Jun 23

A New Point

By mikebarrett
We all knew that addressing the point-guard position was one of the primary goals the Trail Blazers had heading into the NBA Draft on Thursday night.  After all was said and done Portland added two horses to the backcourt, and also said goodbye to a couple of fan favorites.

Andre Miller has been huge for the Blazers the last two years and it's not easy to see him go.  But, I think most people realize that he wasn't the long-term solution.  Because of his contract, and the fact that he's still effective, he was tradeable.

One of Andre's biggest fans, Nate McMillan, put it simply late Thursday when everything was winding down.  "We addressed needs," he said. 

Raymond Felton, who has ties to more than one Blazer, was traded from the Denver Nuggets to the Blazers for Andre, and has basically been handed the keys.  There won't be any question about who the starter will be.  That'll be good for Portland, and for Felton, given his circumstance in Denver, it'll be good for him too.

McMillan always called Miller "a pro," and reserved the same kind of comments for Felton.  He also had the input of Bernie Bickerstaff, who coached Felton in Charlotte.  Gerald Wallace played with Felton in Charlotte, and so that's another benefit.

Felton is a little stronger than Andre, a better defender, and a better outside shooter.  And, he's a lot younger.  That's probably one of the biggest positives.  Felton also knows how to play a half-court game, and certainly can handle an up-tempo system.  McMillan said he admires Felton's ability to run both systems.

News of this trade leaked out just as Portland was making it's first-round pick at number 21.  It was widely speculated that Kenneth Faried, if still on the board, would be Portland's choice.  It was no secret how much they liked him.  So, when they selected Duke's Nolan Smith, we felt something could be up.  We figured it was the indicator that the Miller/Felton deal was on.  Well, it was on, but we quickly found out that there would be no swapping of picks 21 and 22, as expected.

Since the selection, I've heard it mentioned that perhaps Smith went higher than many expected, and that perhaps that's somehow an indication that Portland overvalued his services.  As Buchanan explained after the draft, "I don't get in to where particular writers have a guy slotted to go.  For me it's simply identify the guy you want and go get him."

Smith, a four-year player, was the National Player of the Year according the Fox Sports, Yahoo, and NBC Sports.  He was first-team All-America, the ACC Player of the Year, and the ACC Tournament MVP.  He also helped Duke to a national championship during his junior year.

Perhaps most impressive about Smith, who's a combo guard, is that he slid over and handled the point guard duties last season with Kyrie Irving went down with an injury.  The Blue Devils didn't miss a beat, and according to some, were perhaps more efficient with Smith running the show.

Smith caught McMillan's eye when he was a member of the U.S. Men's College Select Team last summer.  Earlier this month, Nate and his staff were very high on Smith following his workout for the team.  They were especially attracted to his leadership skills, character, basketball I.Q., and toughness.

Along with seeing Miller go, the Trail Blazers also said goodbye to Rudy Fernandez Thursday night.  Another tough decision, but probably something that fans understand.  Rudy had a solid three-year run with the Blazers, and helped the team to some very exciting moments.  He's now off to Dallas.

It became clear to me very early on Thursday morning, while meeting with Buchanan, that the Blazers would have some very tough decisions to make.  They were in the driver's seat in a couple of deals, and at least one would have drastically changed the makeup of this team.  And, from what I understand, would have been very tough to take financially.  

As it is, the Blazers maintained a good part of their core, got younger, and addressed a need for now and into the future.  They also didn't trade Nic Batum, even though they had plenty of opportunties.  They fielded a number of requests for Nic, but never actively shopped him, or made outgoing calls that put him in play.  

Kudos to Buchanan, who was behind the wheel in this draft.  Paul Allen challenges ideas, loves a spirited debate, and clearly has his own opinions, but in the end trusts his basketball people to make the final call.  I've always heard it that way, from everyone who has spent time in the war room.  Chad said this year was no different. 

By the way, Buchanan and his wife Melanie had a baby girl on Monday.  Chad told me Thursday morning he hadn't seen her in two days, and that he spent all but about one hour at his desk Wednesday night. 

Even though he can perhaps get a little more time with the family now, he's far from done working on this Blazer roster, he says.  Thursday they addressed the backcourt.  Now, it's on to the frontcourt.

More to come....


  1. I was a little surprised by our pick, but am happy with the trade and now also like the pick we made.


    by mgb on 6/23/2011 10:18 PM
  2. Kenneth Faried not being selected tells me that we'll be having Oden this next season.

    John Canzano said it well in his new article. I'll miss Dre, and it'll be a tough challenge for Felton and Smith to live up to the expectations of replacing Dre, but, I understand. Best of luck to Dre. But with Rudy, I won't miss him. I thought I would, but really, he's easy to let go of.

    I'm a fan of Felton though. I liked his play in Denver and New York. I think he'll play fairly well, despite his stats. I predict him to be more of a scorer.

    by Herr on 6/23/2011 10:22 PM
  3. i approve of the trades. miller for felton is actually what i was rooting for and expecting as the most feasible way of grabbing a younger and possibly more up-tempo pg. andre was sneaky, and fun to watch for it, so good luck to him.

    right now im not ecstatic about the Smith pick. I think Faried would have been a much safer/better pick, since we need a real back-up power foward. but i'll hold any further criticism until i see smith's play, if he really can slide over to pg in the NBA. i do think we'll need to get rid of armon or patty though, at the least. at least the SG logjam has been resolved, matthews n roy are more than enough.

    by Symokoto on 6/23/2011 10:28 PM
  4. It's a good move in my opinion. We can now attack a defense in multiple ways, with the pick and roll, half court motion and uptempo transition. We are younger and better on defense. Andre was a liability at times defensively and lately did not close out games on the floor. I really believe that a combination of Oden, Camby, CJ and Pendergraph (if he is re-signed) would provide a very nice core inside with rebounding, passing, and shot-blocking to complement LA's scoring. Don't forget you still have GW patrolling the middle not to mention Nico. That is a very long and potentially dominant combination. Of course, all of the other things hinge on GO's health. Nothing else really as relevant. Mike, do you think they can/will re-sign Jeff P or will they target another player?

    by Just Tim on 6/23/2011 10:29 PM
  5. Mike, I am very upset at giving Dallas Rudy for basically nothing..I am very confused at this. Why would you arm a team in this way. Dallas got better by giving up nothing. Rudy will come back to haunt us the first time these teams meet. We drafted 3 guards..3. I hope this is the beginning to a larger deal in the off-season. Im a lil upset at the moment and a little unsettled about the upcoming season.
    I am not really sold on Felton. My gut tells me the staff has faith in Roy (coming back healthier) and Oden returning to the floor for a full season are the big developments and that Felton was just a end table piece. Time will tell.
    One other thing..I am getting tired of this trend of firing GM's before the draft..lol. Not saying anything against Chad..it's just a very uncommon thing.

    by L.T.G on 6/23/2011 10:37 PM
  6. Would also like to know what you think will happen with Patty or Luke? I'm thinking that Patty is gone but Luke will be given one more year. Elliot seems to be the wildcard in all this. No one seems to know much about his skill set.

    by Just Tim on 6/23/2011 10:37 PM
  7. Man, MB I'm bummed bout Dre.Ok ,I might take a while to stew on this on .
    Yeah Yeah,i know what we are doing, tryin to get younger ,get value for Dre.Ok,I get all that,I just love Dre's don't mess with me attitude.Ask Blake Griffin.Dre just had some major junkyard dog in him .I'm gonna miss that.

    I just hope Felton 's got half as much iron man in him as Dre does.

    I like four year starters who are winners ,from great programs ,with exceptional coaches,so,I like the pick of Nolan Smith.
    I heard the other kid can light it up ,maybe both will push The Armonizer and Patty.No better motivators than good competition.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/23/2011 10:54 PM
  8. I do not see Felton being a " end table piece". Hes been a solid guard whos been getting better and better over the years. His breakout year was lastyear where with the Knicks he was avergaing 17 ppg/9apg, Then went to Denver and his #s slipped a bit but he played behind Lawson. Now hes getting the key to the Blazer ride, hell be fine. As for Rudy, yeah be nice to see us get something more than a draft pick, but I wont miss him. He tweeted say thanks blazers fans but hes SOOOO happy to be with best team in the nba!!!!...so I dont think hell miss us as much as some Blazer fans will miss him. If he does Haunt us, it wont be different than last year, when he PLAYED for us and he haunted the blazers by shooting horrble and avergaing 2 ppg and shooting 22% from the field.

    I WILL miss Andre Miller...a professional...a great human being...solid point guard, done ALOT for this team. If he didnt get traded and he was to be our pg next year, I would have been fine with that. But it may be best to trade now and get max value from him. I wish Andre the very best in Denver.

    obviously all the move making is not done yet, will just have to wait and see. I hope we pick up Oden's option, I feel we will. Weve invested so much into his recovery on this last injury, Staff is talking that they may wait till december next season before playin him..they want to MAKE sure 100% hes healthy..I just think the Blazers want to see like us fans what he can do IF he stays healthy...we got to see alittle bit last time he played, and I was impressed. As for ROY...some love him..some hate him..Ive alwas been in his corner...hes gotta do what he feels right about. He is a team player and wants to win, he will make the right decisions I believe and be a very effective scorer for us, though I think he has 0 issues on giving the main scoring responsibility to LA. Well just have to wait and see, But Roy is a gamer, high basketball IQ and has GOOD intentions.

    by whitefeather21380 on 6/23/2011 10:57 PM
  9. Thinking about it of all years not to have summer league this is a bad one. There are many questions to answer concernging rookies and second year players, who to keep and who drop/trade. Just imagine if there isn't a preseason? The Blazers will have to make a lot of decisions without being able to see players playing with/against each other.

    by mgb on 6/23/2011 11:04 PM
  10. BRoy will continue to be a cornerstone of the Blazers if he can accept his new role and work to re-make his game. I would LOVE to see him become the spot up shooter we so desperately need. Hopefully he launches about a thousand catch and shoot jumpers a day this off-season (which could be long). If he could even approach some of the elder statesman shooters of the Celtics, no one will miss the "Happy Spaniard". His value to the development of Matthews should not be overlooked either.

    by Just Tim on 6/23/2011 11:08 PM
  11. Um,
    look, I want to be as positive about this as possible, but you've got to admit that this doesn't give the fans or team much hope to get past the first round next year. Sure, it'd be great if it all worked out, and I really hope it does, but as far as drafts go we have been sucking eggs for some time now, no exception here. Fareed seemed the obvious choice and this really makes our lack of GM look glaring. But you've heard this before. The main reason I'm posting is in response to this quote from you Mike, "Paul Allen challenges ideas, loves a spirited debate, and clearly has his own opinions, but in the end trusts his basketball people to make the final call." C'mon, Mike. Are you kidding? Is that facaetiousness? If we know anything about Allen it is the exact opposite of that sentence. You're a great commentator, but don't be such a company man (okay, fine, they do pay you so you do what you gotta, it's a sweet gig). But that reads like it was handed to you by the Vulcan front office.

    by kfriedman on 6/23/2011 11:40 PM
  12. I'm pleased that we made a solid move to shore up the point guard position. I love Andre, but he was never going to be there for the championship we hope to win. I'm sorry to see Rudy go, but it was clearly time. He didn't do badly considering the triple whanny he faced: the wrong system for his skills, a bad back and bad eyesight. If all of those improve when he's at Dallas we may see another Rudy. But the Blazers who have been traded away during the last few years have not exactly blossomed elsewhere.
    We made no moves at the big man spots and thinned out the logjam at shooting guard. Looks like we're all in betting on Oden recovery. That's a big gamble, but thin as the league is right now in centers, it's got a big upsided if it works out. We're also apparently expecting Brandon to keep contributing. I'd worry about what we'll do if Brandon hits the DL again, but Smith looks like a viable option, and I do hope Nate's considering giving Nic some time at the "2." That seems like a better way of getting him minutes alongside Gerald than those long stints of Gerald at the "4." Now we just need to hire a GM who will still be around for the next draft, and hope they work out a labor agreement so we actually have a season. By the way, does anyone else find it odd that NBA and NFL owners are risking so much to win back concessions from the players unions right when midwestern governors are doing the same thing to their public employee unions? Did the rich guys all get the same memo announcing the season to crush their workers?

    by Islander on 6/24/2011 12:33 AM
  13. Mike:
    I thank you for the blog; I am not pleased or displeased. I am becoming quite fond of Chad Buchanan and trust his abilities. I would have rather have kept Dre, not because I loved him as Vinnie did, but because he kept the Blazers a contender while we were crippled and band-aided up. I read and said that Dre came into his own when team mates got injured. Some thought that was a put down, but I meant it as a compliment.

    I like Felton a lot, by getting him, he doesn't have to be back-up, Dre gets to go back to Denver where he should have stayed to begin with, I think he will reunite with George great.

    I don't know that much about Nolan, but it sounds like he will be a great back-up and, heaven forbid, a step in PG in case Felton gets injured or even in foul trouble.

    Maybe reading between the lines to much but it sounded like Chad was saying they weren't going to renew Patty's contract. Armon would have to compete with Nolan for back-up minutes; Babbitt would get more playing time at the three and Nate says he want to play nick at the 2 at times. Which says he is not sure about BRoy's health. Also EW will have some time to develop without Rudy sulking about playing time, which I felt, he didn't deserve.

    In all fairness I hope Rudy does well in Dallas as I know Dre will do good in Denver.

    Do you think Diabler will make the roster? he is a spot up three point shooter, we need that, but if BRoy can do that, maybe we would be over crowded again.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 3:45 AM
  14. Oh Mike, thanks for reminding me that Felton and Gerald played together in Charlotte. Familiarity does help, Felton and Gerald.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 3:51 AM
  15. Well we lost two great guys. i will miss both in their own rights. Andre is an undervalued All Star in this league, with mad old school talent. In the end for Portland, I think the deal makes sense. Kinda sucks for Andre though going to a rebuilding situation after all he did for us, but he is a piece that could help contend for a ring on the right team so good luck to him, I will miss him.

    Dallas will make Rudy a better player because he will get comfortable there. Rudy was so much fun to watch but cracked under pressure. With Dirk and Kidd and those kinds of players there he will find his role easier. Sad to see him go but charisma and high light plays don't typically win games and I think in the end any team will take the later.

    I have always liked Raymond Felton and he has had quite a few memorable games against Portland as well. I think he is more Nate's kind of guy, with no disrespect to Andre. Plus we geta little younger which will make a difference. I will bew glad to see him in black and red next year.

    Don't know too much about Nolan Smith but I hope Nate and Chad are right. At 6'2 i think he would kind of small to play 2 guard but look at JJ Barea, it just amazes me how effective some players can be.

    Looking forward to having Greg come back I know it will be an important upcoming decision. That will be a part of this portland front court. Let's not kid ourselves here though we have a cluster of PGs, SGs and SFs and combos now and LaMarcus needs some help down there. The sky is the limit if he has the right player(s) to play with down there. It's a disservice and disrespect to him if they don't set him and it's too much to ask of him I think too.

    What will happen next, I have no idea but I am pleased that Chad and Nate were able to address the media with confidence and with facts and professionalism backing up the choices they made. I think Chad may be a good candidate to take over the reigns of GM but maybe we need to keep him where he is to maintain the integrity and structure in the office to keep things in check.

    I think Nate is ready to take our team to the next step. You can see he looks tired of messing around. Hopefully he will get vocal about addressing what he feels he needs to get a championship here. It's not as easy as it looks though with pieces and contracts coming around once in a blue moon.

    I think we just got a little closer. I do trust Nate and Chad to look at his team and continue to improve it.

    by Bull Frog on 6/24/2011 4:32 AM
  16. @Bull Frog:

    Great insight. I was a little upset about losing Dre, until I read that Felton was not better or worst then Dre just different and younger; we had to find us a PGOTF, so we may as well start now and build with Nolan and assumable Armon Johnson. If Nolan is good enough to step into a starting role right now, that does take a lot of pressure off from Armon as a PG.

    Chad is very high on Chris Johnson, and it was said on Blazer TV yesterday that he grew another half inch and is now 6' 11.5" and gained 20 pounds. Therefore I have my hopes that he can give help to LMA, plus we will be getting Greg back in late Dec/early Jan. and since Earl is not under contract we can resign Pendy or someone else with a mid-level exception.

    So a lot of the decisions look great, I am like everybody else on Greg, wait and see, and also waiting to see about the new CBA and the possible lock-out.

    As said Great Post Bull Frog.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 7:46 AM
  17. We should have given more and got more in return, Like adding Babbitt and getting #22.

    by mbmurr1 on 6/24/2011 8:04 AM
  18. I really like the acquisition of Raymond Felton. I loved Andre's toughness, but we now have a reliable 3-point shooter at the point guard position who will give us better spacing on the offensive end. That will be huge for us in the playoffs when the game is usually more half-court oriented. I believe we will continue to increase our fastbreak opportunities with Raymond at the point also. He will be able to take his game to the next level due to the fact that this is the best group of talent with whom he will have played. Our defense should get even better with Raymond's ability to keep quick point guards in front of him.

    Nolan Smith should earn the back-up point guard position. He has good size for a point guard, is a good defender, a pretty good shooter, and has very good toughness He kind of reminds me of Chris Duhon, but Nolan has a few more offensive skills and better athleticism.

    I'm sure there will be some kind of additions to the frontcourt, but I believe that our power foward and center positions are in better shape than people think. Chris Johnson will get stronger and more comfortable in his role with the team. If Greg comes back healthy, we will be deep enough to make a long run in the playoffs.

    by C. Larry on 6/24/2011 8:20 AM
  19. i know i'm going to get a little flack here, but since i'm not someone who holds back while speaking her mind, here's my take.

    i'm still trying wrap my head around the fact we traded for a pgotf, then five minutes later, drafted another one. yes, i understand that Smith is a combo guard, but with Wesley, Brandon and Elliot in the mix, i don't see him getting minutes at the 2. i think it goes without saying that he was drafted as a pg.

    don't get me wrong here. i think Andre for Felton is a pretty good deal. Felton has been around the league for seven years and he certainly has the kind of game we can use. we improve on defense and perimeter shooting. not a bad trade at all, i'd say. i also have no problem with Smith's abilities. you know he was well-coached at Duke, and he had great numbers, expecially after he took over at pg with Kyrie Irving was injured.

    my real problem is: both? we acquired two pg's yesterday, while pretty much ignoring the front line which, in my opinion, was a higher priority due to lack of depth and uncertainty of Greg's return.

    i thought we might take Faried at #21, but i was actually looking at Jeremy Tyler, a 6'11" center who our friends in charlotte ended up taking at #39 (btw, Rich Cho had a very good first draft with the 'Cats).

    though at an informal wedding rehearsal dinner for my brother and his tomorrow-to-be wife, i followed the draft chat, Courtside and covertly watched espn at the same time (all while keeping an eye on my flower girl sister and the ring bearer!).

    within the chat, it seemed as if lot of people wanted -- and expected -- us to take Faried. in my opinion, he's a great player, especially when it comes to rebounding. however, i really don't think his size and style translate to the pf position in the nba. i believe he'll end up being more effective at sf. so the problem with us taking him is that we would basically be adding another small forward.

    when our 51st pick came along, all i could wonder about was whether we would solidify the middle with a center or try and find some in-game relief for LaMarcus at backup pf. as you all know, we did neither. for the record, i've never met John Diebler and i didn't much follow ohio st. (i mean, come on, it's not like they played Stanford!). his numbers look pretty good. he's a shooter who hit half his threes last year. not a bad clip. however, behind Wesley, Brandon, Elliot and perhaps Nolan, how much time is he going to get? i see him getting quite a bit of D-League action this upcoming season (question: if the nba season is postponed/cancelled, does the same hold true for the D-League?). while it's great to say we've got a shooter, was that really a priority?

    look, i understand we will have opportunities to fill up the front line via free agency and trade (MB, it was intriguing to hear you guys mention phoenix's interest in shopping Robin Lopez; something we we should certainly consider). i just think we got two solutions at one need, so our draft day is ... shall i say, just a little muggy.

    now, i just want to ask since i've been looking around, but haven't seen an answer: weren't we supposed to get the 57th pick (the sf from the congo) from dallas in the three-team deal which sent Rudy to the mavs? what happened with that? why was espn saying the pick was going to end up in minnesota? just curious. if we didn't get the pick, then i believe we traded Andre, Rudy and the rights to PetKo for Felton. in that case, it seems lopsided (on the other hand, if we owed minnesota the pick from a previous deal, i understand).

    finally (i know, it's about time!), as i mentioned earlier, Cho had a very good draft for charlotte. they had traded Jackson, but filled their roster very nicely, top to bottom, with their picks. i consider the bobcats one of the big winners in the draft.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/24/2011 9:08 AM
  20. Kassandra: I do understand your thoughts of getting two solutions for one problem, but my take on that is Smith may not quite be ready but is more ready then Mills or Armon. And since we only got Felton on a one year lease, if they can't get him to resign then we will have Smith, who happens to be a good 2gd also, in case BRoy doesn't make his recovery that we hope for.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 9:30 AM
  21. Hg; if there's that much incertainty with Felton, then we should have optioned Andre for the last year. Nate says Smith is ready now, and he can play sg, but there's no room there for him. unfortunately, i don't see any room for Patty or Armon on this roster (we have eight guards at the moment - not including Nicolas, who Nate said would play some sg). in the end, it comes down to prioritization and i think we dropped the preverbial ball on that one.

    i don't want to jump on Chad here, btw, but as the acting GM in two drafts, he's led the team which has selected four guards, zero forwards (Luke doesn't count since minnesota selected him) and zero centers.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/24/2011 9:40 AM
  22. @Kass, we did end up with the rights to the 57th pick Tanguy Ngombo, but the team is in discussions now to trade his rights.

    by sarahhecht on 6/24/2011 10:02 AM
  23. thank you Sarah! i knew someonw -- and it by no way shocks me that it's you -- would have the answer! though, i did like that Adam Silver pronounced his name correctly!

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/24/2011 10:12 AM
  24. This roster needs a major overhaul we need depth and some shooting still. I would have liked to see us hold onto 'dre but hopefully Felton will be okay.

    by cmeese47 on 6/24/2011 12:08 PM
  25. I never liked Faried, a one dimensional player undersized for his position. Did we need another sf.

    The Felton trade Ok, but there had better be some inside knowledge or masterplan to help LA. Good to hear CJ has put on wght. Do they feel sure we can resign Oden and that he will be healthy. I'd be much happier with Pendergraf than Faried. If CJ can continue to develope and backup a healthy Oden then Camby is a great backup at PF. That's a lot of ifs for me.

    by Ancientone on 6/24/2011 12:35 PM
  26. Kassandra's right, as usual. The Wallace trade left a big hole at back-up center and power forward that we haven't filled yet. Of course, Joel would have been gone by now anyway, and a replacement for him obviously wasn't available, so the main draft question on that front was whether we could find someone at the 21st pick as solid as Dante was. I don't know the talent out there well enough to answer that. I'd have been happy with Patty as a back-up point, but this is where Nate and I strongly disagree, and he's the coach, while I'm just a kibitzer. With Felton under contract for only one year, that trade didn't necessarily provide a point guard for the future, and no one I know sees Armin or Patty turning into quality starters. So I understand the logic of drafting to fill that need. And if we do have a plan to get at least one big via free agency, to give us a little short-term depth, then I'm okay with gambling on Oden's return to health and Chris Johnson's development into a useful back-up. On the other hand, I don't see us as overstocked at shooting guard, because I'm still pessimistic about how much Brandon has left. He and Greg are two different stories. Greg has had a series of different injuries, and that pattern is worrisome. There are centers who have injuries early and get past it, and there are those like Yao Ming who may just carry too much weight for their bones to bear under NBA stress. There's reason for hope along with some obvious skepticism. Brandon, on the other hand, has a serious chronic condition that is not repairable. Greg may yet get through a season without injury; Brandon's cartilage is gone forever. Maybe Roy will be a valuable back-up for a couple of years; maybe he'll even regain starter form for a little while. But those are best case scenarios. There's no chance at all that he will ever be the franchise player at the heart of a dynasty. Anything he gives us is gravy, and I'm not counting on him for anything. Oden's return, on the other hand, is pretty much the only scenario I see right now that might take the Blazers to the next level, to become perennial contenders who can pick up some championships. If he doesn't come back, we actually need Brandon to give it up and retire; carrying his salary would make it impossible to sign the quality free agent we'd need on a post-Oden team.

    by Islander on 6/24/2011 12:55 PM
  27. Miss Kassandra: don't misunderstand me, I was trying to see the other side for a change. That is supposed to make me have a better BBIQ and a broader mind. Do you think it will work< LMAO, at 70. I had never thought of the fact that Chad drafted all guards. I will have to ponder on that.

    Ancientone is also right about my feelings also. I am OK with the Felton and Smith at PG, but better have some kind of master plan.

    Miss Sarah; we have the rights to 57 but we never drafted him, he was a bonus in a trade.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 1:03 PM
  28. I thought the draft went pretty well. Sucks Miller had to go, he was one of my favorite blazers to watch. Putting Rudy in the trade was just a good move. I didn't think anybody would want him after all his ups and downs. Miller had to go because of the contract. If we kept him we would be losing a valued unit that is degrading in value and Miller (now) is worth the most he will be for the rest of his career. He had to go. Sucks

    As far as the guards go we have a lot of untested players or gambles from the past, armond, elliot and patty do not look like back up point guards at this point. Patty did a good job and I like his additude but I would like to see him be a 3rd string pg. BRoy is still a bunch of ??? (question marks) so we don't know enough about him. So, I don't mind it if we have an extra guard around. I also don't see all these guards being on roster next year.

    by Miller on 6/24/2011 1:06 PM
  29. @Islander; there is lots of truth and value in your words, and like Kassandra, I get a lot of wisdom and value out of your opinions and logic.

    We don't know how advanced BRoy's injury is, but he does only have so much left. He can play at full strength and blow his knee in one night or play conservative and still blow his knee in one night. so the gravy may be to thin to do much good. Nevertheless until that happens he is still suiting up and I have hope that he can produce. The sad part to me was listening to Chad and Nate talk last night talking about our core and BRoy wasn't apart of it.

    My point with Kassandra was that Nate wants some prime veterans, so we will have to look for one in the free agency, although it would ease my mind if we had got one more ready to go Center or PF in the draft. Pendergraph would probably do just as good until Greg gets back though.

    All in all, I am OK with the draft and ready to move on to making Greg a Blazer again.

    by Hg on 6/24/2011 1:21 PM
  30. Okay here's the problem I have with our situation Good draft overall, but there are only 5 players that can be on the court at the same time. From positions 1-3 we have patty mills, armon, brandon, nickolas, wesley, gerald, luke babbit, elliot williams, raymond, and now nolan smith. I may be missing a few. If they are wanting to give luke or elliot any time they are going to have to trade some players so that we dont have people sitting on our bench all year. I think we need a blockbuster trade for a superstar. we're going to have to get rid of talent to get that star, but It would be better for the team to do I feel. We dont have to get a superstar but I like getting rid of 3 guards or 2 guards and a big for a good solid big. perhaps nickolas, armon johnson, and Marcus Camby, for say a paul milsap or someone of that talent. we need a good big that can rebound and get the ball quickly into raymond or nolans hands to push a break. whether it be milsap or dujuan blair, or somebody like that. thats my feeling. there are too many guards for not enough minutes.

    by baertlein on 6/24/2011 1:38 PM
  31. yeah guys, at this point, it may just come down to a master plan. so right now our bigs are LaMarcus, Marcus, Chris, Earl and Greg (probably in january, if we resign him).

    i think we need at least six, but i'd prefer seven up front. so, that all being said, who is our next big? are we keeping Earl? are we looking into Robin Lopez from the suns? we still have a long way to go before we know what this roster will look like. and that means we have just as many questions, if not more, to answer.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/24/2011 2:55 PM
  32. Kassanra: If we keep Earl he will be a place holder on the bench.

    If we could get Robin Lopez without hurting to much he could be a great pickup. Not the threat offensively of his brother but big, clogs the middle and rebounds.

    by Ancientone on 6/24/2011 4:13 PM
  33. Sad to see Rudy is gone. I know sometimes he did not do all he could , but we used to watch Portland games because we wanted to see Rudy (not always) brilliant play. And now what shall we do? Become Dallas fans ? I would have kept Rudy. I´m not yet certain whether with a more "offensively", less "conservative" coach, Rudy would have done better in Portland.
    Tell Sarah i was "abc" and sometimes "guest" in the chat last season.

    by sopadeajo on 6/25/2011 3:54 AM
  34. I do not know why i got a double zero as an avatar

    by sopadeajo on 6/24/2011 4:24 PM
  35. Well, I guess we will have to wait and see about Felton, He did have good stats in NY with Mike D, but that's Mike D's system. I respect your opinion White, but I don't agree about Felton at all. Hopefully I am wrong.

    Kass, One problem, we did not give Andre for Felton, it was Andre and then some, that was the problem. Also, and as you said, we did not answer the back up 4/5. My hope is that we address that in this lock out potential off-season.
    Someone said it well, this is a terrible time to have no Summer League. What with the 50 guards we picked up and the guards we currently have and Babbitt. Roy, Oden...it's on you guys more than ever now.

    by L.T.G on 6/24/2011 4:53 PM
  36. Actually guys I don't know if you have noticed but I have been high on Faried for a long time. But I think drafting nolan was the better call let me tell you why. Faried may have been a great rebounder and defender but its true we could probably get a more NBA experienced PF for our bench this summer. Faried may have huge potential but In the end I would value someone like Nolan better.

    The one thing I hear consistently about nolan is that he will make a great bench PG. That may not sound great but for a team that wants 2 separate units this can not be undervalued. If I was trying to create a solid bench the first thing I would look for is a capable guy who is steady to lead our bench. When I have watched our bench for the last few years all I can think of is Inconsistency. With a guy like Nolan there should be no "Project" years, I think he will be the guy that strings together a playoff ready bench and helps us feel a lot more confident when our starters need rest.

    Next biggest issue for me is now back up PF and starting center we need to the PF and then we need to make a plan for who will be the starting center for the year that way the roster knows and no silly no center starting 5 will be relied on for games when our main center is out. I hope CJ comes up big and camby still feels prime because without those 2 we are back to nothing till Oden comes back which we can't afford to bank on.

    Honestly I wish we could trade some pieces and get a center like an experienced Nolan or someone who may not be a star but is reliable to allow our team to get a rhythm. But reliable centers are a very hot commodity. So thats what I think we need to do this summer but don't be fooled even though people say we have 3 centers, that position still has as many problems if not more than our PF spot. Now lets all hope that our perfect SG and SF lineups never encounter injury.

    by Lapinnoir on 6/24/2011 6:13 PM
  37. the problem is, at least the way i see it, free agency and trades may get a whole lot trickier if there is a lockout and no cba. i don't know what the protocols will be. will the conditions of the current cba be extended? will will new timetables be set? i think we may have missed out on an opportunity to pick up a big in the draft. most likely, the conditions will be different.

    L.T.G.: i'm not worried too much about the "extras" we gave up in the trade. we actually traded Andre, Rudy and PetKo (were we ever really going to bring him over anyway?) for Felton and the 57th pick, Targuy Ngombo. the latter, as Sarah said, is probably going to be dealt soon. it's a fair enough deal as far as i'm concerned.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/24/2011 9:06 PM
  38. I quess I better speak up! Where is the back up Power Forward! Ok! Just get one. We need a banger that has some size and can give us 10 and 4. Are we going to run LA into the ground. He had nothing left in the 4th quarters in the playoffs. Something is up! with all these pgs. Over 3 quarters of our team can not shoot from outside! We still don't have that one outside threat. BROY can be that threat, maybe! Kassandra you are on track! I'm not ready to call this a good draft for us just yet. I'm a little upset. I watched Felton play and I think he's ok, but really what I'm looking for is CP3# or D. Williams coming to this team next season. I think both of their contract are due then. A PF would have made me feel like we know what we are doing. LA should only have to play 35 to 38 minutes. You watch, he'll be in the high 40s. That's when he misses his freethrows. I do like CJ, and I want to see him make the team.

    by civilhold on 6/25/2011 2:27 AM
  39. Did anyone else notice B Roy's bad attitude this past season? And when someone, say Rich Cho, attempted to reel him in, he got the big hook! Folks, B Roy is done as an All-Star and he needs to STOP being toxic to this team. The reason I am bringing this up is he is not the future of the Blazers... We need his contract gone so we can get with the program of rebuilding the front line of this team. The front office needs to fill in the roster and let go of the mediocre players that they have been hanging onto... Do we have a healthy starting 5? Do we have 5 reliable backups? Do we have the right attitudes within the group and do we have the winning coaching staff? Nate has had a lot of challenges with injuries and players, but can he even lead us to the promised land? What are your thoughts?

    by OlMercury on 6/25/2011 2:27 AM
  40. @Civilhold. I hope, it is like Nate says, he wants Vets in their prime and also there was some good PF and Centers maybe they have a more experienced one in mind.

    As far as CP3, he is almost as crippled up as BRoy. Plus, I think he would cost to much and would gut the team.

    @OlMercury: you got your point across lol.

    It sounds like you want a whole new team with a whole new coaching staff and a whole new front office, otherwise you want a whole new franchise to root for. There is 29 others to root for, but I think you would find they have primarily the same problems. If we get 10 healthy players, what is going to keep them healthy for the duration of your future? Do you just knock a player in the head or fire him as soon as he can't live up to your expectations? Do you know there are laws that protect people in all walks of life that has been injured on the job? Most of the players were injured while playing for us.

    IMO, I find your post a bit distasteful. Although your opinions are welcome, you did ask for my thoughts.

    by Hg on 6/25/2011 5:42 AM
  41. I love to laugh and laugh I did. What a way to start off this Saturday morning!

    by civilhold on 6/25/2011 5:24 AM
  42. This is a post from BE

    "I'd have liked to get Faried a lot, yet looking at the upcoming FA class I think the Blazers can live without him

    Lots of bigs and PFs in there. Plus trying to get Freeland over in 2012. We should be fine in the PF rotation. Center is still a big question mark with Camby not getting any younger and Oden not yet getting any healthier."

    The reason I posted this is because I forgot about Freeland. The looming Lock-out was the chief reason for him not coming over now.

    What does everybody think? Does that relieve the pain of not choosing Faried? Plus if Denver and Portland was going to swap draft then they might as well have choose the way they would have finally came out without the paper work.

    Reposted from Sarah's blog.

    by Hg on 6/25/2011 5:45 AM
  43. I still think we went sideways.I'm not sold on Felton being an improvement over Dre.Anybody talkin bout CHEMISTRY.The all important integration into Nates system.It's a will see for me.O/Mercury ,bro stop hitting post,cuz...haha...I love all the fresh opinions we are getting here,good to see.gettin back on track ,so I'm not the FNG:)
    Maybe the Brass knows something we don't about Oden.His progress has been kept under wraps ,if anyone hasn't noticed.Maybe that's why we didn't picka big.Just speculating ,mind you:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:05 AM
  44. The only good article I've read about all this.http://www.theknicksblog.com/2011/06/24/ray-felton-finds-great-situation-in-portland/

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:38 AM
  45. Like this qoute from Nolan Smith.......On a day when you’re gonna reach your dream, the best way to feel comfortable about your situation that night is to be in the gym,” said Smith, who declared for the draft without hiring an agent after Duke won the national championship in 2010 but pulled his name out to return to school for his senior season.
    “That’s where you’ve been your whole life up until the draft, and that’s where you should be on draft day,” he added. “I didn’t want to take a day off.”

    Work Ethic = champions....Jus sayin:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:42 AM
  46. WOW,Startling information about our last few drafts........http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/6/24/2242336/the-trail-blazers-have-to-prove-it

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:49 AM
  47. whatever happened to Eclectic Spider ,bloggers?

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:50 AM
  48. I can only hope that this season is a rerun of.........Everybody loves Raymond:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:54 AM
  49. Gosh , how I miss overposting.......so,is everybody on w resigning GO or not ?whaddya think,peops?

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 8:56 AM
  50. ok , 1 last blast......http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2011/06/canzano_andre_miller_set_an_ex.html

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 9:04 AM
  51. @DowntownVinnie: I think we needed Dre for about three years, but Raymond will do.

    Read the Blazers has to prove it and of course I have posted several times :).

    TravisD: asked once if we thought Eclectic Spider was KP, he disappeared about the same time.

    I think this will be a good year, one thing that I was reminded of is GW and Raymond has lots of playing time together and that is a plus. Nate wanted some players in their prime and that is a plus, If Dre wasn't going to be our PGOTF, and they think Felton and or Smith can be, we might has well start now That is taken care of I hope and we can concentrate on shoring up our front court. But if Greg is coming back, Freeland might be coming over, with Chris Johnson and maybe Pendy, we might be better then we think.

    by Hg on 6/25/2011 9:14 AM
  52. One thing about it DTV when you come back you really come back LOL.

    by Hg on 6/25/2011 9:15 AM
  53. no kiddin ,HG,I'm all or nuthin,baby:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/25/2011 9:33 AM
  54. Vinnie,
    The only thing worse than having Oden never get healthy is having Oden get healthy on another team and leading them to a championship. Signing Oden is auto, he's our best chance at a championship.

    While I would have liked sticking with Miller for a few more years, we might not make it to the finals until four years from now and by then we would have been starting with a new PG, but now we'll have one that will still be going strong even if we don't make it in the next three years, though I think we will get to the promise land before then.

    As to not picking a back up PF most likely Pendergraph is as good as any player that we could have got at the 21st pick and he'll be available.

    by mgb on 6/25/2011 10:07 AM
  55. Dre- Thank you. You played your heart out. You are, and always will be part of the blazer family. I wish you the best of luck. Denver is lucky to get you. Portland made a change. Our new boys will get the same reception we give all our players. They are now in the family. Rudy- Play with confidence. Have fun. Play Rudy ball. Go blazers!

    by Divotking on 6/25/2011 8:32 PM
  56. Ok! I don't know where to put this so I'm putting it here! Get the deal done with Greg! We always drag things out! If it were my contract I would feel as though management didn't really want me on the team. They knew his contract was due by July first, so why wait til the last day to get something done. I see why players want to go to South Beach! Owners think they can slack at being upfront with their players. GET THE LONG DEAL DONE! 4 YEARS AT THE VERY LEAST! We have until this coming Friday to sign him. We need a GM that will talk to Paul Allen in a way that Paul he will understand what's important. Get the deal done! 4 years 60 mil. Sure I know it's not my money, but what's the deal with Blazer management. Who gets things done? I want to write to that person. Seems to me everyone is worried about their job.
    Vinnie I hire you to walk into management's office and let them have it. Tell them what exactly they need to do!
    HG You write good stuff. I nominate you to back Vinnie up! Together we'll get this done.
    I do like Felton, but he's not all that! His shooting is under what I would expect from a PGOTF to be. I'm not happy. It's the off season. A lockout looms. My world is crashing down! And another thing, the new 750 AM sucks! It's weak! What happen? My world suffers!

    by civilhold on 6/26/2011 3:27 AM
  57. i gotta say i'll miss dre but this deal makes sense. good job chad. oden is not an automatic contract, he's a huge risk so i understand why management would take time on his resigning. if it was my money i'd pass but since it isn't i say why not. they've made dumber commitments. i'll miss rudy as much as i miss jack, webster, and outlaw.

    i feel like we are condensing our talent and defining roles more. that's a good thing. we need a big for sure. who that is, i don't know. hopefully it's oden but i won't hold my breath waiting for him.

    go blazers!

    by thedanman on 6/26/2011 6:27 AM
  58. @civilhold:
    First: let me thank you for complimenting me on writing good stuff.
    Second: You would not want me to back up Vinnie, I am a coward in the face of the enemy, although I don't consider the Blazer brass as my enemy, I do have many disagreements with them that I would love to discuss with them. Plus, there is always more LOL, I wouldn't go to the Blazer Brass unless I was armed with the whole truth, and you and I know they won't give me the truth. Jack Nicholson's famous Phrase in a Few good Men, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" comes to mind.
    Third: Don't get me wrong, I love me some Greg, I dream constantly of him dominating the middle, going high low with LMA, rebounding and throwing littler guards out of bounds when they try to challenge him. Realistically speaking, I know the fears of him not coming back. I know he has a tough road ahead if in fact he can come back, but I also know he is tough enough to handle it because he is already getting strong by going through his injury adversity.
    With that being said, I don't think I would agree with you on giving him 4 years, 60 mil. We are in trouble financially for doing precisely the same thing for BRoy, although in BRoy's case, he has already earned his.
    Greg has not really gotten off the launching pad; I believe he will get there, but not with enough confidence to offer him a 4 year deal as of yet. Of course once he gets his legs under him, pun intended, and then he could very easily be worth more then 60 mil in 4 years. Until then and with the lock out looming I think a qualifying offer will be what we need.

    Fourth: Chad has been in touch with Greg's manager constantly from believing what he says, so Greg is aware of waiting until after the draft for procedures to be finalized. I also think, that Greg knows his future depends on his recovery and waiting is just as important to him as it is the Blazer Brass; I have the feeling everything has been discussed and the decision has already been made, so finalizing it is the only thing left to do. That goes with Patty Mills too, and I am not so optimistic of his chances with the new guards after the draft.

    Fifth: Take a deep breath, relax, and wait. Remember the bad leaves as fast as the good, and in no times the Blazers and you will recover and life will go on.

    I don't share your problem with 750 AM, in fact at some places here in Central OR, I can actually pick up 750. but normally I have to depend on Internet radio.

    Oh! BTW, did you read my post on the possibility of Freeland coming over after the Lock Out? That would be better then a back-up we could get in the draft, and he can play center and PF.
    Hang tough my friend, things will perk up again.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 6:34 AM
  59. (HG) I did read your piece about Freeland coming over and that does give me hope! On 750 my bedroom radio alarm clock doesn't pick it up very well. Good reason to check out a new one. I'm actually happy with everything, but the long wait ahead. Thanks for bringing me full circle. I was about to go there. I once met the team president where I get my hair shaped up! I had a one o'clock appointment and when I walked in he was sitting in the chair where I was supposed to be. I got Bumped! I didn't mind. I asked him can we talk Blazers and he said sure. I went easy on him because he is who he is, and because he sits next to Paul Allen. I quickly thought about money and the difference in our paychecks. He's is truly a nice man. I didn't since any thing bad about him. He was open and honesty shined through like the sun is right now. You're right about Greg and I'm sure they're doing their homework this time.

    by civilhold on 6/26/2011 7:14 AM
  60. Hg,

    I wouldn't go four years sixty million, but four years and 40 million would be more to what I'd like to see we sign him for. You mention Roy and that is why 4 years is a good amount of time simply because we won't be able to do much to get under the cap until his contract comes off the books so signing Oden for that amount of time doesn't hurt us.

    by mgb on 6/26/2011 7:20 AM
  61. @civilhold
    I thank you for your speedy reply.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 7:26 AM
  62. @mgb: I surely couldn't argue that. I couldn't argue the 60 mil, but I would wait until I had more time to evaluate his progress before I do either. Therefore, just offering him a qualifying offer right now, as before July 1st, that is all we can do. then by then we would know if a lock-out is looming. if there is a lock out, that would give Greg and the Blazers more time to evaluate. and that will give Greg time to recover. then a decision can be made for further monies. As of now, I feel it would be presumptuous on both sides to sign him to anything. Just making the offer is all we need, and Of course hoping he doesn't reject it or hoping he doesn't sign it, just keep it.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 7:37 AM
  63. Hg,

    Of course first things first, and that is to make the QO, but I was speaking of what I think will happen. Remember if we just sign him to one year he's a free agant next year though we could give him the most money.

    by mgb on 6/26/2011 8:06 AM
  64. Civilhold ,I already liked you when you said you love to laff,Because that is one of my favorite things to do.
    Secondly ,We do have to have some help in the middle if we are to advance,everyone knows that.Because Odens progress has been kept under wraps,I'm still unsure.. However ,that being said ,I DO think that the brass knows stuff we don't.
    Thanx for the props ,looking forward to getting acquainted now that I a, back in the fray.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 9:28 AM
  65. I do trust Nate as a coach.And I am not totally bummed about Rudy leaving.Felton will give us more athleticism than Dre,maybe more speed,hope we like his decision making.Hope Nate does too.
    I am excited about all the pieces we have .I am also intrigued about the Forgottten Promise of Elliot Williams,Super hops.There is much to be psyched about,LMA,Crash,Matthews ,Camby ,GO?, Nolan Smith,Nic ,CJ ...possible wild card.I think ,if we have one.......it will be a fun one.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 9:40 AM
  66. Happy Birthday to Jerome Kersey,Who was kind enough to take a photo w/ me on my very first Blazer game.U rock ,JK.
    Also happy Bday to our newest Blazer......... Every body Loves Raymond Felton:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 9:53 AM
  67. @MGB;
    the way I understand it is if he signs he will be a free agent, if he just keeps it without signing it then he will be a restricted free agent and we have the right to match or sign him to a multi year contract after June 30. Of course any contract needs negotiating. but the only thing the Blazers can do now if offer him a qualifying offer and if he doesn't sign it he can look else were also. I can't keep all that straight for sure, Story tellers web page has it. I read his input on BE.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 9:54 AM
  68. Word ....Divotking...I feel the same way about Dre ,man had some serious Moxy that will be greatly missed.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 9:55 AM
  69. MGB,my brotha from anotha mutha.good to see ya back.Hows the birds and Butters:)
    I agree on PenderBender,I said it earlier ,plus then we would have someone to pump the team up at the start of games:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 9:58 AM
  70. hg,I think that Chris Johnson showed some defensive prowess during the playoffs.that impressed me that he performed well under bigtime pressure.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 10:01 AM
  71. hg ,Your stubbornness woul outweigh your fear of the enemy.And I want you to know that I totally mean that as a compliment:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 10:12 AM
  72. Vinnie,

    The tiels and Butters are doing well, unfortunately I'm still not home and only every once in a while get to see Butters and never see the tiels. This Sunday is going better than last Sunday when they OD me on valuim and morphine and I ended up in ER! Still recovering from that, but feeling much better now.

    by mgb on 6/26/2011 10:16 AM
  73. @DTV; I don't get the stubborn things, just because I think Blake was a starter over Dre, doesn't make me stubborn. Dumb maybe though LOL.

    I thought CJ did great in the play-offs also, and I have high hopes for him. On Blazers TV, he said he grew another half inch and his wife tweeted somebody, maybe Kassandra, and said he put on about 20 bounds by eating more proteins and adding calories. Granted some of the wt gain is bound to be fat, but if you are in relatively good shape and can pack the fat then 20 lbs. of fat is just as hard to push out of the way as 20 lbs of muscle. I am an expert on that.

    I am very excited in seeing how things work out. the pending lock-out is my biggest concern.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 10:35 AM
  74. Hg ,I meant that w/ love ,bud.I saying that you are a great arguer to be my right hand man,Thats all:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 4:36 PM
  75. on Greg's contract: it's risky and it's a decent chunk of change, but it seems a no-brainer. i still advocate something like a 2-year deal, with a team option for a third (and a fourth if it fits within guidelines). let's bring him back, but cautiously.

    Chris Johnson showed a lot of potential and it sounds like he's putting on the kind of weight which will only help him improve. i realize it was called a flagrant foul (incorrectly, imo), but i loved his little shove on Dirk in the last game. i actually think Earl could be an effective insurance policy. i think with our draft-day results, the chances of the team keeping him increased.

    i'm wondering what kind of trade we might be orchestrating. we already know from Chad's comments (and Sarah's update above) that we're working on a deal involving the rights to the 57th pick we got from dallas, Targuy Ngombo. while he alone might not garner much, there certainly could be other players involved. this could get very interesting.

    one player i would like to see us look into getting Robin Lopez. MB, you guys mentioned on Courtside that phoenix was shopping him. he's big, bot some experience and could really help us.

    Vinnie: are you trying to make up for weeks and weeks of derelict blogging all at once?! i echo your comment about going sideways ... that's just what it seems like to me. i have nothing against Raymond or Nolan (in fact, Nolan responded to my "welcome to the blazers" tweet within a half hour the other day). however, i just keep having this sneaking suspicion that not selecting a big is going to come back to haunt us.

    on a personal note: i just completed a blog about my oldest brother's wedding, which was yesterday. if anyone is interested, here's the link:


    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/26/2011 4:49 PM
  76. Yes Lebrona ,I am goin off, laid up w/ my back out ,freakin blowin up MB's site like the old days. In response to your concern about bigs, I think we will play center by committee .I think we have a few guys who can play a few minutes and if GO comes back ,its just bonus time ,Ya know.Makin up for lost time ,sister.
    You chillin from school for summer? Hope so ,education can clog your brain :)


    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 5:26 PM
  77. Vin-Man! so from your description of being back to blowin' up the blog, does that mean you're going to be here more often during the summer? anyway, i have a great capacity for learning, so i'm not worried about a clogged brain. done with school. went home for a week, then back to the bay for my oldest bro's wedding. showing my sisters around this week in sf, then we're headed back home on the 3rd.

    center by committee makes me nervous. i'd rather just have the conventional starter-backup-backup on the depth chart. i think if we play center by committee, it's going to be another early playoff exit - if we make the playoffs in the least.

    ~ Kassandra (LTP)

    by Kassandra on 6/26/2011 6:24 PM
  78. Yes,Kass ,I will be lurking like a bad dream ,girl:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 7:05 PM
  79. what Vinster? is that one of your song lyrics?

    MB: any news on Nolan's reception here in portland today? according to his tweets, he's liking it so far.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/26/2011 7:24 PM
  80. Haha You may just be on point w/ that one.You are hired, bud.

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/26/2011 7:54 PM

  81. Kass; I agree a backup for LMA is needed. However maybe not as much of a backup as he needed last year. Remember LMA had to fill in a lot of minutes at the center position. That was our biggest hole last year. Camby has always been a power forward. We played him at center. Good rebounder but not a scoring threat inside. A high post passer. Joel, you know his story. Not the same guy post injury. CJ, nice but has some growing to do. Help for LMA hinges on G.O. LaMarcus is our stud. We need him on the floor playing big minutes, not crazy minutes. AT HIS POSITION. We may have enough backup help for him already on the team. If the center position gets solidified LMA will be ok.
    As far as Lopez, I don't think we have salary room.

    by Divotking on 6/26/2011 7:54 PM
  82. Vincent: hired? i have a job! but i am quite insightful!

    Divotking: if anything, LaMarcus needs more reliable depth behind him than last year. that is, if we want to go further in the playoffs. LaMarcus played the second most minutes in the league last season and i thought handled it well. however, it would be nice to see him play a little less and have some quality behind him on the depth chart.

    i think Greg can dominate, but we can't expect that. we're not going to see him until december; more likely january. that's probably about 35 games until he'll see his first action in over two seasons. if he's healthy and we make the playoffs - great; he could make a big difference for us there. i'm not worried about Marcus playing center rather than pf. he's played enough center throughout his career that it just isn't worrisome which one he plays next season.

    as for a trade for Lopez, he's under contract for one more year at just under $1.9 million. any trade we make would involve us swapping a player(s) at a near-to-equal salary (btw, Armon and Luke for Lopez meets the nba trade requirements). a trade for Lopez would not affect our salary cap situation.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/26/2011 8:19 PM
  83. Kass;
    1.9 is cheap for Lopez. Good pickup if possible.
    Tell me more about Greg's ETA. Where have you heard December? When is Greg back is everyone's question. No one in the know wants to comment on that. Do you have some information to share?
    LMA did play the second most minutes. I agree. Started at the 4 and filled in a lot at the 5.

    by Divotking on 6/26/2011 8:52 PM
  84. Kassandra: this was on BE today. We picked him for Minny and they were to pay cash for him.


    Do you think we will let Earl go and pick up Pendergraph for more help? I am more peaceful with the thought that Freeland could come over as soon as the Lock out threat is over, therefore with Greg, maybe Pendy, Freeland, LMA and Chris Johnson, we are getting more balance. I just wished the Lock out was settled.

    Divotking. It is announced quite often on Blazers TV on up and Adam, and just Casey. that is where Kassandra and I got the Dec, or Jan.

    Vinnie, I knew you were teasing me out of love and I love the love.

    by Hg on 6/26/2011 9:54 PM
  85. Well today Hopfully we will hear from Chad on everything. I think RAY RAY will be introduced to us. Also Nolan and Drabler I think will be there. Are we done trading and is this the team?
    After cooling down a bit I think we are a lot faster and I think we can lock down other teams. Our transition game just picked up and we will be feared at the 3 point line.

    by civilhold on 6/27/2011 3:00 AM
  86. civihold,

    I seem to remember Chad saying now that the PG position was taken care of they would go after their other holes, mainly back up PF so I don't think the team we have is the finish product that we will start the season with if there is a season.

    by mgb on 6/27/2011 4:29 AM
  87. Thanks MGB
    I really believe that the missing link on this team is the PF position. LA needs help. He played too many minutes last season and I hope it doesn't come back and bite of this coming season. I hope we get a banger. (NeNe)

    by civilhold on 6/27/2011 4:36 AM
  88. MGB and Civilhold:

    I don't believe the roster is complete for the starting of next year either, I may have read between the lines wrong, but I don't think they will give Patty a qualifying offer. That would be a bummer.

    I may disagree with you on the biggest need as being PF, If Chris Johnson works out this summer I think he will be the back-up PF. Nevertheless, if I know Nate, he will go with a lot of small ball, especially now, and that means LMA will play a lot of duel roles. and I don't like to see Crash slide over to the PF spot at that time. But, I have to admit, a line-up of Felton, Matthews, Batum, Wallace and LMA sounds great. The only problem is like last year, if we can't get a rebound or force a turn-over we have a tendency to get screwed because of out side shooting; therefore when Greg gets back in December that might change. So, I feel our biggest need is to fill the Center spot with another solid backup is our biggest need.
    I am thinking that we Drop Earl and bring back Pendy. If Chris works out a second unit, when we need rebounding would be Smith, BRoy, Batum, Chris J and Pendy. Not all at the same time of course but that would give LMA some rest, Crash wouldn't have to play the 4 so much and we could get more out of Camby with less stress on the time he is out on the floor.

    Then when Greg comes back and the lockout is no longer the factor, we can bring over Freeland and that would fill the hole at the four and the five even better.

    These are only my thoughts, actually I know less then either of you as MGB knows, but in down time I dream a lot and we have so many options. Of course as Kassandra said, if Lopez is available, I think we should pursue him with the idea that we have to give up a lot to get a lot if getting him is even possible.

    One more thing, It is rumored that Minny may have to compensate us for the Blunder on Targuy Ngombo. Maybe we will get Love for the compensation LOL.

    by Hg on 6/27/2011 5:40 AM
  89. I love the season of speculation. It's not as good as the regular season mind you.

    Doesn't Freeland have a buy out if we were to bring him over? From what I hear he's developed to being NBA ready.

    I really would like to see us make a bid for Lopez bad hair and all.

    Vinnie: I tried to think of a way to chide you but I've been too verbose already.

    by Ancientone on 6/27/2011 7:21 AM
  90. I just watched the JUST CASEY show on Blazer TV. Felton looks a lot like Wesley, Deibler is nicknamed 3ibiler and Smith (Smitty on tweet).is very dedicated to winning. They are all good with words now it is time to put their money where their mouth is.

    by Hg on 6/27/2011 3:51 PM
  91. ancientone ..Firstly and formostly,I'm a musician and from Arkansas.Both bad combinationsfor them there high falutin words ,thank god for google.Talk to me brotha,what you wantin to chide me for?

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/27/2011 5:18 PM
  92. Disappearing for so long. I was a Indiana farm boy. Not in a log cabin or by candle light but I read late into the night after chores. A long sentence for my grandpa was 5-6 words. He didn't finish high school and I've got a doctorate. He was the smartest man i"ve ever known. Big words mean nothing.

    by Ancientone on 6/27/2011 5:39 PM
  93. Word ,ancient one ,jus bein facetious.My mom was the smartest person I knew as wll,and she professed to not no have much "book learnin" ,but said she had a hell of a lot of "Horse Sense"

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/27/2011 5:57 PM
  94. Fair enuff...Ancientone..My gardening biz has grown by one third and so while I am enjoying the sucess,it has put a damper on doing some of my favorite things and talking with some of my favorite peeps.Now that I have some help that will change ,stock up your snack cupboard.So,BTW,how are doing?

    by DowntownVinnie on 6/27/2011 7:14 PM
  95. hg; Thanks for the response about G.O.'s return. I heard Pendergraph was invited by a couple teams to work out this week. If that's true he must have been cleared by his doc. If so, what is the blazers plans to secure him or do they have a plan?

    by Divotking on 6/27/2011 7:26 PM
  96. Ancientone: this really is an interesting time of year, though i would prefer the regular season as well (i just hope there is a season; can you not impart some wisdom on the principles involved?!).

    Hg: i had heard something about a comment from Greg's trainer saying he may not be ready until january. i don't know if Adam, et al used that as a source, but if so many people are reporting it that way, i think there's merit. on the other hand, i understand MB, Rice and Tone talk about speculation that Greg may be ahead of schedule and might come back before those prognostications. right now, i'm not quite sure what to believe. as for Ngombo, it's a pretty lame rule that says you can't be drafted after a certain age. i'm just glad the league has awarded us a future second-round pick from minnesota. despite Love, Rubio, etc., i think it'll be high second round!

    civilhold: i'd give up a lot for Nene. in my opinion, he is the best center in the western conference. it's probably a pipe dream, but i think it's early enough in the off season for that!

    Vin-Man: i've been cautioning people here and on some message boards and so forth about the feeling that Pendy is automatically ours to resign. he's not. he's a free agent. it doesn't surprise me that there are some other teams showing interest. he's got some experience and he's tough. it would be great to get him, though.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/27/2011 9:04 PM
  97. Miss Kassandra, Chad said that they were going to wait on Greg until they were sure he was ready and was going to listen to the Dr. so it could be earlier or later. At any rate I sure hope we get him healthy.

    by Hg on 6/27/2011 10:26 PM
  98. Vinnie: Seeing Dr. today about kidney stone otherwise great.

    Kassandra: We saw Jeff playing a lot of center and he held his own, not surprised there would be a lot of interest. Think about the motors on the floor with Jeff, Wes, Crash and Raymond all on the floor at once. The smell of burning rubber from the smoking shoes

    by Ancientone on 6/28/2011 7:41 AM
  99. @Ancientone:
    LMA may not be able to scratch rubber, but he can get going in Gym race once he gets off the launching pad. I have heard he is pretty fast in a sprint. Trailing the break is an important job.

    Good luck on your Kidney stones. My wife had about of that probably due to a massive tumor on her parathyroid and her calcium level going through the roof. We don't know for sure how long she had that tumor, but I am delighted that they got it taken care of her kidney stones all broken up and she is alive. that is why I say good luck, Kidney stones are quite painful.

    by Hg on 6/28/2011 7:57 AM
  100. MB,

    What happen to more to come soon? :)

    by mgb on 6/28/2011 8:07 AM
  101. nm

    by mgb on 6/28/2011 8:28 AM
  102. Hg: Your right. How many teams could keep up with that lineup? Even the long in the tooth Camby can get up and down the floor for a big.

    by Ancientone on 6/28/2011 8:59 AM
  103. mgb: Probably waiting on word on Greg and Patty.

    by Ancientone on 6/28/2011 9:17 AM
  104. Hg/Ancientone: Hg's line "good luck on your kidney stones" could be a great inside taunt for opposing teams. i'm talking about good old fashioned medical trash talking. and think of our opponents' confused looks while, in the meantime Raymond, Wesley and Crash are running down the court on a non-contested fast break! i do believe shouting "GOOD LUCK ON YOUR KIDNEY STONES!" at our opponents might just become next year's version of the three goggles (no disrespect intended, Ancientone; i do hope everything goes well there for you).

    Ancientone: i'd love us to sign Jeff. i just don't want to hear fans get too upset if he ends up with another team. which fifth player would you add to that lineup? i know he played some center, but i'd like him to just be concerned with pf. i've mentioned my dislike for guys playing out of their natural position before. i'd really rather us go as big at center as we can, rather than smaller.

    Hg: there's so much speculation both ways that i really don't want to add more to it. i'm sure there are things which will be contingent on whether Greg returns. i really hope we see an offer extended to Patty as well. however, with Armon under contract, my feeling is that our aussie friend might go. as much as other teams are looking at Jeff, i bet at least as many are looking at Patty.

    DTV: it's been over 18 hours since your last comment ... what's up with that?!

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 6/28/2011 12:43 PM
  105. Kassandra; It is all speculation of when Greg will be back and if he will be back. My main thing is like you we should be looking at filling the hole at PF and C, unlike you in today's NBA it is not a big factor between PF and C. Therefore we could get one to fill both holes. That is OIMO. Good luck with your kidney stones for a battle cry is OK with me. but I have seen grown men get on their knees and scream because of passing kidney stones, so Ancientone does need luck with it.

    by Hg on 6/28/2011 12:51 PM
  106. Hg: that's so true. too much speculation. they say there's no timetable, but i can't imagine there really isn't. sure, it may be adjusted here and there, but there are a list of goals for sure. i realize there's a relation between center and pf, but wouldn't you rather have a 6'11" banger or a 6'8" banger of equal abilities? i don't even want to visualize the stature of someone passing a kidney stone!



    ps: if the taunt does not catch on, i'm blaming my sister, Jessica, who came up with it!

    by Kassandra on 6/28/2011 3:11 PM
  107. Patty has a career in basketball. Despite being Allen's pet there may not be a place for him on the roster this season. Whether he plays D league or somewhere else, he'll be playing ball professionally. Armon's time is now to show major improvement. Does anyone know if the bobcats are holding on to Priz?

    by Divotking on 6/28/2011 5:57 PM
  108. Kassandra: I agree whole heartedly about size. My point was that Jeff could could hald his own with bigger players. I still like to see us make a bid for Lopez. I see Dante has a qualifying offer.

    As I understand it the wire holding the tendon together was rubbing on something for Priz. They removed the wire and it should heal rapidly. I thought he was to be a free agent now.

    Hg: surgery next Wed. unless I have an attack before then. You're right, broken bones are a cinch by comparison.

    by Ancientone on 6/28/2011 7:23 PM

  109. OH come on Kassandra you are not going to try to sell me on it's the size of the man that counts. A short banger is as good as a tall banger LMAO. Seriously, you are right, but Mike and Mike said that Pendergraph looks like a giant compared to the rest of our PF. so I agree with Ancientone that Pendy could hold his own. Then when Greg does come back and it is when he comes back, Jeff could back up both positions if needed.

    Chad said Greg was just starting to run on one of those machines that suspends youe weight as not to put to much impact on your joints. Once you get there than rehab goes faster. Greg said he could start BB moves in sometimes August. This is where the lockout would help. Because of longer time to rehab.

    Good luck with your Kidney Stones

    by Hg on 6/28/2011 9:52 PM
  110. I think we are pretty solid. Gerald can play some pf and if pendagraph can come healthy he can throw in some solid pf mins i trust, he looked great last pre-season and i want to see more, c is the shaky spot, but that can be covered by chris johson if he continues to improve and maybe he will learn from marcus camby (especially with more muscle and wait gained) i think he could be solid if oden is not ready,

    Felton/ armond-smith
    roy-mathews/ elliot williums
    gerald/batuum/ babbit
    la/ pendagraph/ maybe gerald, marcus (if oden is healthy), johnson
    marcus/ oden/ johnson

    by jamsmashers on 6/29/2011 6:02 AM
  111. The only good thing about a lock out would be there would not be any pressure to get Greg back on the floor too early.

    While waiting Camby and CJ could be serviceable at center and Pendergraf backup PF. I like him much more at power forward.

    If Priz has his mobility back and M.J. doesn't pursue him too agressively what would you think of bringing him back?

    by Ancientone on 6/29/2011 6:06 AM
  112. Sorry guys, time on my hands. Remember we still have Freeland hanging out there and he is a power forward with some offensive skills and he's 6'10".

    by Ancientone on 6/29/2011 6:15 AM
  113. @Ancientone: I am glad you have lots of time,your post are very educational and insightful
    This is things I have read not necessarily the views of the publisher LOL.
    It was said on BE that a shorted season could actually be rougher on injured teams, and lack of depth teams because the schedule is condensed and jambed into the remaining month. back to back to backs is common, 4 games in 5 nights is the norm and very few days off between road games and home games.
    That could be rough on Greg to play that many games in a short time.

    You said Priz had the wire taken out of his leg and that should promote healing without pain. If he heals, and I think he is a UFA as of July 1. I would be more then glad to have him back.

    If we drop Earl, Patty(cry) We would have room for Joel and Pendy. I don't think Freeland would come over until the year after the lock-out so we will know more by then. Freeland can also play C very well.

    by Hg on 6/29/2011 8:42 AM
  114. Thanks Mike (I'm back in Portland btw!). It was a shock to me when I saw the email from the team detailing the changes that were made (i hadn't check in on Thursday as I was busy with exams). I like Felton's energy on the court and that will be one advantage over Dre. Don't get me wrong, I have much respect of Dre overall and for what he did for the team the last two years. I'll alwsays remember teh 52 pt game vs. Dallas.

    Speaking of Dallas, wow, wonder how Rudy will fit in there. Seems like he will have a similar role, or that is at least what my uncle said (he's a huge fan as well).

    Anyways, need to catch up with your posts!

    by Anees on 6/30/2011 10:19 AM
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