mikebarrett

Jan 11

Ice-Cold Blazers Rolled by New York

By mikebarrett
This is what we call a "trap game."  You can see these coming, and often times there's not much you can do about it. 

Before this game, on the pre-game show, we talked about the fact that the Trail Blazers can't let the Miami Heat beat them twice.  But, in my opinion, that's exactly what happened.  On Sunday, in the final 1:45 of that game, it went from a confidence-building win, to an emotionally-draining loss.  Both of those can have carry-over effects.  The latter most certainly did on this night.  

But, that's barely half the story.  The New York Knicks, who have been playing very well lately, were steamrolled by the Lakers on Sunday.  They shot just 36 percent in that game, and Amare Stoudemire was just 7 for 24.  So, you knew none of that was going to happen again.  Add that to Portland's emotional hangover, and you get the result we saw at the Rose Garden on Tuesday night.

Then, you start asking yourself, if Portland had beaten Miami on Sunday, would they have beaten New York in this one?  We'll never know, of course, but I think it would have totally changed the dynamic of this game, and would have changed Portland's mental approach.

Also, add to all of this the fact that LaMarcus Aldridge got into early foul trouble, and it starts feeling like the perfect storm.  The only thing that could have rescued the Trail Blazers was if someone else could have gotten hot and carried this team.  That didn't happen either.  When you experience a very tough loss, like Sunday's, you start feeling other things, like the fact that Portland has played more road games than any other NBA team.  Things build.  Legs tire, and shots end up short.  And, you can start feeling sorry for yourself.

Even if you don't buy that entire explanation, it all was undoubtedly a factor.  The Knicks took full advantage, and beat the Blazers 100-86.

The Blazers, who shot just 42 percent on Sunday, and nearly survived, shot just 35 percent in this game and that was just too much to overcome.  New York shot 50 percent, answered every Portland run, and earned a split in the season series.

Given all that happened in the first half, including the fact that Aldridge was limited to just 6:27 of playing time, Portland probably shouldn't have been within 6 points at halftime.  And, things went fairly well to start the second half.  The Blazers, in fact, grabbed a brief lead at 59-58.  But, the Knicks answered that quickly with a 15-3 run and it was never in doubt again.

Despite his foul trouble, and that fact that he played only 29 minutes, Aldridge did his part.  He scored 19 points and pulled down 10 rebounds.  Marcus Camby also did his job, pulling down 16 rebounds and blocking 6 shots.  But, no one else even shot 50 percent.  Wesley Matthews was just 2 for 13, and the bench ended 7 for 22.

The Blazers tried to scrap, hustle, and grind out points.  But, when you shoot 35 percent, you cant' survive very long.  The glaring, and uncharacteristic, stat that jumps off the page was that Portland ended the game with only 8 assists on 29 made field goals.  That's an ugly ratio, and shows the offense was broken on this night and no one was hitting anything.

To listen to Nate McMillan's post-game comments, click here.

Next up is a back-to-back situation.  We'll fly to Phoenix on Thursday, and take on the Suns on Friday night.  What makes that tough is that it's an 8:45 start in Phoenix, and then the Blazers host the New Jersey Nets on Saturday night.  But, if there are two teams that can get you back on track right now, it's Phoenix and New Jersey.

But, even against struggling teams, 35 percent shooting won't get it done.

58 Comments

  1. I call it the Heat hangover.

    by blazerdarren77 on 1/11/2011 11:14 PM
  2. Our offense did have to work harder than you'd have expected against the Knicks, but as in a lot of our recent games where we ended with a poor shooting percentage, I didn't really find myself unhappy about taking a succession of bad shots. We gave up too many easy shots and didn't get enough of our own, but we also missed a lot more of the okay-to-good shots than you'd expect. And that has been the case a lot lately. Maybe your cumulative-travel-fatigue theory is the explanation, but I still feel like we're missing something. Some of Wesley's poor results again came from forced shots, but he also missed the solid shots we've seen him make. LaMarcus wasn't really as sharp as usual when he was in there--he created more turnovers than just those he was charged with--but at least the team had the sense to go to him when he was in there, and it's amazing that he came so close to 20-10 again on a ragged night with sharply-reduced playing time. I imagine some of the problem on offense comes from the opponents' high shooting percentage, which keeps us from catching them in transition, but we were also having a lot of trouble running on misses; they almost always got more guys back than we got down court. We looked like the team near the end of a road trip, and that's worrisome. In the last few weeks the Blazers seemed to have figured out what they all need to do to win, but missing a lot of shots can create doubt and uncertainty, and I think we saw some confusion creep in tonight. Mental fatigue would certainly explain why the Knicks baseline lurker kept getting lay-ups. That's usually a "fool me once" situation; "fool me four times" is "shame on me" squared.

    by Islander on 1/12/2011 12:50 AM
  3. Bummer loss, but predictable as you said Mike. Hopefully it won't carry over to the Suns game.

    by mgb on 1/12/2011 2:03 AM
  4. Again, another game with a low percentage from field from Mathews...

    Oh, I wish right now we had Martell or even Outlaw, I dunno. Just to give that spark , you know?

    Anyways, I agree with Mike, that Miami alrdy beat us twice. This loss seemed to start since the last game, but even so, we can't deny the fact that Knics played very very well (I love the way they're playing right now. Fields and Felton and Douglas rock!)

    Can't wait 'till Blazers get finally on track, get some "easy" schedule and roll over everybody. I'm stil optimistic ^^

    Cheers from Brazil
    GO BLAZERS !

    by Tiago Torigoe on 1/12/2011 3:10 AM
  5. Mike:

    We have lost our last three Tuesday's games. Is there a stat on that? Kassandra did a check and according to stats Tuesdays was the night we should play all our games on, but it seems that that trend is broken. But, at least I don't watch the agony just listen to it.

    Batum said that no player can stay up for every game and the secret is to minimize your lows. When the whole team is low then it is time to look else where and I believe you hit it right on the nose. Mental fatigue due to the extended high of playing Miami could be the he culprit. In any sports of any walk of life, you can only stay up emotionally for so long then you have to have the drop; that is just life, and that is the reason for so many street drugs, people try to extend their emotional high or try to avoid the downer. But it is just not going to happen. They will live through this loss and go on to win and lose others. At least we can say that NYK is a pretty good team and we played them tough for three quarters and a half before our wheels came off.

    Now it is time to rest, lick our wounds and move on. This was not an important game as far as winning in the West, but all the games will become important as to keep us on track. We will survive.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/12/2011 5:00 AM
  6. I think this loss can be hung on the huge let down of only ALMOST beating Miami, which had happened only a few games before that with Dallas. I imagine it affects the confidence of especially the younger players when they lose like that to teams who are ranked better than them. As soon as we lost to Miami the way we did, I was more concerned about the Knicks game.

    It was gratifying to see that LMA continues to not be intimidated by anyone. The alley-oops didn't fall this game, but he still managed to get his, playing about 15 minutes less than he usually does. Too bad he couldn't keep the 25-10 streak going :) I gave up on the game as soon as I saw him head to the bench with 2 fouls though. I think Amar'e is LMA's true nemesis.

    These are the consistent players - LMA, Marcus Camby, and Joel (consistently not doing as much as he used to). Patty and Nico have had some consistency LATELY. Andre's play seems to be steadily falling off, which is really strange, since many believed he would pick it up in BRoy's absence. I don't know if he's necessarily being inconsistent as much as simply not doing enough for the team in general. Rudy, Wesley, and Dante are just all over the place, and I never know what to expect from them. Where the heck did Rudy's shot go? I did not once expect that this season would see us shooting so terribly from the field time and time again. Along with playing inside (LATELY), that has become the most consistent thing with the Blazers - they shoot like pooh!

    If Wesley has a superb game against either the Suns or the Nets, I think a pattern will be discernible with his level of play. Of the three who are playing all over the place, I am the least concerned with him, then DC. Rudy concerns me more than anyone. At first, he did better with Patty on the floor and BRoy gone......but now? He is doing some other things, that's true, but ultimately, we need someone to consistently hit that outside shot, be it for 2 or for 3, and Rudy is supposed to be that guy. The last few games the "other" things he had been doing have also decreased. Sigh.....oh well!

    I love this team though, and if everyone would simply play their game, and keep it loose, I think we could really give most teams a run for their money, even in a 7-game series.


    Btw, does anyone know where Brandon is? I didn't notice him on the bench for either of these games. Greg was there, off to the side and back closer to the tunnel, but I couldn't find BRoy and nothing in the media even mentioned it. Anyone?

    by EowynAmarie on 1/12/2011 8:38 AM
  7. Eowyn Amarie:

    It was said that BRoy was going to see a specialist to see about Mencii replacement surgery. Details and Dates illude me, but that may be where he is at the moment.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/12/2011 8:49 AM
  8. Let's call a spade a spade. This was an embarrassing effort or more accurately lack there of. But this is a big boys game and we know we're better than we showed. Take a day off, retune the engine and half-track (in drag racing you win by half the lenght of the track) the next in line.

    by Ancientone on 1/12/2011 9:17 AM
  9. i was at a workshop and didn't see the game. disappointing. i thought we'd come out hungry afer the miami loss, but we seemed flat. i believe we have the talent to pick up the slack in games where LaMarcus gets into early foul trouble and, other than Rudy, it doesn't look like anyone else did so.

    ironically, our best chance for a win may come on the road tomorrow night against a team we've already beated three times this season.

    i don't really have much else to say about the game itself.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/12/2011 9:37 AM
  10. Our offense has started to look like Orlando's when we handled them earlier this year. We played Dwight one-on-one, and let him score 40, while we tried to hold everybody else to single digits. While LaMarcus should obviously be our main option, teams are usually not doubling him in the low post. That's one reason why our shooters are struggling. On a night like last night where Turiaf was playing good one-on-one defense on LaMarcus, our offense in it's current state will really struggle. Nate is going to have to mix up the offensive sets in order to help some of the perimeter players get going because LaMarcus can't beat teams by himself. The spacing with Andre on the court is especially horrible, and he looks disengaged, possibly due to the trade rumors.

    by C. Larry on 1/12/2011 10:02 AM
  11. As I posted on the message boards, I'm sick of these emotional hangovers. It seems whenever the Blazers play well, and finally someone stops them, they stop them completely. Aldridge and Camby, I tip my hat to you. Even Rudy and Batum played fairly well. But poor officiating in the first half that led Aldridge to having a quiet night, and no one stepping up on the scoring just ended us in our doom.

    Bad game, and I'm getting quite tired of it. You can lose a game and move on. I understand it's part of having a younger team, but the fact of the matter is you got a ball game to play, and you either come to play or you get the hell out.

    I wouldn't allow my team to play as awful as the Blazers did last night, and I would make them run laps or something. But yet, I'm not coach sadly.

    by Herr on 1/12/2011 10:28 AM
  12. well said Mike. Hope they can leave both games behind and get a win against the suns!

    by RedRudy5 on 1/12/2011 10:37 AM
  13. I just want to also point out that our fans did not bring their A-game either. Compared to Sunday night's game we barely even showed up. Hard to get our boys pumped when we're sleeping on the job. It was quiet as a mouse in the arena for most of this game.

    Get yer act together Portland.. our boys need us!

    by AndyPierson on 1/12/2011 11:21 AM
  14. Its starting to be a routine for Barrett and Rice at the start of a game, to start making excuses. Oh gosh we just had back to back games, oh this road trip, blah, blah, blah.
    Wish I had a job, that would allow for sub par performence and still get my millions.
    Herr I dont think making them run laps will do any good. They would just use that as an excuse for losing again. How about a $30,000 fine for lousy performance. After all 35% shooting, give me a break. A good high school team could have kicked our butts last night.

    by Methuselah on 1/12/2011 11:31 AM
  15. Blazers are the worst 3pt shooting team in the league.

    Maybe their goggles are fogged...

    by 500Dogs on 1/12/2011 11:33 AM
  16. against the best, you have to keep them guessing


    coach nate most often has the right game plan in mind. in my non-expert opinion, what gets him in trouble is that he sticks with one strategy.

    against the heat, lebron and everyone else knew the long jumper was the shot that portland's defense was giving, and by the 4th quarter, he took what was being given. chris bosh also knew that a top of the key jumper was not going to be closely contested (much like scola did in the rockets playoff series). these are the correct shots to be giving up, except for the fact that the other team knows where the shots will come from. the blazers need to shake things up and break up the other team's rhythm late in games. defend those jumpers on a few occasions and change things up, knowing that you are going to give a hard foul in the lane. do this just enough to keep them guessing, and not just by mixing in a zone defense.

    offensively, the same is similarly true. whether it is brandon or lamarcus on a clear-out, this is the best option for the blazers. the problem is that when the end of the game was coming, NY had aldridge's timing dialed in. they would attack just as he was starting his dribble and drive. good teams can defend good players when they know what is coming. there are only a couple of players in the league that could be regarded as "unstoppable" on their own. what needs to be mixed in amongst lamarcus' iso sets are plays with lots of motion and 3rd and 4th options for wesley and nic if there isn't a shot for LA or andre.

    again, this is my non-expert opinion. i'm no coach, but this is what i see. everyone in the building knows what is going to happen, including the other team.


    against the good teams, you have to change things up.

    by reverse on 1/12/2011 1:25 PM
  17. You noticed when LMA got into foul trouble we had no answers. As I've said before, we need a big, strong, backup PF so when we lose one of our bigs we can still contend. I don't see us going too far in the playoffs without one. I see some moves before the trade deadline at the 1 and 4 positions. Without help we're looking at the 7 or 8 seed!!!

    by Gavinfan on 1/12/2011 3:26 PM
  18. I don't normally comment, but I have to point out how soft the Blazers looked against NY. Aldridge and Camby looked fine, but the rest of the small ball team forced by NY's small lineup was soft, soft soft and were walked over by the Knicks.

    by Scree on 1/12/2011 4:11 PM
  19. If Miller is playing less interested because of rumors of being traded......then I would have to conclude he is not NEARLY the professional veteran he usually gets credit for being :)

    It's pretty clear outside of LMA, Camby, and..............um, having trouble here........Batum?...anyway, it's clear outside of our two bigs (!), we have either some personnel issues, some emotional/mental issues, some youth issues, or some coaching issues. We have had some really good wins lately, and even a few games where we played gorgeous basketball, but mixed in with that has been a whole lot of terrible shooting nights, regardless of the W or the L. When we win, its much easier to overlook, but its remained a concern for me for awhile now. The difference seems to be that in our wins, either one other player has an unexpected and breakout performance, or the bench ALL have a good game, or there are several players who managed to break out of their individual slump/funks and make a significant contribution. Basically, to me, it seems we are operating by chance, and not necessarily skill. We will win if we get lucky enough to have an X-factor come into play.

    I thought we were playing better "motion offense", what happened?

    by EowynAmarie on 1/12/2011 6:40 PM
  20. Certainly nothing that happened last night lessened my desire to see Ronny Turiaf in a Blazer uniform. He's the right guy for us right now. He can back up at both the 4 and 5 and give us that inside impact we miss so badly at times.

    La Marcus can't continue to play 40 minutes a night and Turiaf could take some of that pressure off him. Not knocking Dante, but he's simply not a true NBA PF. He's overmatched inside against most PFs in the league.

    Mr. Cho, please work something out!

    by dgpdx on 1/12/2011 8:07 PM
  21. When I use to follow boxing I'd be so pissed when I paid for a expensive match only to see it last a few secs. I recall thinking they should make it winner take all. That way you would see effort from both boxers. The comment about fining the players $30K reminded me of that. Maybe that's what we should do with each basketball game. The winning team's players get paid that nite while the losers don't. You know you would get 100% effort that way for sure! Plus players wouldn't care about individual stats they would just care about the team winning.

    by mgb on 1/12/2011 11:14 PM
  22. I like where you're going with this MGB. Just from the money the Cleveland Cadaviers would have had to pony up from the Laker game alone could get their team back on track. The league could have paid for a couple of shooting coaches, a therapist, a masseuse ( to help rub out the pain of a 55-point defeat), and a team mistress or two. They'd probably have enough left to get each player a box of sports cream. Having the worst record in the nba is nothing that a little Ben-Gay can't take care of. If ever there was a team that went from Wonder Dog to under dog, who floated like a butterfly then got stung like a bee in one year's time, I can't remember it.

    by Phi Slamma on 1/13/2011 9:58 AM
  23. Eowyn Amarie:

    Maybe you should put this in your saved message folder, I agree with you completely on your assessment. Do you believe that from a dispute personality LOL.

    My wife keeps the saying alive of live by the three, die by the three. Everytime I get excited about a lot of threes going down, she is there to remind me of that saying. And of course, it seems like the very next game she is there to say "I told you so"---GRRRR.

    Kassandra is always bringing up the fact of players being really inconsistent that is effecting our team play, and I always argue that they are young and will get more dependable, Now I am starting to agree with you and Kassandra--Scary isn't it LOL.

    Rudy for all the great he has brought us has also let us down about the same amount. Batum (my favorite player) brings it then slides into no show. Do I have to mention Wesley? Just read all of Kassandra's opinions on that. She gets lots of slack for her opinions, mainly from me, but she has hit it right on the nose. He is really AC-DC.

    If Nate's Offense is primarily Inside Outside then only half is working well enough to be confident in it. I am not a BB analysis, I don't know how much opposing teams are able to force their will upon us, but we are in reality the worst team in the NBA at outside shooting, and that is not good with our style of offense.

    I always defend both up-tempo and half-court offense as important to the whole game, but maybe we should abolish our half court and go exclusively run and gun.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/13/2011 10:02 AM
  24. EowynAmarie: i've been as big an Andre defender around here for the past several months, but i have to conclude, as you did, that he doesn't seem to be the professional for which he is given credit. i think in his career he has been, but two things have changed:

    1. he's been in nearly every trade rumor out there. i understand that can nag on a player. it's my inclination to believe that in this situation, a true professional would do everything he could to raise his level of play to show management it would be foolish to trade him. i think we've seen instances in the league where this has been the case. in the least, he could raise his trade value and potential future contract by doing this.

    2. his time in the fourth quarter has diminished. the team is quicker when Andre is not in the game, and Patty has emerged as a guy who can push this team up the floor more quickly than Andre. that's just the way it is. as an additional note, Patty has had some very efficient fourth quarters, especially as of late.

    i don't know who the next option for us is after LaMarcus (who, in my opinion, has been excellent this season). there are games where Nicolas has stepped up, but he's still too inconsistent to be considered that option. the same can be said for Rudy. he played very well against new york, but we haven't seen it night in and night out. for a while it looked like we'd be able to stick Wesley into that number two role. however, and with the exception of his career night against minnesota, he's shot just 26.5 percent from the field (18-68) in the other six games. again, not very reliable.

    we need that second option. right now, i don't think we have it. i don't have the answers; i could float any number of names out here, but just because i float their name doesn't mean their current team would be willing to trade them, so that seems quite futile.

    all i can really say is that i hope Cho is working as hard as everyone seems to be saying he is.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/13/2011 10:03 AM
  25. dgpdx: you're right about Dante. he's a sf (perhaps a very good one if we were ever to actually play him there). he's jst too undersized to play pf. don't get me wrong, i see him battling there and he's really doing the best he can; he's just at the wong position.



    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/13/2011 10:08 AM
  26. Kassandra:

    Oh No, agreeing with two women at the same time, how can that be LOL? (read my post just above yours). EA says we depend on luck on who steps up as the second option, and I agree that is not a good way to have your second and third options on offense. Of course, I don't have any answers.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/13/2011 10:13 AM
  27. tuesday night after the game, i was discussing blazer player acquisitions with a couple of friends who also made it to the game. my major point was that whomever the next players brought in are, they need to be physical and durable. no more finesse players, or players with injury history. with patty, elliot, rudy, brandon, nic, luke, camby, and greg there is too much fragility. they need some more rugged players. there is never a guarantee of health with any player, but GM Cho needs to put that big brain to work and put more emphasis on physicality.

    nic needs to follow lamarcus' lead and use the coming off-season to gain some strength in the weight room. he may have just turned 22, but now is the time for him to start maturing his body. we've seen plenty of his basketball potential in terms of talent as a player. now he needs to put it all together by adding strength and greater consistency.

    by reverse on 1/13/2011 10:46 AM
  28. Whoa there, Miller isn't a professional because he's bothered by trade rumors? Is that really what I'm hearing? My oh my, how short the memory is around here.

    Anybody remember this time last year when Andre was named the most likely player to be traded by ESPN? What happened next? Oh yeah, he hung 52 pts on Dallas. That's the kind of pro he is.

    If anything is pissing him off, it's that spaz Patty getting his 4th quarter minutes, which is the most boneheaded move of the season by Nate (maybe the 3 guard lineup is little worse). I know we need 3pt shooting, but at the expense of the rest of the offense? Worse that that, look at what becomes of the team defense! Patty is a scrappy man-to-man defender, but gets lost on team d. Anybody remember him ending up on LeBron? You know that wasn't in the game plan. So yeah, he can shoot the 3...at a whopping 31%. This the guy that invented that crappy 3 goggles gimmick? Give me a break.

    If I were Miller, I would have been chewing gravel in the Miami game when, halfway through the 4th, Miami was in the penalty, Patty had done some damage (7 pts), and yet Miller, the Blazer most able to get to the line, is left on the bench until literally the last minute. He could have been shooting fouls for the rest of the game. Instead, the Blazers didn't go to the line once for the rest of regulation. Patty went on to score 2 more pts and dish out 0 asts.

    I can only hope Nate learned his lesson. It looks like he did: Patty played less than 4.5 minutes in the 4th against NYK and bricked his last shot (a 3pt shot); I guess his goggles broke. Tweet that.

    by 500Dogs on 1/13/2011 11:41 AM
  29. i'd love to see a tnt double header of nw division losses tonight.

    the florida teams need to come through for us blazer fans and beat the nuggets and thunder.

    i never thought i'd fall prey to lebron's influence, but i'm actually at the point where i may become a magic fan because of my disgust with james' rampant narcissism. outside of ray allen the celtics are completely loathsome, so supporting them is not an option. the magic at least are another small market team with an affable star.


    after playing the nets on saturday, portland will be at their half way mark for the season. i hope they can get a couple of wins and put themselves at 22-19 by then. by the end of the month i'm hoping for 26-21 and the start of their climb out of 8th place.

    as for the nets, how about we scratch that andre for devin harris trade. instead let's try for brook lopez. you can build whatever you want around an aldridge/lopez front court. it isn't time to panic, but if they could swing this, it would be the kind of bold move that would move things forward. once carmelo goes to the knicks, maybe nj will be open to shaking things up.

    by reverse on 1/13/2011 11:46 AM

  30. interesting news:

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/1/13/1933456/roy-scheduled-for-surgery-on-both-knees

    the radio speculation was that he could be back in 4-8 weeks.

    if b-roy came back in march, the timing could be opportune for playoff readiness.

    i think timing is crucial in trying to give playing time to draw his game and the team together.

    by reverse on 1/13/2011 1:39 PM
  31. A Arthroscopic surgery many times is done to give the Dr. a chance to see the damage done with their eyes. Much of it is done as exploratory, much as Greg's goes in for clean up and comes out with micro fracture surgery.

    Therefore if it is just clean up and they can give him time that would be great, but that will not undo the damaged knee.

    Optimistically I hope he has some time left. Pessimistic, I don't think it is for very long.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/13/2011 2:28 PM
  32. jeez 500Dogs, do you actually read your own stuff? apparently not. all you did was whine and complain about one player ... and your criticism of three goggles is ludicris. i loved how you mentioned a couple of Patty's lower-scoring fourth quarters, yet omitted -- only by mistake i imagine -- the miami game when he scored 11 of his 13 points in the fourth. then there was the game at houston when he had 12 points in the fourth.

    we are not struggling because of a humorous, camaradarie-inducing gesture. that may be the most ridiculous thing i've ever read on this blog. really, and all this time i thought you actually might have something interesting to say about the game of basketball. perhaps i was mistaken.

    look, i get it; you don't like Patty. judging from your past comments, you really like Armon. that's fine, but to only accentuate a player's negatives is to give an incomplete picture. i don't know if Patty is a long-term player for us or if Armon is a long-term player for us. what i do know is that whining, complaining and misplacing responsibility for failure does absolutely nothing to help this team -- or any other team for that matter.

    Patty needs to work on his defense. from what i know of him, i bet he'll be the first to admit that. but see, here's the thing about when he switched off to James in the miami game: he didn't do any worse than Andre when the latter ended up guarding James.

    my point here really is simple: if you're going to analyze something, look at the big picture rather than just a few petty points which would seem to make your case, just becaue you'd rather see a different player as the backup pg. realistically, i just want to hand you a tissue, because judging from your words, the tears must be gushing like multnomah falls.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/13/2011 4:42 PM
  33. Wow, Kassandra--great analysis of my comment. I can tell you really dug in there to see what I had to say before typing a reply. I was particularly moved by the part where you write, "all you did was whine and complain about one player..." In reality, I covered two players--Andre and Patty--in the context of an ongoing conversation about the former's attitude.

    I also found the part where you assume my dislike of the goggles is related to the team's shooting woes to be very enlightening. Nowhere did I write that. No, an immature gimmick can't be responsible for the horrendous shooting streak this team is on from distance. I just find it ironic that they have a specialized celebration for something that they're terrible at.

    I am very sorry to have misled you; I don't have anything interesting to say. How sad. From my end, I've never expected anything interesting out of you, so I am not shocked by your reply. While you're handing me a tissue, you might want to cork the hole your brain has apparently leaked out of. You're a Stanford student: start acting like it and read before you write.

    by 500Dogs on 1/13/2011 5:35 PM
  34. Dogs: What you said to me privately was right on the money and I couldn't agree more.

    by Phi Slamma on 1/13/2011 5:36 PM
  35. P.S. You're only finding out now what I discovered a year ago.

    by Phi Slamma on 1/13/2011 5:40 PM
  36. Whoa, whoa, whoa......crazy talk going on in here!

    I hope everyone has by now heard about Brandon. If not, read the linked article a few posts above. Since it's both knees, and HG is right, at least part of this is exploratory, I don't think we'll see him back this season. And try to remember, this is only temporary, if it even works.

    I must accept responsibility for starting the Dre thing, which I actually made in response to someone's post that said something about Dre playing less interested because of the trade rumors. I noted that IF that were indeed true, I would have to re-assess Dre's noted professionalism. It seems it sparked a debate of sorts, which is unfortunate. It was just an opinion, and one that was purely speculative to boot!

    Here's to hoping Dre drops 30+ on Nash :)

    by EowynAmarie on 1/13/2011 5:50 PM
  37. EA: Why is sparking a debate now considered unfortunate? I thought the exchange of free ideas is what made this country great. What's really unfortunate is that any comment made that gets any kind of reaction at all is now being viewed as "hate-speech". One blogger thinks that the 3-goggles are cute and a bonding experience and others see it as a ridiculous display coming from the worst three point shooting team in the league. I hope you don't fall into the same snare that others here have and guard your every word out of fear of offending someone, that would be a shame. Criticism of the team or a player is just as valid a viewpoint as all the feel-good comments that are on display here. It seems the poster who criticizes is the one who gets the most negative energy here. Please don't add to it by apologizing for your honest opinion. I'm sorry if this offends you. Sorry, sorry, oh so sorry. By the way, did I tell you I was sorry? :)

    by Phi Slamma on 1/13/2011 6:14 PM
  38. I know these are trying and hard times...but we love you Blazers! My life wouldn't be what it is without you. God be with all of you. Get well B ROY & ODEN. Godspeed.

    by Bull Frog on 1/13/2011 7:30 PM
  39. I think giving 4 year HUGE contacts to players with history of knee problem is half crazy. They may be franchise players, and first round draft picks. But I fear owners have, or should have learned their lesson.
    The big question is where to go from hear.

    by Art97124 on 1/13/2011 8:15 PM
  40. Kassandra
    You need to practice what you preach regarding being one-sided about a player. I've yet to hear you say anything positive about our no. 2 scorer Wes Matthews. When he scored 29 points in the first half and set a new career record, not a peep from you. I think we all are all guilty of having certain players that we like and defend but I think we need to chill and have a civil conversation about them and not let our preferences effect our our writing.

    by Gavinfan on 1/13/2011 8:34 PM
  41. Slamma: Have I mentioned how much I appreciate your honesty lately? Well, I do, absolutely. To me, most of the time, your opinion and even your delivery is welcome. If I were truly walking on eggshells, I obviously never would have dared to criticize a player most on this particular blog love and frequently defend. I also wouldn't continue to confront anti-Brandon opinions whenever I see them. No, I am not in a snare, at least, I don't think so, lol! Rather, I prefer to maintain an environment where I can actually have some reasonable debates with other Blazer fans about the Blazers. As I have mentioned a few times, I get enough animosity over at FV, where the Blazers are regarded generally as a joke. Personal insults and antagonism rule half the threads there (need a more local example? Try OregonLive's comment section). Also, I respect what Barrett is trying to do here, and have always regretted getting into so much negativity on what I perceive to be a shared space between us and him. On top of that, this particular structure allows for private and direct messaging where interpersonal issues can be handled, without involving the rest of the blog, who are probably not really interested. There is a fine line between lively, heated debate and straight antagonism. I enjoy the debate and appreciate when everyone is able to reign in their emotions and move on. I honestly don't like it when the conflict between posters becomes the topic, and that's about as real as I get :) Send me a message if you want to talk further. I addressed your words to me publicly this time, but would prefer to continue this privately, if you feel its necessary to comment further.

    by EowynAmarie on 1/13/2011 9:21 PM
  42. 500Dogs: you're attempt to turn around my comments are laughable. the whole turn-it-around-on-the-other-person thing never works on me anyway. i obviously did read your comment and that's why i was able to respond clearly and concisely to what it said. the majority of your comment was a whine about Patty. if you can't see that, then you truly do have comprehension issues.

    yes, you mentioned TWO players. however, your whining and complaining only pertained to ONE of them. perhaps, as i initially suggested, you should read your own writing. it's well known here that you don't like Patty -- or at least don't care to see him on the court. again, maybe you should review your posts.

    okay, maybe i wasn't specific enough for you in addressing the shooting troubles, but that's really what we're all talking about here. it's unfortunate that you haven't been able to keep up. what i find very curious is that you have basically made fun of the three goggles because we are at the bottom of three point percentages in the league. honestly, that's pretty bad. however, the three goggles is not an indication of us being a great three-point shooting team. there is a back story which has extremely little to do with our actual three-point shooting. if you choose to learn about the back story, Casey Hodahl has a pretty good blog about it from about a month ago. i suggest you read it.

    now, let me help you out with the actual quote, as you left a huge piece out of it: "i thought you actually might have something interesting to say about the game of basketball." there it is, the whole thing rather than your cut off version. what i meant by that was that you're not really commenting on a lot o basketball, and your repeated complaints have focused on the frivolity rather than the team and game itself.

    seriously, how many times to you think you have to mention the goggles in a negative light in order for us to know that you don't like them? we get it. for my part, i really don't care about the gesture one way or the other. i really just think it's sad that you are obviously so worried about that (again, check your own writing recently and you'll see the abundance of your recent comments).

    in my opinion, you have extremely little credibility, if any at all. your right up there with the Billy Bobs, Nick Taylors and even Phi Slamma (though i am flattered you two have been talking in private about me, regardless of the words you may or may not be using -- please continue if it makes you feel better!). i do not require yours or anyone else's validation to feel free to speak my mind. i was brought up to feel free to do so, therefore i will continue to follow my parents' example, rather than your wishes.

    therefore, your attempts to personally insult me failed. i am a bigger person than that. all i have done here is question your comprehension regarding your own posts and your lame attempts at the whole turn-around game. i guess the fact you chose to go that route with your own comments is that you had nothing legitimate to say on the topic at hand.

    in all of your personal attack (at least be honest about that part), not once did you deny my point that you favor Armon in the backup role rather than Patty, and that was the motivation for your rhetoric against Patty. at least you acknowledged that part of my comment as being true.

    finally, i've attempted to be diplomatic toward you the time i've been here, but it's not worth it. this is what i found when i dealt with PS (et al) last year when i stopped reading his comments. his antagonism is not worth my time and going forward, i will no longer be reading your comments here, beginning with your inevitable response to this post. it's just not worth my time.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/13/2011 11:05 PM
  43. Gavinfan: i've said many positive things about Wesley in my comments here. in fact, i've gone out of my way to accentuate the positives when i criticize his shooting, which right now happens to be my only real criticism of his game. i've repeatedly stated that i hope he does well and hope he becomes the player that is supporters wish him to be. i've also said, many times, that his hustle and defense have been very good this season

    you're probably right that i didn't give him enough credit for the minnesota game. what i do remember from that comment is that i gave Wesley a lot of credit for his play in the first half for leading us to a 20-point halftime lead, and LaMarcus in the second half for leading us in the second half in making sure the timberwolves didn't get back into the game.

    to be honest, my game posts haven't been in-depth as usual for the past several games because i've had several things going on. not trying to make an excuse for leaving Wesley out if i did; it's just the facts of the situation.

    Wesley had a wonderful game at minnesota as you said, 29 points in the first half, 19 of which came in the first quarter, and he shot the lights out that game. i only have only streaming audio for most of the games here at school and remember Wesley's name being called by Wheels pretty much every other word he said. it was a great game, and i certainly will give credit where credit is due for that game.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/13/2011 11:17 PM
  44. Geez, things catching fire on this blog, woot.


    Oh well, NBA.com just got an article saying that BRoy will be undergoing surgery on both knees, and probably (much probably) out for the season.

    Not that I wasn't expecting that, but it's sad that our best player, that had got the maximum contract just this season, will be out.

    Well, I hope that shirt I bough from NBAstore that has the n.7 on the back still brings me many joys, in the next year. Would be sad if Roy were traded (crazy talk, I don't think is gonna happen, IMO), or his effectiveness drops permanently or so ><

    Oh, and the interview that shows Roy talking about his knees features Mike Barret as interviewer ^^ Nice job covering that, MB.

    Best wishes for BRoy, he's my idol.
    GO BLAZERS

    by Tiago Torigoe on 1/14/2011 4:05 AM
  45. Eowyn Amarie:

    I agree with Phi Slamma on stressing your opinion, this is a blog for opinions and they are bound to cause debates. I am terribly argumentative and almost all my posts are debatable. It isn't that I like feisty fights; it is my way of picking posters brains where I can learn more about BB. As you know I take a bite out of posters moods from time to time because I am usually playful and light hearted.

    I don't like the personal attack type debates on the players or the posters, because that is “a lose-lose situation”. But to say the team actually play rotten in the last two minutes of a game isn't really negative, that is just stating the truth, but I love all the different opinions of why we play bad the last 2 minutes.

    You have a great insight on BB and I love your BBIQ. I learn much from you TravisD, MGB, 500dogs, Kassandra and many others. Of course I remember we have had our days, so in that respect I watch what I say and try not to tease as that is a fault of mine.

    Long short, if your opinions are a cause for a debate; it is far is far from being unfortunate in my book. Debates are educational for me. I get your input and many others. Some debates get to intense and a little out of bounds but for the most part they are great.

    Keep your posts coming.

    Hg

    by Hg on 1/14/2011 4:26 AM
  46. There is an amazing monument in Berlin on Unterderlinden Strasse; it is a 4' x4' window in the sidewalk. Through the window is a massive room, painted white, filled with empty bookshelves. This monument lies at the exact spot where banned books were burned during Hitler's ascension.

    Ignore dissenting opinions at your own peril. The world is richer for every voice that is not your own.

    by 500Dogs on 1/14/2011 9:16 AM
  47. a nice piece on B Grant. http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/brian-grant-an-inspiration/

    by DowntownVinnie on 1/14/2011 10:54 AM
  48. Dogs: How dare you! I am of German decent and am offended by your obviously racial and biased remarks. My grandfather floated to Amerika on a raft made of beer steins, and sour kraut. The last time I personally made a reference to a Nazi theme I was labled, wait for it.... a racist. I say farfenugen! Or translated, "Not far from pukin'". I hereby proclaim that anyone on this site who does not agree with my points of view, I will no longer read your comments. That's right you scheming skunks, that means you. Picture me with a lower lip extended out like a chimpanzee and a foot stomping the ground. I'll top it off with a profanity-laced tirade that would make a person with Turette's Syndrome blush. To those of you who actually have Turette's Syndrome here on this blog (who I suspect are many), I'm sorry, oh so sorry, did I tell you how sorry I am?

    by Phi Slamma on 1/14/2011 12:13 PM
  49. Dogs: that was perhaps a bit too deep for Barrett's world :)

    Slamma: Now THAT was witty!

    Gavinfan: Gonna have to back up Kassandra on the fact she tries to note both Wesley's good and bad. It's just that when he does good, we all ignore the bad. She doesn't :)

    Great story on Lamarcus over at ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Aldridge-110114

    Mr. Barrett: I don't know if you bother the read the blog when it starts getting this volatile, but if you do, I will be hoping that you will pass along my sincere sympathies to LMA about his mother. I hadn't heard about any of that, and it took my breath away when I read it in the article. She will be in my.....well, what amount to prayer. Thank you.

    by EowynAmarie on 1/14/2011 2:24 PM
  50. EowynAmarie: thanks for that link. i try to scan nba-dot-com and espn-dot-com for blazers-related stories, but i missed that one. i had only heard a couple games ago a brief mention of LaMarcus' mother being sick and that he had spend part of the off-season with her in dallas. i certainly had not heard the whole story (or, at least as much as presented in that article).

    doesn't this really reaffirm the type of player -- and man -- that many of us know when we think about LaMarcus? number 12 is one of the good guys in the nba of which we seldom hear; i'm glad someone nationally noticed that.

    it also sheds some light on his goal of being an all-star. when i first heard him say that, i thought it was strange that he put it out that way. i know he's not a selfish player, so i felt it was probably just a goal; a next step in his evolution. now i see his true motivation and i'm more impressed than ever.

    many guys go through life and never learn what it takes to be a man. it appears LaMarcus is already there.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/14/2011 3:02 PM
  51. Vinnie: that's a treat story. i barely remember Grant playing. however, i know the rasta thing was a favorite amongst fans and that my parents loved watching him play.

    it's unfortunate that he was stricken with Parkinson's, but very admirable the approach he has taken with it. the more awareness and public information brought to the forefront by people like Brian and Michael J. Fox can only be a positive.

    i really like how he singled out that one night of last year as his favorite, and i think it's great for the portland community and blazers atmosphere that he's around the area.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 1/14/2011 3:18 PM
  52. EA thanks for the link for LA.

    I originally thought the link was for a different LA article.

    http://portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=129486712286631600

    But when I read posters mentioning his mom I realize it was a different article.

    by mgb on 1/14/2011 5:06 PM

  53. well... we're a .500 team

    just about half way through the season, they're likely to be a half game above .500

    if you had told me that would be the case before the season started, i'd have laughed at you.

    if you predicted 47 wins on the year, or something like it, i'd have laughed at you.

    the joke may be on me, but i'm still behind our team.


    there are about 5 weeks until the trade deadline. the question now becomes, will a move be made?

    the next question, who would actually be attainable that would help?

    if the nets would swap devin harris and brook lopez for andre and marcus, i'd do a youth for vets trade.

    if NY lands melo and that somehow shook ronny turiaf loose, i'd advocate going there.

    sideshow bob is out for the season, along with cleveland winning any more games.

    kevin love would be a great addition, but is he even really available?

    the bald-headed provocateur seems to think joel pryzbilla's expiring contract is worth more than it probably is.


    my view of a deal is that portland needs a 4/5 guy to go with LA, and a pg to take over after andre.

    LA, nic and wesley are the 3 starters you keep to build around, but after that, guys are movable.

    GM cho has a pretty tough job ahead of him in lining up a deal where portland comes out ahead for the next many years.

    i think i'm ready to start talking crazy. miller, camby and oden for harris, lopez and troy murphy?

    the trade machine says yes, but i think it may be possible that until something happens with carmelo, big moves might be harder to make.

    camby and rudy for brandon bass and jj redick?

    i'm still waiting to see dallas make a move that gets them either gerald wallace or stephen jackson.

    some moves may be about to start happening. i for one think that i'm really ready to see something happen for the blazers in the next month.

    by reverse on 1/15/2011 12:25 AM
  54. travisd,

    If you also were told that Roy wouldn't play much and when he did he would be a shell of his former self as well as Oden never playing a game while Joel battled with nagging injuries I don't think you would as hard at our record.

    Disappointing loss tonite. I was hoping for the win, but give the Suns some credit. While LA was doubled a lot other players didn't really step up except for Wesley early. I do wish LA would make a move quickly before the double comes instead of waiting for it and then kicking it out or go the opposite way from the double as I've seen him do before.

    by mgb on 1/15/2011 2:04 AM
  55. POOR TEAM DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's like nobody was guarding Nash the whole game. It seemed like every shot he shot was an uncontested 10 foot jumper. I just can't understand how the coaching staff can let the team continually shoot uncontested shots for an entire game and not make any adjustment to fix it. The Suns made adjustments in the second half to slow LMA down. Why couldn't we take Nash out of his game? I feel alot better after venting that!!! Tough game for Rudy, Cunningham. I hope something is in the works to get some big bodies or we're looking at another first round whooping!

    by Gavinfan on 1/15/2011 11:58 AM
  56. It's most difficult sweeping a season ( 4 games ), especially on their home court. The Sun's Adjusted real well to defend LA on the post. To bad we were not ready to re-adjust, that's were we failed

    by Art97124 on 1/15/2011 3:20 PM
  57. I really hope this loss doesn't come to haunt us tonight. Beating the Heat was too good to be true. Sweeping the Suns, the team that just eliminated us from the playoffs and made the WCF (with a few adjustments) in 4 games on their homecourt is too good to be true as well. I hope this isn't an emotional drainer, but I expect it.

    I'm starting to think that the Miami Heat game put us back to Earth, and made us realize maybe we're not a playoff team this season. I hate to say it, but we absolutely need Roy to return this season if we're to make the playoffs. I didn't think Memphis had the talent, and they'll likely be like Charlotte (as in if they do make it, they won't make it next season), but they could sneak by us. This stretch coming up was suppose to be our stretch to maybe claim 6th seed from New Orleans and Denver, but right now the way I look at the Blazers is that they could beat any team on any night, but they could lose to any team on any night.

    If you told me halfway through the season we'd be 20-21 or 21-20 I would have gone insane on you and probably think you were a hater, but sadly that's where we're at (again, I don't think anyone expected Roy to be out this long and getting surgery, and I think we all expected Oden to return by now).

    I do think we need to make a trade, on our bench. We have a streaky bench, and I'm honestly getting sick of seeing our bench show up one night and be absent the next. A lot of the blame for the record is on them. Even with Roy, we wouldn't have a great record due to our bench under performing.

    We need someone who can score down low on the bench. Right now, we have Aldridge who is the only person who can score in the paint. We have Cunningham and Joel, who play great defense in the paint, but they in no way are scorers in the paint, and neither is Camby. This just shows how much we need Oden, so we need to resign him.

    We also have lousy shooters. Why in the world Rudy and Patty hold themselves on the 3pt line is beyond me. They both have the ability to drive and score, yet they never seem to.

    We need to make a trade, hopefully we can get Anthony Randolph for a first round pick.

    by Herr on 1/15/2011 3:59 PM
  58. Herr,

    I wouldn't think taking the Heat to OT and almost winning the game in regulation would make them think they couldn't contend in the playoffs, just the opposite. After all the Heat had won 12 road games in a road and I think 22 of the last 23 games so I think it showed they could play with anyone. Of course losing when they had victory in their hands would be a mental let down which we have seen.

    I agree about the back up PF, we've needed that last year. Also about the bench not performing well especially on the road. One thing though having Roy playing again would give our bench a little more depth since one of the starters would go to the bench.

    by mgb on 1/15/2011 5:33 PM
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