great to read a blog from you. Clyde will always be a Blazer fan favorite. Things will get better. Then you will be saying Oh No, HG the blabbing machine is back LOL.

    by Hg on 10/17/2011 1:03 PM
  4. Herr: I think those guys of whom we do not speak enjoyed the city, but the city didn't enjoy them so much.
    --
    don

    by dgpdx on 10/17/2011 2:05 PM
  5. Great blog post Mike. Clyde is my all-time favorite for sure and yes, great that all 5 of that great starting team from the 90s were/are connected to the team. even the players that stayed with us for a relatively short time say how special the organization and fans are - the Blazer family is truly special. So of course, long-time members of the family, regardless if they moved on to other teams or retired with the red, white and black, can't help keeping touch with the team/city adn of course, the league at large.

    Good to see a post!

    -Anees, from Portland - oh, that'll be Dr. Anees now by the way :-) (studying for the board exams at present, so not working quite yet)

    by Anees on 10/19/2011 7:34 PM
  6. Always good to hear from you, Mike. I sure hope we get to hear a lot of you and Coach Rice during the next six to seven months -- into at least May this season.
    --
    don

    by dgpdx on 10/21/2011 11:11 PM
  7. Hi Mike,
    Good to hear from you. Thinking about the Blazer family. The past. From Larry Steele to Rudy and all in between. The present. Where are they? How are they? How the time for ball is here yet the RG is quiet. The future. It's anyone's guess. Times are a changing.

    by Divotking on 10/23/2011 7:53 PM
  8. Rudy mindless again...
    http://www.elmundo.es/multimedia/?media=tvWme80vjsT

    by sopadeajo on 10/24/2011 7:41 AM
  9. Looks like the rest of the November schedule is history. Is there a fund set up so we can donate to the families of Rose Garden workers and all the others who are going to be screwed financially while the owners and players hardly notice?

    Oh, and don't forget the broadcasters ;-)
    --
    don

    by dgpdx on 10/24/2011 8:03 PM
  10. missin my B's....wahhhhhhh.Great to hear that the Blazer family is spreading basketball love all over the world.Hope this finds you all doing well.
    It looks like I'll be following college bball this year...lol.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/26/2011 6:51 AM
  11. Looked like there was some hope the lockout would end, but if was a false hope. Bummer. Would think when the economy is like it is the NBA wouldn't add to it.

    by mgb on 10/29/2011 8:05 AM
  12. Some of the older players, like union mouthpiece Derek Fisher, might want to think twice about missing an entire season (which might make last season their own last season). Their teams may have to pay them, but they don't have to play them...
    --
    don

    by dgpdx on 10/31/2011 9:59 PM
  13. Funny how different people think. To me I respect the older players for standing up to what they beleive is right and for the players to come rather than caving for their own personal good.

    by mgb on 10/31/2011 11:41 PM
  14. i know sad but true.

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/1/2011 10:09 PM
  15. As I wrote earlier, a 50-50 split seems perfectly fair. The league itself is more important than either owners or players and both groups are equally necessary for the league to exist.

    by dgpdx on 11/1/2011 11:06 PM
  16. It was 57-47. The players want to split it evenly, half way is 52. If the owners jump back to 47 I wouldn't stick at 52, or 52.5, I would say ok, lets go back to 57-47 and negotiate from there. Stipud to now negotiate from 47-52.5 which the owners seem to want to do and which means the will get a even split they want at 50 in this position. Doesn't make sense to the players. Why give up what the players already had?

    by mgb on 11/2/2011 9:43 AM
  17. For the long-term health of the league is my reason. As it is now, only the well-off can afford to attend games. Last I heard, it cost around $250 for a family of four to attend a Laker game -- including parking and a hot dog and a coke for each person. And that's not for the expensive seats. It's becoming a rich person''s game, both to play and to watch.

    by dgpdx on 11/2/2011 11:04 AM
  18. Maybe we should have less games, lockout every year. I've only been to a few NFL games, all at Seattle against the Cowboys, 2 regular season and one playoff. Been to a ton of Blazers games being STH, but believe me I wish the season started on time!!

    GO BLAZERS!!!

    by mgb on 11/2/2011 12:47 PM
  19. Now some are talking about decertifying the player's union. If that happens, those players who want to play can come into camp, if the owners are willing. The rest can do whatever they want. Suits me fine.

    by dgpdx on 11/3/2011 10:31 PM
  20. I think right now players can come to camp if owners are willing, after all they made it a lockout.

    So I think it'd be if the players agree to their offer then they'll be allowed back.

    by mgb on 11/3/2011 11:23 PM
  21. Can we watch some basketball now? Go blazers

    by Miller on 11/9/2011 1:27 PM
  22. by Miller on 11/9/2011 1:27 PM
  23. Clyde was traded just as i was beginning to watch the blazers, but i know he's always been iconic among fans and in the community. i'm not surprised to see him out and about representing the blazers.

    one thing which always bothers me about the national perception of Clyde is that people tend to refer to him as a houston rocket first, and a blazer ... well, whenever they get around to it. i know he played with portland nearly four times as long as with houston, so that certainly seems unbalanced; even if he did win a championship with them.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 11/9/2011 2:31 PM
  24. @mgb, i agree with you. when we look at the concessions the players have made, we see that the players have lost and the owners have already gained. now, the owners want to keep gaining even more. from the verified accounts of progress on the cba, they players have made every concession and the owners have not. at this point, i don't blame the players one bit for finally drawing their line in the sand.

    i brought this up last blog, but i think i'll repeat both points:

    1. there are 450 people in a world of seven billion who make an nba roster each year. that's it. that's purely a select group. the more select, the more demand, and the more demand, the more they can and should be able to demand. it doesn't bother me at all that they've previously asked for what they've gotten.

    2. over the past 10-15 years, teams and the league have created the current problem of lost revenue with higher contracts, et al. they created this problem to begin with. if the league is losing money it's because it has been grossly mismanaged as of late (time to fire out-of-date Stern). essentially, the owners/league have dug themselves into this hole and are now attempting to extort the players into digging them out of it. that, as Stern so seemingly loves to say, is what you call "not bargaining in good faith."

    it also should be noted, on the bri issue, that the players wished to divide their portion among 450 of them (they also want some to pay for retired players' benefits). on the other hand, the owners are looking to divide their portion among just the 30 of them. 450+ vs. 30. that's what it comes down to. fair? no, not really in the least.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 11/9/2011 2:51 PM
  25. i tend to side with the owners. afterall, they incur ALL of the risk. i understand players not wanting to give up what they already have but i don't feel sorry for them one bit in making a pay cut. they play a GAME and get paid millions! us fans pay way too much to watch millionaires play BASKETBALL.

    i do think the owners are at fault for the over inflated salaries. paul allen has grossly contributed to this problem but i understand why. we're a small market. things need to be changed to make the league more fair across the board. contracts need to be shorter. it's time to pull in the reigns.

    i hope the nba takes a big hit like netflex did. the last two years i've paid for nba league pass. if a deal is made and there is a season this year i will not renew my subscription and i will not care who the champions are. they all failed us fans and owe us a huge apology and reduced prices.

    as a fan i feel foolish for caring about the blazers so much. the NBA is a greedy organization. there i was with an extended hand with money in it so i could watch basketball but no one would take it because they were too busy fighting over a few percent. well that money is back in my wallet where it belongs

    shame on you NBA for making this mess. where caring too much about money happens.

    by thedanman on 11/10/2011 5:38 AM
  26. Each side can take some blame, I really don't care, I just want the season to start!!

    GO BLAZERS!!!

    by mgb on 11/10/2011 11:17 AM
  27. Labor contract negotiations are no fun. Emotions get involved. At the end of the day both parties usually agree to terms either side is happy with. I am just the average fan waiting for the season to start. Get it done. Play some ball.

    by Divotking on 11/13/2011 8:55 PM
  28. Well this season is looking Grim. As a fan of the players, I can see some of their points, and respect that they want money to be put to the side for retired players. But I also agree with Danman about how owners do take all the risk, the small market teams are losing vast amounts of money. To me, both sides are losing. Both sides are right and wrong. And while the players have amazing talent, which I respect greatly, and I do, I typically attend 12-15 home games a season. I usually get decent seats, lower 200 corner..or 100 level about 8-12 rows behind players&scoretable. So I pay good money to see my Blazers play the game of basketball.

    Last weekend I drove down to Portland to watch the Lamarcus Rip City charity game, to show some support and watch some nba players play. But still this is a GAME... and frankly they all get payed too much money in my opinion. No reason for anyone..I dont care how good you are...to be making 20 million a year from bball alone, nevermind those guys make more money from endorsements. If you cant live off couple million a year, then you need some financial consulting. Ive lived off 50k ayear for quite some time, I grew up rough in Alakas, never once had silver spoon in my mouth, and to see people who are filthy rich argue day and night over matters that could be easily diverted if both sides had open minds is pathetic. The owners are at fault, and so are the players...and the people losing bigtime right now are the fans, as well as the lesser known team employees as well as venders that depend on a majority of their income during the basketball season.

    by whitefeather21380 on 11/14/2011 3:06 PM
  29. That swirling sound you hear is the NBA season going down the drain. See y'all next October, I hope.
    --
    don

    by dgpdx on 11/14/2011 9:36 PM
  30. Ya, I think both sides are to blame, but I don't think ultimatums help anything. Kind of makes it looks like the owners are not willing to compromise at all. We need to keep talking and try to find a deal that both sides are happy with, not just take it and eat it or else you'll eat worse.

    by mgb on 11/14/2011 10:47 PM
  31. Hey MGB:
    I think you are right, ultimatums are hard to swallow. It may have been the ultimatum more then the proposal that soured the players. Of course it could also have been that Stern used ultimatums so much that the players thought he was just bluffing.

    I don't understand the whole Litigation bit, we need Kassandra's input. I did read that the lawyers from both sides could settle out of court, maybe like a divorce or civil suit, and that might make it quicker.

    I am kind of like Don, hopefully by next Oct.

    by Hg on 11/15/2011 3:21 AM
  32. Yeah I did not like the whole "ultimatum" situation. That is unprofessional in my opinion. Also I think we can all agree that David Stern has been a bad commissioner for quite some time. Hes just bad for the league IMO. Dividing money up among all 450 players would be nice to see as well. If your the star player, then yes you should get payed more..but when you have a team where your top player is making 15-20 million a year vs 500,000 ayear..thats too huge of a gap. So that money needs to be shared "alittle" more equally mind you. I would like to see money go towards retirement for the players as well.

    There needs to be some give and take from both owners and players. I want to see a league where all teams can compete fairly. Both sides deserve equal profits. Owners- They build and buy franchises, put pieces together, take the risks..thats alot of responsibility I think. Players- They are the ones us fans go to see!!..they are the entertainment and their talent level is rare, so that is their bargaining chip.

    Well see how it goes...on one hand I hated seeing ultimatums be passed out...but I also did not like see the players quickly go to disbandment...I am sure their are alot of players out there...unheard right now who would want to continue to work things out, I have heard that alot of it has to do with player's agents, what they want. Their influence seems to have bogged down some things. Time will tell..hopefully the season is not over..too much finger pointing, not enough results. Sad.

    by whitefeather21380 on 11/15/2011 12:52 PM

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  43. sorry, my kb feel and pulling it up it hit enter a lot. color me embarrass.

    I wanted to say I don't like decer either, but it's like hte only card the players have. The owners have a stack deck and hopefully this will get both sides back to the table.

    I hope admin can delete all my mistakes

    by mgb on 11/15/2011 1:02 PM
  44. Shame on both sides. What ever happened to the idea of delivering a product at a fair price. How much money do you really need? Players do ONE thing really well. Play ball. They get payed really well. Can't they provide for their families with the income they receive? American greed. Its everywhere. Bad timing.

    by Divotking on 11/15/2011 4:41 PM
  45. I really wish everybody would make peace as soon as possible and begin to play.

    As we all know players do earn so much money, they should not protest and begin to play now. No more waiting. Protests must be made if injustice reigns. Not else. (Sorry for my bad English)

    by sopadeajo on 11/18/2011 2:00 PM
  46. The league, players or owners. They don't provide something we need. Water, power, transportation or food. People will go elsewhere for entertainment.

    by Divotking on 11/25/2011 8:03 AM
  47. I suppose i'm honored that Hg solicited my input above. i'm glad to provide it, given that there are some things i feel could be cleared up and/or clarified.

    first of all, are the owners are not the only ones putting forth all the risk? you might want to run that little morsel past former blazers such as Lloyd Neal and Rick Roberson. sure, the owners are putting up the money (only in an attempt to make a profit) and there is something to be said for that. however, despite what you may have heard, there's more to life than money. how about happiness? health?

    Neal retired early (at 28 years old) because of knee injuries which, at least for a time, had him relying on the use of a wheelchair. though in reading a few bios, i don't think he is complaining, he put his body and physical health on the line and paid for it in the long run with his injuries.

    a former neighbor of mine lives in southern california and for a short time lived across the street from Roberson (who played center) a few years ago in fullerton. i looked up Roberson's history and, statistically speaking, had the best year of his seven-year NBA career in portland in 1993-94 (13.5 points and 10.2 rebounds per game). of course, following that season, the blazers drafted Bill Walton and Roberson moved on to new orleans and kansas city before retiring. my friend told me a while back of a couple of conversations he had with Roberson, describing him as a polite and nice guy who keeps a basketball hoop in his driveway so that neighborhood kids could come and shoot any time they want. he said he "likes to hear the sound of the ball being dribbled outside." the problem is, because of his time playing basketball, Roberson has rheumatoid arthritis. i'm told a once 6'9" player now walks with a slow gait and is chronically hunched over.

    so, to say that the owners take all the risks in the nba is shortsighted and, in the least, blatantly inaccurate. it's even been noted that the impact of his knees from his playing days as left Bill Walton with a degree of difficulty when it comes to something as simple as walking.

    i suppose you could make the case that it's the players choose to play, even with the risk of injury, whether debilitating in the long-term or not. i don't see that as a valid argument. after all, if the owners want to make a dicey business decision such as purchasing an nba team. certainly there are more lucrative business investments out there.

    the bottom line is that owners are, essentially, fans with money. they put up some of that money to buy a team and assume some potential financial risk. if they lose a percentage on their investment, they write if off on their taxes. unlike the players, however, the owners assume absolutely no physical risks whatsoever -- that all falls upon the players.

    i should add that when it comes to the players' share of the basketball related income (bri), the players intend for a portion of the share to benefit former players in their health and retirement benefits. when i point out former players, i mention those amongst the likes of Neal and Roberson.

    compared to players' long-term health, a small financial loss accompanied with a tax write-off us a very small price to pay. and even if they don't make as much money on their investment, they always have their health. the same cannot be said for the players.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 11/25/2011 7:20 PM
  48. Miss Kassandra, I thank you for that input. I remember Neal playing. I vaguely remember Roberson.

    The players has a very short career, and as you said the not only at health risk, but always looking over their shoulder to see if someone better is popping up. Their Million dollar contract can disappear in a wink of an eye.

    Good to hear from you Kassandra, I looked for you in the Sanford-Oregon football game, but of course I knew I would never find you. sorry that Oregon stifled Luck so bad that he couldn't get his game going, but of course I am not sorry that Oregon won.

    I know you are doing OK in school. I don't even worry about you.

    Glad to be able to read your post again. It must be about time for another blog from you.

    bye for now

    by Hg on 11/25/2011 8:16 PM
  49. Wooohoooo!! Games again! Can't wait for a blast from the present! Come on MB gives us a blog that has something to do with now cow! HEHEH. Talk about players again! I'm ready for some basketball!!!

    FINALLY GO BLAZERS!!!

    by mgb on 11/26/2011 2:35 AM
  50. See all we needed was the famous Miss Kassandra's INPUT to get the ball rolling or in this Case dribbling.

    MGB: I just made a bet with my wife that Mike would have a new blog out by the time the civil war game starts. Wanta bet a beer on it LOL.

    by Hg on 11/26/2011 2:40 AM
  51. Is it real? Boom shockalocka! Scoop to the hoop! Lickity brindle up the middle! Climb the golden ladder! RIP CITY!! For a minute I thought it was r.i.p. city. Merry Christmas to all.
    To Kassandra; You said the owners are "only in it to make a profit". I couldn't disagree more. They are businessmen that made their money in other ways than basketball. Owning a team is a toy to play with. Being good businessmen, they don't want to lose money.

    by Divotking on 11/26/2011 9:04 AM
  52. @divotking

    They also use it as legal tax deductions by showing losses against their whole business. They get their toys and more money to play with.

    by Hg on 11/26/2011 9:26 AM
  53. The Glide! Great article MB. If not for that man and those Blazers teams, I am not sure where my life would be today in terms of the influence that basketball has played. He is still just as impressive as ever and it's safe to say the game is in good hands.

    by Bull Frog on 11/26/2011 12:04 PM
  54. Hey, Hg, you already owe me a beer and I haven't seen it! :)

    I should bet you, but I'll not take advantage. From what I heard the teams still have a gag enforced until it's official so probably nothing until past the weekend.

    by mgb on 11/26/2011 12:07 PM
  55. Hg; True. My point is, owners of pro teams are not owners to make a living. It's a play thing. However, being who they are even their toys can't lose money.

    by Divotking on 11/26/2011 12:08 PM
  56. @Hg, thank you. i wanted to write something substantive, and i needed an angle and found one.

    @Divotking: if owners purshase their teams as just a "toy" as you say (i doubt a single one of them would agree with you), then they shouldn't be whining about losing money like they have been. sorry, your theory just doesn't hold water; it's inconsistent with the tone and progress of the cba negotiations.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 11/26/2011 1:22 PM
  57. hey guys, thought i'd add a link to the blog i wrote in the wee hours of the morning regarding the two sides coming to the tentative agreement. check it out and feel free to comment:

    http://tinyurl.com/83wwaz9

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 11/26/2011 1:22 PM
  58. Kass;
    Name one owner whose sole income is an nba team. The money to buy a team was made elsewhere. With the exception of MJ. Even most of his was made with endorsements. I have heard no "whining" as you say. They are successful businessmen. Even their hobbies can't lose money. Making huge profits is not the motivating factor to own an nba team.

    by Divotking on 11/26/2011 3:27 PM
  59. Kass;
    Name one owner whose sole income is an nba team. The money to buy a team was made elsewhere. With the exception of MJ. Even most of his was made with endorsements. I have heard no "whining" as you say. They are successful businessmen. Even their hobbies can't lose money. Making huge profits is not the motivating factor to own an nba team.

    by Divotking on 11/26/2011 3:27 PM
  60. I don't think anyone is saying that there are owners whose sole income is owning a team. I didn't read one thing in Kassandra's responses that would make me think that's her position. In fact, DivotKing, it looks like you're the one who insinuated that owners could lose money by playing with their toy.

    You said: "You said the owners are "only in it to make a profit". I couldn't disagree more. They are businessmen that made their money in other ways than basketball. Owning a team is a toy to play with. Being good businessmen, they don't want to lose money."

    You make it sound like you disagree that the owners are only in it to make a profit. You make it sound like the owners don't mind whether they make money, but that they would simply rather make money than lose.

    Kassandra was saying that the owners' greed during the negotiations is "inconsistent" with your point of view. I certainly agree with her point.

    by milwaukiejessi on 11/27/2011 9:36 AM
  61. Well I am just happy to see that both sides are coming to an agreement, and we Blazer fans can get to see some basketball here real soon. Thank you for your input Kassandra, going that extra mile to explain some things. In the couple years I have been on this blog, you have appeared to be a intelligent woman with some good ideas&comments. That being said, I am just a jock lol.....more street-smarts that book-smart, who doesn't understand the whole dilemma between the 2 parties.

    But guess its moot point now, time to watch some basketball :) I kinda wish we could pick up Nene at center. Anyways here's to a short season of injury free wonderful basketball by our Portland TrailBlazers.

    by whitefeather21380 on 11/29/2011 12:42 AM
  62. yay ...........lets get those lawyers to finalize so we can get back to being fans.....

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/29/2011 6:55 AM
  63. rumors goin round that Blazers will use amnesty clause to waive BRoy...I understand the fiscal part........but it hurts my heart to see one of the biggest class acts in sports and the face of the Post JailBlazer era leave us .Hope it is just a rumor..

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/29/2011 7:06 AM
  64. Hey Vinnie:
    Great to hear from you,
    It is an on going debate on BE about the future of BRoy. Kassandra, formerly 500 dogs, and I have been slashing it out---Join us, Fivehundreddogs is using Adam Randall as his handle. Kassandra and I are using the same name.

    by Hg on 11/29/2011 9:09 AM
  65. Tough to say about Roy. Might be best to wait a year and see what he has left after such a long time for rehab. I would come over too, but I wasn't invited. :(

    GO BLAZERS!!

    by mgb on 11/29/2011 9:48 AM
  66. Oh, btw, can't wait to see a healthy Oden! Might take pressure off of Roy too when Oden comes back. So many variables.

    GO BLAZERS!!

    by mgb on 11/29/2011 9:49 AM
  67. MGB you are always invited. It is better then reading about history.

    My only debate is to wait and find out. Not before this season starts. A shortened season with new players, considering Greg as being new, Felton being new to the Blazers, Smith, GW is relatively new, Wesley, Williams, Camby and BRoy is back from injury so we don't know what any of them will bring. We need to balance our team and get some bigs, It may be a month before Greg is ready, So why would you want to waive BRoy before this year when at least he can bring some leadership on and off the floor this year. We don't even know if he can morph, or if he is just half morphed or if he can play at all. If the Brass has scouted him and has determined he is not capable of playing, then so be it, by all means get it done.

    by Hg on 11/29/2011 10:08 AM
  68. Yeah latest word is the Warriors want Broy if the Blazers let him go. His former agent is GM over there now. The rumors seem to be increasing as time goes on, so thats never good.

    As a Blazers fan I feel they should give Roy 1 more year, lets see him on full rest and with healthy Oden and LA. Thats what weve been waiting for. The Blazers are going to pay him 8 million I think this year, heck I thought I we were paying Darius Miles like 14 a year through that horrible mess, so its worth it to keep Roy to see what he can do. Thats my gut opinion anyways.

    by whitefeather21380 on 11/29/2011 1:37 PM
  69. OMG,just got a text from a good friend named Frank.He is more of a concert goer than a basketball fan.He will call me up and say for instance"Black Crowes Schnitzer,We're there"....He 'll pick up ticks ,won't ever let me pay him ever.just A super good Joe.
    Anyways ,just got a text from Frank and it said "Blazers-Heat"March 1st.....We're there"...couldn't freakin believe it...didn't think I'd see many or any games this year.....what a gift from the basketball gods...........Blessed...
    Wowsers:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/29/2011 2:52 PM
  70. so we have a season, woopteedoo. this season sucks because almost half of it was lost due to greed. the champions will be champions of the "short season, almost no season." i still love the blazers but i'm much more grounded after this latest NBA debacle.

    a quick response for kasandra. i tore my acl and have torn ligaments in my feet and ankles playing basketball for free. i didn't have professional trainers and top notch doctors at my beck and call. the enjoyment of the game was worth the "risk". i should have been more clear and said "financial risk" in my earlier note. taking the physical risk for the enormous pay is a slam dunk no brainer. what's their alternative?

    these guys CAN'T make close to what they get in the NBA working another job. a small one year contract can give a player $500,000 and they mostly warm the bench! that's just nuts. that would take me ten or more years as a teacher, not playing professional basketball.

    all of you die hard blazers, i commend you for hanging in there and keeping the love alive but for now i'm gonna sulk and skip watching this season cause this season tastes terrible. i'll follow the stats and stories but i'm not about to pay a single penny for NBA basketball this.

    go blazers! boo NBA






    by thedanman on 11/30/2011 12:50 AM
  71. Danman....I think lockouts kill fans..We all work regular jobs w regular pay scales.It is hard watching them fight over money when they are all so rich..the greed kills me.Still love my Blazers.I think it is important to take a stand, tho.im sure a lot of fans are jaded after this.

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/30/2011 6:55 AM
  72. A nice piece on Freeland http://beyondthebeat.net/articles-2011/november/joel-freeland-the-one-big-man-portland-needs-but-cant-seem-to-get.html

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/30/2011 7:55 AM
  73. What Free agents do you ladie s and gents think we should be looking at.Power Forward?Backup point.Center?Landry,Howard(stretch),What about Oden? Is Pryz coming back?Talk to me ,lets get this party started.

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/30/2011 8:27 AM
  74. be back in 8

    by DowntownVinnie on 11/30/2011 8:28 AM
  75. Yeah I dont like the taste this lockout has given me either. But Im still going to watch the Blazers and go to few games, need some outlet for the northwest rainy season! Anyhoo It looks like Roy is gone, so far its all but confirmed and fans are hitting Paul Allen on twitter pretty hard.

    I had this crazy dream when Roy,Oden,LA came into to the Blazers. I was thinking along the lines of, is this the next Drexler-Kersey-Duckworth?....were gonna get a title contender team back! But dam injuries. I remember Jack Ramsey saying that if the Blazers didnt get hurt in 78 we would have won that year too,instead of Seattle, and everyone stayed healthy the chances of winning a few titles in the late 70s would have been very very good.

    In the late 80's and 90's it wasnt really injuries, just teams that ended up playing "alittle" better lol. Lakers were always in the way, and then when we got to the finals we either had the bad boys from Detroit or Michael Jordan's Bulls.....who knows how many titles we win if things get changed ever so slightly..or forbid we got MJ and had Drexler at sf, which he played anyways back then often...ANYWAYS..im getting away from topic alittle..

    I just miss seeing Brandon go...and Oden is yet to be determined. We have seen what he can do healthy..for what? 30-40 games he was quite impressive and if he can stay healthy who knows. ALOT of what ifs...gotta play with what we got, still got a pretty darn good team.

    by whitefeather21380 on 11/30/2011 2:01 PM
  76. I'm just happy that everyone got their heads out of their butts to finally get the deal done. The league must have got pressure by sponsors and didn't want to lose out on Xmas day games and all the money that went with it and stop giving ultimatums and finally did some negotiating.

    At any rate I'm not so sure Roy is gone as some seem to be. I sure wouldn't believe a word Crapzona writes. When I hear someone say they have a source I just think they are writing what they would do and try to give it some authority. But I'm calling BS!

    GO BLAZERS!!!

    by mgb on 11/30/2011 2:12 PM
  77. Danman;
    Right on! Lets talk "risk" takers. Policeman, fireman, steelworkers, electricians, miners, the list goes on and on. Anyone who has had an on the job injury and/or life changing health issues understand the risk. It's called living.

    by Divotking on 11/30/2011 6:06 PM
  78. whitefeather, the dream of roy,aldridge, and oden had me dreaming and reflecting on the glorious golden days of the drexler/porter/porter/williams/duckworth era too! oh, the would have could haves just sting. outlaw and webster never became what we had hoped and oden and roy have been hammered with debilitating injuries.

    i think it's time to get back to the drawing board and scrap our old plans. that includes scrapping roy. simply put, he is not worth his contract. i don't doubt that he will continue to have games where he breaks out and takes over but over the long haul it is "highly" unlikely that he can play at a high level for a sustained period of time.
    roy almost single handedly changed the reputation of the blazers and deserves all the respect in the world but the time has come to part ways.

    now who can we get for cheap that is tougher than tough? pryzbilla. it's no secret that he loves portland, the fans love him, he doesn't care about money, and he is one of the fiercest competitors that brings professionalism, leadership, and sacrifice to a team.

    go blazers!

    by thedanman on 12/1/2011 7:22 AM
  79. @thedanman
    As all of us has to morph as we change as in old age for me. BRoy may be able to Morph as the result of injury. If he can become an outside shooting specialist, rely on his teammates more, Set up the offense for LMA whether then himself, then IMO, the team would be better then it was when he was ISO king. Of course we don't know if that can happen but it is worth a look see.

    I fully agree on your assessment of Joel.

    by Hg on 12/1/2011 8:09 AM
  80. http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33606582
    Some GO info

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/1/2011 8:10 AM
  81. Hg ,I think the spot up shooter is more likely.In all my optimism , I'm afraid BRoy might not ever be the iso king he once was....

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/1/2011 8:12 AM
  82. Vinnie,

    That's probably for the best since it means it'll be more of a team effort on offfense.

    by mgb on 12/1/2011 8:44 AM
  83. Vinnie,

    Thanks for the link. Basically it was a rehash of Miller's press conference. That is what people should watch on the Blazers main page.

    GO BLAZERS!!!

    by mgb on 12/1/2011 8:51 AM
  84. Vinnie Are you saying that BRoy should become downtownbrandon, LOL.
    IMO, BRoy is a great shooter, and since we are always talking about going inside out, and always looking at outside shooting specialist, and although BRoy is getting Max salary, if he can become a Ray Allen, then the Max contract would fit.

    MGB: what do you think?

    by Hg on 12/1/2011 8:54 AM
  85. Hg,

    It depends on how Roy is physically. If his knees are totally blown, then yes that would be his role, but he hasn't been on the floor for quite a while. Perhaps he just came back to soon. There has been reports that he is doing much better now. I don't think it'd be wise to go to him all the time ISO, but that doesn't mean he can't be a outside shooter that involves the team and once in a while do ISO like he did in the 4th playoff game. We hear so many rumors, but don't know what is fact and what isn't. Only time will tell. I know like Oden, I hate to see Roy killing us on another team, but if it's best for the team we might have to cut him. As I said, time will tell. The team can start to check him out and see where he's at.

    by mgb on 12/1/2011 1:02 PM
  86. Thank you MGB;

    Those are about the same thoughts I have.

    by Hg on 12/1/2011 1:22 PM
  87. Yes ,Hg ,downtown Brandon..for sure

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/1/2011 3:59 PM
  88. Vinnie, sounds good to me as long as BRoy can stay.

    by Hg on 12/1/2011 4:08 PM
  89. I do realize that Brandon will more than likely not be the same. But I am hoping he still can contribute. Ive been reading some articles, how accurate they are, whos to say, but it seems like the Blazers might not lose much money if they keep him, regarding salary and taxes and being under the limit. Obviously Paul Allen is gonna run some numbers, hopefully see where Roy is at and go from there.

    I would love to see Joel and Jeff back in a Blazer uniform next year, and I think chances are good they get one of them at least.

    by whitefeather21380 on 12/1/2011 8:02 PM
  90. @whitefeather:I am hoping it will be Joel.

    by Hg on 12/1/2011 8:34 PM
  91. Watched that story on Wayman Tisdale on NBA tv. Wow...All i gotta say is if you watch that entire episode and you dont tear up, your not human. I watched him play in the nba, and always thought of him as talented player, but what an amazing human being he was. So positive and full of life.

    by whitefeather21380 on 12/1/2011 11:51 PM
  92. yeah MGB sorting fact from fiction is what keeps this blog rockin:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/2/2011 6:40 AM
  93. Tisdale was an amazing musician as well .
    whitefeather.....twitter said yesterday that they are looking at Joel over Chuck Hayes .....

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/2/2011 6:43 AM
  94. For those of you who have questions....http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/12/1/2604244/how-the-new-cba-rules-affect-the-trail-blazers

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/2/2011 6:48 AM
  95. For those of you who have questions....http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/12/1/2604244/how-the-new-cba-rules-affect-the-trail-blazers

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/2/2011 6:48 AM
  96. Whitefeather: i appreciate the kind words. my mind works analytically, so i think (and hope) that's how it comes out. since the beginning of the lockout, i would see people post one or two lines about either or both side. the intricacies of a cba negotiation go far beyond that. i also very much agree with you about Nene. i really like his game and think he would be a great compliment to LaMarcus. Marcus and Chris Johnson could back up both positions. that doesn't sound all that bad to me.

    Hg, mgb: it's funny how people seem to think they "know" Brandon's injury status. obviously, that cannot be. i remember several months ago MB mentioned that Brandon's situation is probably more mental than physical. i'm not sure whether he came back too soon (i seem to not think that was the case). my feeling is that when he did come back last spring, the dichotomy of the team had completely changed (new offense running through LaMarcus, new starting lineup). not only had the team changed, but his role with the team had changed. unfortunately, given this particular off-season, Brandon won't have the benefit of a full training camp to become acclimated. however, going into the season fresh, and with more than eight months off, should give him an opportunity to be productive. the real issue is his salary; namely, does Paul Allen want to pay that much for a 24-30 minute a game guy? i fear that answer will be no. if Brandon were making half of what he makes, i really don't think that question would be asked in the first place.

    another thing MB has said in previous blogs is that for what Brandon has done for this franchise, on and off the court, he has already earned that salary. i agree with that. i just wonder when it comes to the luxury tax, if Paul Allen will take it into account.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 12/2/2011 10:57 AM
  97. Hey KMM, thanks for your input again and again.
    I think last year was both, he came back way to early, He was still under Dr. orders and was using actual playing time to rehab, that was the reason for seemingly being flat, and definitely the offense had changed and he just wanted to help where he could with very little time to get there.

    I agree totally that the lock out creating a shortened training camp won't give him much time to re-adjust. But from reports from players that has been around him he is playing with vengeance and a chip on his shoulder to prove all the band wagon fans that they are wrong about him. That will help him emotionally and mentally, but no one knows about the physical not even BRoy, As in longevity.

    As far as the salary goes, Sarah the business manager, not our beloved Sarah said it really isn’t as bad as it sounds because of the insurance kick in. So he would only be out the luxury tax, that may be paid with BRoy’s insurance, since no matter what he is guaranteed his salary

    Another aspect of his salary that hasn’t been brought up is the conditions of his guaranteed salary, Story teller Blog had it all on there once but I don’t remember all that it pertains to. Nevertheless if those criteria’s are not met then his salary would be reduced for each accordingly, so that would help.

    I also agree that BRoy already has earned his salary and anything we can get from him from now on is gravy. We have players that has stepped up that has helped go past BRoy’s injury, we attempted to go past Greg’s injury with Camby, Joel and Pendergraph, but that didn’t pan out so good.

    Thanks again Miss Kassandra

    by Hg on 12/2/2011 11:28 AM
  98. Hg is right, PA, is out Roy's contract regardless, but how much a lotto hit is what extra he will have to pay/save for that 30 mins playing time.

    From what I've read a few contracts are ending next summer so there is a good chance the Blazers will wait until then since the combination of those coming off and Roy's contract coming off the books will give us a lot of room under the cap. That also would give us a good look at Roy and if it's obvious he has nothing left it'll be less of a PR hit to use the amnesty on him and since you can use it once during the cba it won't hurt waiting a yr.

    Hey, do you think MB has forgotten he has a blog? It's been 6 weeks since his last entry!! :)

    by mgb on 12/2/2011 2:47 PM
  99. MGB.......MB said he was tired of being bored .....He prob is scrambling to get ready..........Hi Miisss Kassy LBTP....whuzup ?

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/2/2011 2:55 PM
  100. first of all ... VINSTER! just studying hard and doin' lots of learnin' - it's kind of my gig!

    mgb: i'm thinking on tuesday he may come out with a new schedule breakdown!

    Hg: as i understand it, PA has to pay Brandon his money, but by using the amnesty clause, his salary would not count against the luxury tax.

    ~ KMM

    by Kassandra on 12/2/2011 4:13 PM
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