Dec 13

The Trail Blazers saw their eight-game winning streak in Memphis come to a crashing halt on Monday night, as this four-game trip continues.  The Grizzlies hadn’t beaten the Blazers, in Memphis, since December of 2005.  But, it should be noted, they have been beating good teams, like the Lakers and Heat, in Memphis this season.

Knowing that fact won’t make the Trail Blazers feel any better though.  This will go down as yet another game that was decided by a poor fourth quarter for Portland’s offense.  These are starting to pile up and the team continues to look for answers.  I’ve given you enough numbers about how good Portland has been, in the two previous years, when holding a lead after the third quarter.  This season, they’ve now lost five games when leading heading into the final quarter.  No one is used to that.

In this particular fourth quarter, the Trail Blazers started out with a 64-61 lead.  It disappeared very quickly, as Memphis started the period with a 15-2 run.  Game over.  The Grizzlies ended up outscoring Portland 25-9 in the quarter, and holding Portland to a season-low 73 points.  Keep in mind, Memphis gives up an average of 102 points per game.

The most troubling fact is that this has become a bit of a trend.  It’s the second-straight game the Blazers have set a season-low in scoring.  Their previous worst was 78 points- in San Antonio on Sunday.

Like the game against the Spurs, the defense was good enough to win this game.  But, offensively, the Blazers just can’t get anything going.  After shooting 49 percent in the first game of the trip, in Phoenix, they’ve now shot 38 percent, in San Antonio, and ended up at 37 percent against the Grizzlies.

Going into this game, we said over and over again that Portland needed to get something from the second unit to have a chance.  Well, other than the effort Dante Cunningham provided defensively, Portland’s bench again let the team down.  They shot just 5 for 16 from the field.  They won in Phoenix despite the bench, which shot 4 for 15.  Against the Spurs, the second unit was 7 for 26.  So, on this road trip, the bench is now 16 for 57 (28%). 

You’re not going to win many NBA games when you’re getting that little out of your reserves.  Not only do you see wild runs and swings in momentum during games because of this, you end up playing your regulars too many minutes because you can’t afford to have your big guns off the floor.

This was one of the worries when Nicolas Batum went to the bench in favor of Wesley Matthews.  Now, that’s taking nothing away from Matthews, who has been fantastic as a starter.  But, instead of having that energy and offense off the bench, they now have to break up both rotations in an attempt to keep some power on the floor.  Batum, who thrived at times as a starter, appears lost at this time in his role as a reserve.  He’s better than that, and will find his way.  But, on this trip, for example, he is 2 for 18 from the field.  They have to have more from him.

On this night, however, the starters didn’t exactly tear it up either.  Again, the effort was there, but they just couldn’t hit enough big shots.  Brandon Roy struggled through this contest, going 3 for 16, and ended with 7 points.  Marcus Camby was an absolute warrior once again, scoring 6, blocking 6 shots, and pulling down 14 rebounds.

Like the other wins recently in Memphis, it seemed like Portland had recovered from a bad stretch in the first half, and would eventually take control of this game.  The Blazers started the third quarter on a 13-4 run and grabbed the lead.  They outscored the Grizzlies 22-12 in that third quarter, and appeared to be in very good shape heading into the fourth. 

Of course, it didn’t turn out that way, as the Grizzlies seized control and didn’t look back.  I would say that the crowd got involved, but there wasn’t a crowd.  It’s always stunning to me when we’re in Memphis that they get zero support from this city.  It’s one of the best arenas in the league, it’s an exciting young team, and can’t give tickets away.  There are many cities much more deserving of a team.  It’s a sad situation.  They announced 10,467, but there’s no way there were over 5,000 in the joint.  Again, sad.

Up next, it’s the Dallas Mavericks, who have been the hottest team in the NBA.  Their 12-game winning streak, however, was snapped on Monday night by Milwaukee.  The normal pattern in the NBA, and it’s been this way for years, is that teams who have a long winning streak snapped are usually due for a let down for the next few, and can be vulnerable.  Portland certainly hopes so.  They won twice in Dallas last season, and you know the Mavs remember that.

Talk to you from Dallas.


  1. Ya, as I said on your other blog, being held to 78 by the Spurs is one thing, but 73 by Memphis? That is just terrible!

    by mgb on 12/13/2010 10:31 PM
    Good-Marcus Camby,Wes Money,Dre LMA ..MEH-13 and 6,tough matchup.
    Bad or non existent-Nic?,BROY-Hello,Rudy -Frigidly cold.Dante ,though still hustlin,hasn't made a shot in like 6 months.
    Camby rebounded,blocked shots and has been ONE of the very few Blazers you can count on to do his job every night.Matthews is playing with some heart on d and as one of the only offensive threats to go to the hoop.Dre with 9 dimes (5 to's ,though) and pitching in with 14 points.
    I was going to post this earlier,but I just don't think BRoy is even close to normal.He isn't gettin to the rack at all.His jumper hasn't looked good.I think he is suffering due to his physical limitations. I think we need a backup plan and a CONSISTENT bench scorer ASAP or it is not going to get any prettier
    And I v'e been mullin this one over for quite some time.How much did we know when we signed BRoy's contract ?Just makes me wonder about management.

    I said it before,but Google Allan Houston.You will find some striking similarities to BRoy. Here let me help you.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/13/2010 11:06 PM
  3. When are we going to start kidding ourselves? I don't think we need to rebuild, but we do need to re-create. You see, we can continue to hit the playoffs with this team. Even with how depressing they are, the Blazers are still AT LEAST an 8th seed team. But... we need to wake up, even I do. The Aldridge - Roy - Oden dream is gone.

    But, let's keep Oden and Aldridge, and maybe even Roy. They can still create, but they won't be what we wanted.

    Our first option is LaMarcus. Our second option is Roy. Our third Option is Wesley Mathews.

    Who has been the high scorer? Wesley Mathews. Who has been the lowest scorer? Brandon Roy. So why does Brandon Roy get the ball over Wesley, who has been a great finisher this season.

    Roy needs to step aside and understand his fate. His dream of being the finals MVP is over. He needs to be a role player, and I know it's hard to switch, but he needs to do it. Wesley Mathews on the other hand needs to be our new star player. He has the potential, and can score any shot anywhere on the court, just like Roy use to can. He seems to be much more aggressive and can shoot the three ball. Best part is he's only in his 2nd year. He has LOTS of room to grow, and his performance is already beautiful.

    Push the Championship dreams back a bit, and let Wesley Mathews produce as our teams leader. He should be the first or second scoring option on the team along with LaMarcus. Brandon Roy, at his current strength, is a great role player. But no way should he be taking 16 shots and only hitting 4 of them. We appreciate what Roy's done, but he needs to let go. Plus, WM doesn't seem to have the problem with Dre that Roy has. Roy can compliment WM better than WM can compliment Roy.

    Now, with WM being a starter, we open up a new opportunity, or a new problem. Blazers management needs to pick what they want. With Batum going on the bench, he's been close to useless. Wesley Mathews seems to be replacing him completely.

    So, we can either find a way to put Batum in the starting lineup, or trade Batum while he's still valuable. I say we gather our pieces, trade Mills, Rudy, and Batum for Andre Iggy (I'm not going to try to spell his last name so I'll stick with Iggy until we pick him up).

    Batum and Rudy could get a lot of minutes there, and Mills could become a great backup point guard. Right now though I'd rather keep Mills out of all of them since he brings the one thing the Blazers are lacking... energy.

    So think of this lineup.... Andre, Mathews, Iggy, LaMarcus, Oden (for next season ofc)

    Have Roy compliment the bench and have him start in the 2nd unit, see how that goes. If not, then put Iggy on the bench.

    After that, Trade Roy for CP3 when he begs to leave NOH because they are finally coming back down to Earth.

    With Camby and Joel being old, I really hope Rich Cho is not an idiot that would let Oden go away. KEEP ODEN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

    by Herr on 12/13/2010 11:12 PM
  4. I just realized I didn't even mention Nate. For his sake I won't. I was kind not to mention his coaching during our 4 game win streak, but since we lost another game in which we're the far better team, might as well.

    He's done. I see no improvement from 3-4 years ago. His only play is the pick n roll, and he's not a coach that fixes things in a timeout like Pop or Hollins did. Maybe we should switch coaches with Miami. Get Spo and Miami fans will be happy they have a coach that knows the pick n roll that takes 23 seconds to perform so they take a wild shot.

    by Herr on 12/14/2010 1:08 AM
  5. You spent a paragraph on the bench and one short sentence on Brandon, but I see that the regulars are on the same page I am. Roy looked useless against Orlando, and I was mystified by the number of minutes he played. But he had a good game in Phoenix, so my argument to put him out of his misery went on the back burner. But now we've had two straight games where Brandon has led the team in shots attempted, and as a result had a huge lead in shots missed. He has missed 25 of his last 32 from the field. We won't go into the times he just loses control of the ball or makes bad passes. No, let's go ahead and mention one of the latter, when we had a chance to cut the lead to 2 and Roy got trapped, threw the ball away, and the Grizz ran it back the other way and got a transition three to make it a 7 point lead. That's the leadership he's been providing of late. But because Nicholas has been in a slump, Nate apparently feels we have no options. I think we do. We have lost games I feel we would have won if Roy had only been sitting instead of trying to play. I suspect that Nicholas would improve if he went back to the starting line-up; we were, after all 2-1 with the line-up of Camby, Aldridge, Batum, Matthews, and Miller. I think Rudy would also profit from more minutes, as Roy's are reduced. I think that if the player struggling this badly were anyone but ALL-STAR BRANDON ROY, Nate would have set him on the bench and given him maybe 15 minutes a game until he proves he can make his shot. But the idea that we need to live or die with Roy is a recipe for disaster. Do we really believe that the guy with bone-on-bone knees is going to pull it all together and get back to his old form if we just give him a chance to work things out? I agree that we're moving toward the post-Roy era, though I disagree with the idea that it makes sense to dump the slumping youngster (Batum) and trade him away for short-term help. I can no longer make myself believe that Oden will ever be healthy enough to develop his vast potential, but gambling on the long shot that his body will eventually stop breaking seems a safer bet than pinning our hopes on the man with no cartilage in his knees.

    by Islander on 12/14/2010 1:22 AM
  6. Interesting article on Roy.


    Not sure if it's right or not, but I would actually rather it be mental than physical because that might improve.

    by mgb on 12/14/2010 1:28 AM
  7. Geeez, though loss =/

    Hope Brandon gets allright. He's the man, my idol, and our franchise player. We all know how capable he is.

    Well, it's Dallas up next, if we manage to pull this Win it will be wonderful, and we mabbe get some momentum.

    by Tiago Torigoe on 12/14/2010 3:30 AM
  8. There's no one person to blame our record on. The Blazers are not complimentary of one another and Nate McMillan doesn't know how to make what we have work.

    I don't get our medical staff or McMillan when it comes to Roy. Yah, he's a warrior but no he doesn't know how to read his body. His stiff legged play speaks for itself. Common sense is gone when Roy is allowed to call the shots on how much he plays. When your body is physically hurt you can't compensate it by being mentally tough. Not for 82+ games.

    Before I thought people were hitting the panic button prematurely. Now is a good time to say we're in trouble. Our hopes for being dominant are gone. Our chemistry is non-existent, and we are without a plan to change things; so it appears.

    I'm struggling with how to view this team. It's hard to come from a place of so much hope to now. We have good guys but we play ugly basketball.

    We need more than a tweak. More than anything we need a plan. Where do we go and what do we do? Hello Cho? Where are you? Do you need more numbers?

    Go Blazers!

    by thedanman on 12/14/2010 7:01 AM
  9. MGB,nice link.I think that Broy's physical struggles are creating MENTAL struggles. His unsureness physically has cause him to lose confidence.t
    I wholeheartedly agree with Islander.
    Instead of the whole "live by BRoy or die by BRoy" thing,Nate should cut his minutes and come off the bench to provide some firepower.He would play against the other teams second unit,which wouldn't hurt.
    Something has to change.We are not going to win 50 with Camby as our leading scorer !

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/14/2010 8:11 AM
  10. Good News; LB is averaging 19 a game with the Idaho Stampede :)

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/14/2010 8:49 AM

  11. Mike:
    Well as expected, no encouraging notes in your blog or in the comment section and I can't give any either.

    I liked Herr’s comment up to trading for Iggy. And that is again putting our hopes on one player as we are doing now, it is not question of Iggy being good for us, it is the question of if we could retain him at all. Iggy is playing great, the players you want to trade are playing horrible, and would many GM's make that trade?

    I sure like HERR's change of pecking order and time played. If Matthews is our number one scorer with Aldridge then make them the one and two options. Then if BRoy stays on the starting unit because of his status, not his play then make him the fourth option behind Dre. That was Nic’s old pecking order that created problems for nic on offense. Of course too me it would be ideal to put Batum back in the starting line-up (temporarily) in place of BRoy. That is because Batum and Matthews at least or complimentary to each other on Defense and an asset not a liability on Defense and Offense.

    Nate had no problem benching Nic and Armon when their play went south, and IMO, BRoy other then what he used to be and his Status is further south then Nic's and Armon's. Therefore as an older and wiser warrior, if you keep doing the same thing over and over again that didn't work the first time chances are it will keep getting the same results. You can keep changing role players around BRoy until the end, but in the end it will still be the same ole problem. As Herr said, make BRoy the role player and Wesley the no 1 option until further developments happen. Whether that is replacing parts or changing status, I don't know.


    by Hg on 12/14/2010 9:04 AM
  12. Mike:

    My last post turned out to be saying almost the same thing the islander said, MY OPOLIGIE TOO YOU FELLOW POSTER. I wrote before I read your post.

    All in All, I sound like I gave up on BRoy, and that is not the case, whether that it be mental, as MGB, wonders or physical as the islander thinks, temporarily BRoy is playing injured, with no zest most of the time, and is noticeably gimpy. He just needs to give him self time to either heal or learn a new role, and not at the expense of the teams winning or losing.

    I am not down on BRoy as his new status is no fault of his, I am down on the fact that both Nate and BRoy is trying to hang on to what used to be after the awards or no longer there.

    Our fourth qtr, or third qtr melt down is due to the fact that BRoy, because of his injury cannot produce and that throws off the timing of everybody else's game.

    The cohesion of the whole team is off, that is a fact that is not debatable. The problem lays in what is causing this lack of chemistry, and fix the problem. If that is sitting BRoy down and saying we need a different plan, then so be it, He is a man and a professional, so it is time to face up, not to man up.


    by Hg on 12/14/2010 9:33 AM
  13. I think it's a bit premature to give up on Roy. Even if he doesn't start does that mean he's not going to be on the floor in the 4th quarter? Starting doesn't matter a lot, it's who finishes so there is really no reason to bench Roy. Just when it's in the 4th if he really is the problem don't have him on the court. While Wesley is a high scorer is he a closer? What we are missing is a closer that Roy use to be. Miller is at times, but we don't have anyone that can do it consistently and that's not Roy's fault. Of course if he is slowing down the flow then he shouldn't be out there as a back up or starter when we go through these droughts. But don't be surprise when he isn't on the court getting double that no one steps up. People can move without the ball with him on the court. Standing around is what hurts us from what I've seen.

    by mgb on 12/14/2010 10:00 AM
  14. Anyone remember the speed, spacing, cutting to the basket when BRoy was out? He has been my favorite player on this team but, with his body struggling we still push his minutes. You don't put a 200lb jockey on a race horse.

    by Ancientone on 12/14/2010 11:27 AM
  15. The source of the Blazers' problems can be looked at from several viewpoints. I have always supported Nate for his brief flashes of strategic brilliance, but he is the most obvious choice to place the blame because he determines who plays and does not.

    As most have stated, Brandon does not seem capable of playing at his usual all-star level. The combination of Brandon's strong determination to help the team win and the fact that Roy is the highest paid player on the team has to put a large amount of pressure on Nate to start and play him for an extended period, seeing that Roy is probably about as healthy as he is going to get and there are probably no suitors for his services. Hopefully Blazers management will use the Roy situation as a lesson learned because this type of misfortune can set a franchise back for years to come.

    One completely healthy player who continues to baffle me is Lamarcus. He still seems to disappear in the fourth quarter. He has got to demand the basketball in the post and force teams to double-team him. That is one of the few ways the Blazers can get better shot attempts in the fourth quarter. I am tired of seeing Lamarcus get the ball and hoist up a 15-foot jumper that seems shaky at best under 4th-quarter pressure. More base-line screening action and less pick-and-roll should be used towards the end of the game.

    I agree that Cho should probably be looking to add some firepower to the bench, but NBA caliber players will usually break out of a slump with increased playing time and better play-calling. Movement of the ball from one side of the court to the other should open up the court for driving lanes for players like Nic and Rudy. After gaining confidence by scoring inside the three-point line, hopefully their three-point touch will return to them.

    by C. Larry on 12/14/2010 12:18 PM
  16. Lets hope facing the hot mavericks puts some fire in the team's effort- just don't understand these 4th quarter meltdowns....

    by RedRudy5 on 12/14/2010 12:59 PM
  17. Interesting that we want to put all the onus on the bench when they are not even getting enough minutes to get any rhythm going. I mean serously, NICO played like 8 minutes...

    The offense is stagnant - no serious screens, no real ball movement and mostly everyone is standing around watching instead of moving with intent and asking for the ball.

    MB - why is it that we pay the coaches and the players to play bball for a living and yet they cannot adjust to game time situations? If you go cold from the field POUND the ball inside and get to the FT line...ARGH.

    Love these Blazers...absolutely a frustrated fan!

    by Suzy-Q on 12/14/2010 1:10 PM
  18. the blazers are 7-3 at home.

    they are 5-10 on the road.

    things will balance out to some degree with time.

    the allan houston thing may have some merit.

    i felt the dwight jaynes thing is out of line. it appears he's quoting commenters and emails to his blog. from his various media positions he should not be doing that, even if it is his blog. he even questions himself on the issue. if he had question means he should have known better.

    nic getting 9min and some trade chatter flaring up have me wondering. the dec. 15th restriction on trading free agents signed this off-season is over in a few hours. andre is acting a bit weird too. his reverse full-nelson body slam on vasquez raised my eyebrows. obviously i am speculating, but nic hasn't logged that few minutes since the rockets playoff series and opening night his rookie year. 9min for nic, 8min for joel, weird body slam from 'dre???

    if at some point a move is made, i hope that they keep wesley, brandon and nic together. in the future, brandon should be the pg, wesley the sg and nic sf on offense. on defense, they could mix, match and switch to great extent. if those 3 learned to play together over time, i think they could do some great things.

    to solve their bench scoring problems, they should run. lamarcus at the 5 with dante, nic, rudy and patty. joel and marcus should be dividing about 36-40min at the center position. the aldridge led reserves then run for 8-12min a game. they couldn't do this last night because of foul trouble.

    lastly, i'll give nate some credit. the fact that we all expect so much after everything that happened last year AND the beginning of this season, shows how well he did with the team last year. they have had a few bad road losses at this point, but also logged a solid home win against orlando as recently as thursday. and, i'll spread the credit around. PA seems ready to make a move with his new gm. additionally, after seeing a quarter full arena on tv in memphis last night, i'll give us blazer fans some credit. we show some love for the team even when they struggle.

    by reverse on 12/14/2010 1:32 PM
  19. just when you think they've taken care of the 4th qtr collaspe, it comes back to bite them big! Now it's in their heads and their mentality is shaken completely. The only comfort to find is that their schedule will ease up in January with more home games than road.

    by blazerdarren77 on 12/14/2010 6:09 PM
  20. you can't blame one player for the collapse last night. it's not like Brandon was the only one missing shots in the fourth quarter. i know many are advocating benching Brandon.

    but for whom? i've tried to previously defend Nicolas, but he's inconsistent, as is Rudy. Armon and Patty are definitely point guards, perhaps sans garbage time. seriously, who is there who is a better option than Brandon?

    there are some other options to try.

    * avoid having Brandon run the point. we are three-deep at pg with Andre, Patty and Armon. we have Wesley and Rudy who can play the point. simply put, we have other options there. as he retools his game and/or makes the adjustments he needs to make, why are we playing him out of position? Brandon does better when he plays off the ball, then receives the ball and can work for his shot. he's not his strongest -- nor the strongest for the team -- when he's running the point.

    * instead of running our offense through Brandon, how about we make LaMarcus our first option? he had a great first half against memphis, pretty much sat the third quarter in foul trouble, then played the entire fourth quarter and our offense pretty much ignored what he could have done for us.

    * if teams go big, as memphis did, why not go big ourselves? early last season, there were instances where Greg and Joel were on the court together. there's no reason we can't use Marcus and Joel at the same time if the situation calls for it.

    * give Joel more minutes. we're past the point we have to monitor him each time up and down the court, and Joel can handle more time on the court (provided he's not in foul trouble).

    * avoid playing LaMarcus at center. he can do well there in spurts or against certain teams, but he's most valuable to this team when he's playing his natural position of pf.

    * play Patty a few minutes in the second half. he's been playing about five minutes in the first half and bringing a spark of energy and enthusiasm -- two things we could have used at the beginning of the fourth quarter.

    in my opinion, Nate is not coaching with intelligence right now. there are a lot of options he's not exploring. the above suggestions are just off the top of my head and i think that, at least in spots, each could work.

    look at other options, because what we're doing now is not working.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 12/14/2010 10:07 PM
  21. something came to my attention last week, so i looked into it a little bit. i ask and encourage you all to check out my blog on playing different days of the week:


    if you feel so inclined, please leave a comment.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 12/14/2010 10:10 PM
  22. Kassandra: thank you very much for speaking what was largely in my mind.

    Brandon-to-the-bench fans: please explain how putting a slow-paced guy who relies on outside shooters to spread the floor and can't find his own jump shot half the time is going to have success among a group of players that is playing inconsistently, can't find their jump shots, and who prefer to play up-tempo ball? Everyone says to stick him there, but just how does that help things? You think Brandon is above feeling demoralized, and thus, performing even more poorly coming off the bench? Besides, NO ONE on the bench right now is worthy of taking the starting spot. Perhaps everyone should be reminded that Nicolas lost his spot due to inconsistent play in the first place. Benching Roy, a huge risk to his morale imo, in favor of maybe, just maybe increasing Batum's in the hope that turns into higher production is just now how the NBA typically works.

    The problems here go deeper than Brandon's on-again-off-again knee issues. Lamarcus disappears in the 4th (and has for all his time here). Andre is aggressive, then totally passive. NO ONE is hitting their shot from outside consistently. Ball-handling just keeps getting looser and looser. For every lovely run-out or high-low pass or alley-oop, there are plays where everyone just stands around and watches.....the other team rebound the ball. They aren't just watching Brandon do his ISO thing btw. They are watching everyone do.....well, not much. The team is liking watching the incarnation of a split personality as a basketball team. They don't seem to have a real identity, and their confidence appears to be extraordinarily FRAGILE right now. I still think all of this stems from the mental let-down of seeing the Championship plan suddenly dismantled. I am still hoping for patience, but I do believe moves will be made if things don't improve in a noticeable way over the next few weeks.

    I expected them to lose these games, so I am not too upset. The Spurs and the Mavs are two of the best teams in the league right now and we are just above bottom-feeders. No contest imo. The Memphis loss could have gone either way.

    by EowynAmarie on 12/14/2010 10:41 PM
  23. Well Well fellow Blazer Fans.................I read through most of everyones opinions and agree on many, and disagree on a few.

    Ok..lets not trade Mr. Batum. pure and simple, hes quite talented, and lets remember boys&girls he still a youngter. He's played almost his entire career as a starter, and now combined with coming off the bench and NEW players to play with, his rythem is not set yet. Lets give him time.

    Broy- In Godfather it was said "you break my heart"..well this does. Isnt it incredible in the most negative way, how our next franchise player, our all star, the man who would pick up where Clyde Drexler left off, our 4th quarter hero..Aplayer that Kobe and Artest both said hes the best player they played against, is looking like this???? WOW is all I can say. So I think its time to re-evaulate the situation and adjust. Trade him? No!..ofcourse not, not now anyways.

    Roy needs to come off the bench, simple as that. Batum needs to start, simple as that. M&M boys Miller and Mathews, with Batum and Aldridge and Camby as your starting line up. That line up can run&gun, fast break points and play stingy defense.

    Then you have Mills and Roy&company come off the bench, and Roy can settle down the bench guys with organized half court basketball, it will give the bench a good leader as well.

    Lets see how that goes...but ofcourse Iam not the coach, and who knows if this will happen. I dont know much, and these are just my opinions. As for Nate, he has done a good job on bringing up a young team to where it is today, but Maybe its time for someone else? Maybe the current players are too comfortable with him, I dont know, But I know were not seeing many postive results in the coaching department, and as much as I dont want to admit it, this needs to be addressed. Were playing very sloppy and unorganized. Obviously you give Oden a chance next year, you got too,weve waited this long :)...give the big fella a chance, if he doesnt cut it or re injures himself, then yes you let him go.

    Last but not least lets stay positive Blazer fans, remember; we lost blake,outlaw,bayless...some new faces..team is still getting used to each other, trust me..No Pendergraph either...little things to keep in mind, and changes will come, its just a matter of when.

    by whitefeather21380 on 12/14/2010 11:34 PM
  24. As EA so succinctly stated, we are indeed somewhere just above nba bottom feeders. Caught between a carp and a lobster, the cockroach of the sea. Maybe that's why even teams like New Jersey and Washington can lick their chops when they see us coming. Who doesn't love to butter up their record with a little home cooking courtesy of the blazers? Don't mean to add garlic salt to the wound but even the wins are leaving me less than satisfied lately. Recall the Phoenix game. We played a certain style for 3 and 1/2 quarters to grab the lead, and the last half of the fourth quarter a slowed down, hold-the-ball, and hope-we-don't crap our pants style, to exit with an escape from the arena that was too close for even an Houdini's comfort. At least he had handcuffs while being submerged underwater as an excuse. Alas, like our friend Houdini, those who are holding our collective breaths while the blazers are dog-paddling, will ultimately drown. Does a tree falling in a forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it? With that logic I will say that the blazers failing to score 80 points hasn't happened because I did not see the games. So we're still 4 and 1, right?

    by Phi Slamma on 12/14/2010 11:38 PM
  25. BRoy is still a great asset. On the nights he's got it going ride him, on the nights he doesn't hold him to 25 min. and let the quick and speedy spread the floor and go. Those who cut and move get rewarded instead of watching Brandon use the ball to make sure every board is securely nailed.

    by Ancientone on 12/15/2010 8:37 AM
  26. I miss Martel:(

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/15/2010 8:38 AM

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/15/2010 8:47 AM
  28. what's up vin diz, i went to your last link. i don't get it.

    by sudelander on 12/15/2010 11:04 AM
  29. OK, Sudeybear,here it is again.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/15/2010 12:50 PM
  30. EA,
    You want a reason to bench Roy? How about the fact that he's "a slow-paced guy who relies on outside shooters to spread the floor and can't find his own jump shot half the time". That doesn't sound like a good match with a tempo-pushing PG, an electric SG, a gazelle PF, and a slim Center. No, that sounds like a great match for a unit of confused, spastic, youngsters with a slow-paced Center. In other words: Armon/Patty, Dante, Rudy, and Joel. You want three-point shooters to create space? You've got them. You want slow-paced players that can methodically set up plays? Say hello to Joel and Dante.

    Folks that want to keep him in the starting 5 are facing the wrong direction. There's no point hoping for a return to form: it's over. The Roy and Oden era had it's run at the start of last season, and it wasn't even that good. Just let the beast die, rather than whipping its corpse with an outdated map to the promised land.

    by 500Dogs on 12/15/2010 1:39 PM
  31. My take on Batum's declince can be summed up in three points...

    First, Monty's departure has slowed his growth because there's no longer a coach that knows his position. Monty was a SF, and knew what Batum needed to do to develop. Between Nate, Bernie, Bob and Buck, none of them have a clue what it's like to be a lanky forward. Nico lost a mentor and that can't be discounted. Nate has been coaching Nico like he's a big guard (back down your man in the block...just like Andre).

    Second, he was given a new role this season, but not the chance to grow into it. He was expected to be more of an offensive weapon, but as soon as he misses a few shots he gets yanked. Batum is a rhythm shooter; he needs to take a few before they start falling regularly. He can bury the three, just not like Rudy in his rookie season.

    Third, he got benched. What do y'all think that does to a young man who earned his spot through a whole lot of hard work and some great luck? It must have killed him. Now he's expected to find his place in a new group...oh yeah, and he's still gotta fill that new role.

    It all falls on Nate, who apparently hates small forwards. Any problem with the starters and he benches the SF in favor of a guard. This is a crappy pattern that hurts the team in general, and the SF specifically because they don't know where they stand. Furthermore, he's basically told Batum to be someone else. It's like beating a dog for not climbing a tree. Just let the poor thing chase a squirrel.

    Unlike most of Nate's critics though, I think he deserves to keep his job. Nate has done some great things with these guys and I believe that he'll make the adjustments he needs to, just like last season.

    by 500Dogs on 12/15/2010 1:45 PM
  32. Quick reported on the fan that Roy called the team together at practice and apologized for his comments to Quick.

    by mgb on 12/15/2010 1:45 PM
  33. Thanks Vizzle, what i meant was, I don't understand the article's point. if it's a joke i apologize. i'm kinda clueless about that stuff :)

    by sudelander on 12/15/2010 2:46 PM
  34. I don't understand the "trade BRoy" talk at all. First off, who'd take him? Max 5 year contract and bad knees does not make good trade bait. Last year he'd have been gobbled up by several teams, not any more.

    So, who do we have that would be good enough trade material for Mr. Cho to make a significant deal?

    Veterans: LA, Fernandez, Camby, and Miller. And the last two are only there because they have expiring contracts.

    Youngsters: Matthews, Batum, Cunningham, and possibly one of the young point guards.

    Of course neither Rudy nor Nic have not helped their trade value with their lackluster play of late.

    That's it folks. Who do we want to give up to get better?

    One possibility is to try for one of those deals where a last-year guy gets traded, cut, and resigns with his former team. In that case, we only trade the expiring contract, not the player.

    Back to Roy. I think he can still be a productive NBA player, just no longer the guy who will carry a team. If he can find it in himself to be more a facilitator for guys like Mathews and LA, then he can still be valuable to the team. He's got to mold himself to the team though, rather than the other way around.

    by dgpdx on 12/15/2010 4:31 PM
  35. Sude .....no point:) sometimes..... most of the time I use humor to break up the negative vibe from losing .I will try to label these next time.I enjoy good satire.The Onion does that well.Sorry for the confusion.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/15/2010 5:02 PM
  36. 500 Dogs: As often is the case, you make some good points in an articulate way. However, I would have to respectfully disagree with two of them. I'm not sure if you have seen Buck Williams play or not. I suspect no, but regardless; the blazers have a long legacy of forwards in the mold of a Luke, Buck, or Brian Grant. All known for their competitiveness and toughness. I can't agree that Buck can't teach Batum anything because he does not have the same body type. Like with other sports, when all things are equal its the mindset and mental part of the game that separates the winners from the wanna-be's. As for Batum being in a slump, I said it two years ago and I'll repeat it. Batum was a serious liability in the series against Houston. Once he can show that he is a consistent scorer that can be relied upon to be productive offensively than we can't very well say he is in a slump. These men are insanely paid to play a game that I would gladly play for free. If being benched disrupts him and tailspins him into a funk than it only proves my point about his problem being a mental one. I agree with you that replacing the coach will not solve our problems though. Good call.

    by Phi Slamma on 12/15/2010 5:15 PM
  37. 500: What you are saying makes some sense. However, I think the article Dave wrote on BE best illustrates the negative side of putting Roy on the bench.

    My perception, based on watching the games, is that despite all the rhetoric, there is no real pattern of who plays what when. There are games where Brandon fails, Lamarucs fails, Dre fails, Camby fails, Batum fails, Rudy fails, and Wesley fails. There are games where they fail and succeed no matter WHO is on the court or who is handling the ball more or who is and isn't rebounding. There is NO pattern to any of this. Trust me, I have been tracking elements like Bench production, FG%, Points in the Paint, Droughts, Rebounding, Doubles, balanced scoring and on and on. We have won games we should have lost and lost several games we should have won. We've won 2 games when Brandon didn't play. We've won 1 game when Miller didn't play. Those sample sizes are far too small to make a determination of whether or not the first unit plays better with or without either one of them.

    BRoy gets the attention when he fails, but that doesn't mean other people on the team are not performing their jobs as well. How many games have we seen where Camby only got 5 or 6 rebounds? Where LMA only made 3 or 4 FGs? Where Dre didn't make it to the FT line or even get into double digits? Since Wesley started, he gets points, but have you looked at his assist and rebounds? Not so great....and when he came off the bench, he had difficulties finding his shot and playing in rhythm. Nicolas is so streaky, it drives me nuts! He has a sting of great games, then a string of terrible ones, then he has almost career rebounds, then can't locate the backboard and forgets how to jump. Rudy goes on fire and then.......nothing. Point is, moving BRoy does not solve these problems. These guys have issues when Roy is on the court and when he is off. They have them when Miller is there and when he's not there. They are all having issues, at various points of the game, under a variety of line-ups. Considering everyone's confidence level these day, how do you think moving the 3-time All-Star, max-contract guy to the bench would affect everyone? Scare them straight into playing superior basketball? Maybe. But it's just as likely to make them all freak out, and start wondering who is next.

    Maybe the real problem is that the system wasn't broken, so why did KP try so hard to fix it? We won 54 games and made it to the playoffs for the first time in 6 seasons. Yes, the guys we had maybe weren't going to get us further, but KP never even gave us a chance to see. Instead, the front office brought in a PG whose style didn't fit with our starting unit's chemistry or style of play, and expected that man with experience and a very high opinion of how well he plays to come off the bench. When his insistence to start finally displaced the PG who fit in with the unit we were building around (Roy and LMA), and he showed what he could do, the game plan shifted slightly. Dre opened up opportunites to play some different offensive sets and it all looked good. But that subtle shifting affected Brandon's play, and I believe, continues to do so. I don't think Roy keeps complaining because he has a big ego and needs to be the man. I think he is complaining because he knows what used to work for him, and admits he is having great difficulty adjusting to a new offensive system. So again, why fix something that wasn't really broken? Most would say, well, we weren't gonna get any further with that group. But guess what? We aren't any further with this one, are we? In fact, we are steadily slipping backwards. And now, it looks like blowing this team up further is on deck.

    I cannot aruge with the idea the Miller has saved the day for us many a time. But I can argue that sometimes, staving off the inevitable is just staving off the inevitable. Had Miller not been here last season to "rescue" us (this could apply to Camby, too), the organization might have been forced to come to terms with their reliance on Greg Oden and Brandon Roy sooner. Sure, we all enjoyed the 50 wins last season, but I would rather have had 40 wins last season and been in a better place THIS season, with a deeper bench and a true back-up PF, PG, or Center. Miller helped us survive, but he's never really been more than a stopgap. Well, the dam has burst, and imo, it's time for him to go, with whomever else can bring back the right pieces to this squad. No, Outlaw and Blake are not walking back in the door, but there are other players who can contribute in similar ways. Roy is not going anywhere. Accomodating his style of play has to continue to some degree, unless the organization is just going to send him the to the 15th spot on the roster and totally sign off on him. Is that really going to happen in the near future? Probably not.

    by EowynAmarie on 12/15/2010 5:30 PM
  38. Vinnie,

    If some new knees came in then I would have been interested!

    by mgb on 12/15/2010 7:12 PM
  39. Phi Slamma,
    I was pretty young when Buck was a Blazer, but I certainly did watch the goggle-sporting rebound machine. He was one of my favorites. As a kid, it was Clyde, Terry and Buck--those were my guys. When I heard he was being hired on as an assistant, I was fired up. I think there's a lot that he can teach these guys, and his tenacity for rebounds--whether he's directly responsible or not--has shown up at moments in Batum's season.

    What Buck can't do is replicate the expertise that Monty picked up from his years at the SF position, but that's not what he was hired for so the comparison is unfair. Buck was brought on to fill the sizable void that Maurice Lucas was going to leave as big man coach. Nobody was hired to train wings in Monty's absence, because apparently Nate doesn't think we need them.

    by 500Dogs on 12/15/2010 8:21 PM
  40. rudy sucks so bad! no wonder he wants to go back home to his mommy. what a waste!

    by sudelander on 12/16/2010 1:04 AM
  41. 1Aldridge was a monster, an absolute monster! Tough loss to the Mavs but I'm happy that we fought a good fight. Mavs are good and we gave them a run for their money. Can't ask more from this team. Glad to see Roy alter his game and not force the game through him. It helped the team.

    Go Blazer!

    by thedanman on 12/16/2010 8:41 AM
  42. LMA showed last night that he can be a dominating player inside last night, he needs to do that more often.
    We looked like the Washington Generals in the first half. What's with that?
    The running quick play in the 2nd half shows that this team has the players for a running team. It's sad to see an allstar dragging his legs up the court and watch the team lose it's spacing and come to a crawl. What was with having BRoy on Dirk in the 4th. Dirk had been quiet until he saw Roy guarding him and he started to salivate.
    I think LMA's success was because the court was spread and everyone was moving. I know that many are down on Rudy, note all of his shots are short, but he is active and still helps spread the court. He's not an all star defender but he is more effective and quicker than Roy (sad but true)

    by Ancientone on 12/16/2010 9:04 AM
  43. By the way, great play by Nick and Dante last night.

    by Ancientone on 12/16/2010 9:09 AM
  44. A big part of LA's success was that the Mavs were playing him straight up rather than doubling him as soon as he gets the ball as most teams do.

    by mgb on 12/16/2010 9:10 AM
  45. MGB:

    That is true on LMA, but it was because Mills was pushing the tempo and Dallas didn't have time to set. Also Dante and Batum was making their shots and they couldn't leave anybody to dbl LMA. Even Joel got in the mix with a pick and roll when they tried to leave him.

    Going small was when LMA did most of his damage in the fourth. That will probably not work with most teams, but I am impressed with the ball movement and people movement and fast pace with Mills running the show.


    by Hg on 12/16/2010 9:29 AM
  46. Who doesn't love to fool around on ESPN's Trade Machine?

    Hearing the interest in Jamal Crawford that's been floating around, I figured out an interesting way to get him...


    That's a link to an Oden and Miller for Bibby and Crawford trade. Considering how thick the East has gotten, a team like Atlanta might be willing to take a chance on Oden, and what they give up for that chance isn't going to kill the franchise. One veteran PG for another, and a 6th man for a possibly dominant center. Sounds believable.

    I'm not married to the idea, but I've always liked Bibby and it would be an interesting way to check out how much credence there is to the floor-stretching PG necessity (Bibby's shooting 54% from behind the arc!). This would also free us up to work on a deal involving Rudy to net that backup PF, as we'd have a guard off the bench who can produce in Crawford.

    Really, I'm just happy to hear that Cho targeted a player I like.

    by 500Dogs on 12/16/2010 3:12 PM
  47. you know, i posted some ideas yesterday which i thought might improve the blazers' play. two involved LaMarcus. Nate employed one of those last night and it worked very well.

    if Brandon's game has changed and he's not the go-to guy, then LaMarcus can fill that role. he proved last night he can do it. he took a couple outside shots, but he was also dunking and getting his shot across the lane. this is what a lot of us have wanted to see from he and the blazers. LaMarcus did not disappoint. he shot well from the floor and played some very tough defense on Nowizki, even stripping Dirk of the ball on at least a couple of occasions.

    the problem is that dallas just couldn't miss a shot in the fourth quarter (figuratively speaking). they had a couple of open looks, but we contested them pretty well. despite that, however, the shots just dropped in the fourth. it's hard to win when the other team can't miss.

    hg's comment regarding Patty pushing the tempo is spot-on. my aussie twitter friend didn't shoot well from behind the arc (our whole team dropped the ball on shooting threes -- pun intended), yet he pushed the tempo and it bothered the mavericks. we made some headway during the times Patty was on the court.

    Nicolas played well and provided the to highlights of the night while shooting well and snaring 11 points his behind the back, over his head dunk was number six on nba-dot-com's plays of the day. that was a great assist from Patty ... or shot ... what exactly was that?!

    i thought Dante and Andre, at times, made some nice contributions to this effort.

    i am, however, a bit confused that our centers played a combined 26 minutes. i understand that we wanted to go small and more athletic, but i think we really could have used the defensive presence or Marcus or Joel. it seems odd that neither of them were in the game for nearly half of it.

    so, another loss, but this one is a little easier to take given the battling i saw right down to the wire. every time we got close, and even tied the game on a couple of occasions, dallas seemed to have an answer. the mavericks are a very good team and i think we played well against them, even if we didn't quite make it over the hump.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 12/16/2010 4:18 PM
  48. Sudey .......JOKE ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not o make fun of the B's,but to make light of our season,I thought I'd post this for the FUN of it.Hope you can appreciate it for what it is .ENJOY (OR NOT)
    This is also definitely one of my favorite sites besides here.


    by DowntownVinnie on 12/16/2010 4:32 PM
  49. Kassandra:

    We all know that was definitely a pass from Patty to Nic, if you don't believe me ask him LOL.


    by Hg on 12/16/2010 5:35 PM
  50. The players will be the first to tell you that there are no moral victories. You know you've arrived when your discussion boards light up with the merits of whether the latest loss was tolerable compared to previous ineptitude. I imagine the Clippers message boards are pondering whether to accept their red-headed step child status, or whether Donald Sterling is working undercover for the LA Lakers. Losses always result in questions concerning the game plan, and wins; well even a one point squeaker seems to silence the critics, if even for one day. O.k., most of them. I've still got plenty to say. I too am perplexed by the lack of size displayed in the Dallas game. Poor Nate. Poor sweet Nate. He's got a harder job then Spoelstra in Miami. Too much talent, too little, what do you do?

    by Phi Slamma on 12/16/2010 5:47 PM
  51. Kassandra
    I noticed your suggestion to utilize LA more with Roy hurting. Great coaching! I think you might be able to make better adjustments than Nate! LOL Everytime I get on-line I'm hoping to see a headline of Cho's first major trade for a good PG backup or a big aggressive backup PF. Cho is still our GM isn't he? Or did I miss something? I think PA needs to spend some big cash to get us any new players that will make a difference this year!!!

    by Gavinfan on 12/16/2010 5:49 PM
  52. I doubt Nate was against using LA at the end of games now that Roy is having such problems, but normally LA fades at the end of games. Most likely LA playing at Dallas was the biggest reason, besides not being doubled much, for his improve play. He would be a all star if he brought it every game like he did at the Mavs.

    by mgb on 12/16/2010 6:07 PM
  53. ,Gavinfan: Other than your obvious woody for Kassandra, I am able to observe many things. A nice looking young man such as yourself, and a hot little tart, probably see this site as an undercover dating site. I'll help you out. Dial 1-900-(fix meup) and tell them "Slammy" sent you. Seriously, just havin' a little fun. If I offended you then stand in line, it's a long one. Oh ya, go blazers!

    by Phi Slamma on 12/16/2010 6:21 PM
  54. Gavinfan part deux: If your name is Gavin, does that mean you are a fan of yourself? I must say that you remind me of a pup that my wife and I spent many a splendid moment playing pinochle with. Alas, he turned out to have gay tendencies, but who would have thunk it?
    Like you, I also pondered presenting my image with my name. Picture if you will a cross pollination of a Steve McQueen, Burt Reynolds, and Yanni. In my mind's eye I can see you googling Yanni as I speak. Please don't do that.
    Maybe you're upset. Don't be. You have a choice.... to wither away like the leaves of autumn or to stand against tyranny. What will you do?

    by Phi Slamma on 12/16/2010 7:51 PM
  55. Phi Slimma
    You're not worth my typing more than a one line reply!

    by Gavinfan on 12/16/2010 8:04 PM
  56. I'm waiting for that one line.

    by Phi Slamma on 12/16/2010 8:46 PM
  57. Bi Slimma
    I'm thinkin that you don't have a pic because you're butt ugly and about 150 lbs overweight.

    by Gavinfan on 12/16/2010 9:49 PM
  58. That arrogant statement said way more about you then it ever could have of me. Thank you for your coming out party. Ever seen the movie "Shallow Hal"? You could have been the star . I will be tanning the next few days in sunny Palm Springs. Even if I was overweight as you suggest, by your remarks, you have proven yourself to be the biggest loser.

    by Phi Slamma on 12/16/2010 10:42 PM
  59. Can you guys take this private. When I get a notification for new comments I expect blazers related comments. I doubt without a audience this would go on very long.

    by mgb on 12/16/2010 10:46 PM
  60. LMAO! This is pure comedy. Vintage Slamma. "alas he turned out to have gay tendencies" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahaha! lol. WOW!

    by sudelander on 12/17/2010 1:37 AM
  61. i'm still laughin! it hurts!

    by sudelander on 12/17/2010 1:38 AM
  62. SudeyBear....Just like the old days, huh.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/17/2010 8:17 AM
  63. In his defense,just because Phi carries a lot of "Roofies",that doen't make him any less manly.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/17/2010 8:22 AM
  64. I'll always be indebted to Phi Slamma for his advice to me for cancer rehab and heads up on chemotherapy, but his rudeness is hard to tolerate


    by Hg on 12/17/2010 8:45 AM
  65. just like the old days viz! this is so friggin funny though i'm still laughin.

    i'll still watch every game, but to me this era is close to being put to a disappointing end. sad.

    by sudelander on 12/17/2010 10:01 AM
  66. hg: i'm going to tweet Patty that very question and see how he replies! from the conversations i've had with him, he's a pretty funny guy. i think he'd like that.

    Gavinfan: i see the LaMarcus thing with how orlando uses Howard. if you don't double team him, he can hurt you, but if you do double team him, you spread the floor and someone else should be open. of course, there is another reason he had his best game against dallas -- it's his hometown. nevertheless, we should certainly be looking to LaMarcus in the fourth quarter.

    mgb: you have a good point about LaMarcus fading in the fourth in a lot of games. i think that's a matter of time management on Nate's part. he needs to develop LaMarcus' rotation in and out of the game to try and preserve him for the fourth quarter. that might counter the fading aspect on those nights.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 12/17/2010 11:17 AM
  67. i often try to imagine ways to make the team better

    the following is some thinking aloud. i'm not married to these ideas, but if i were PA, rich cho or even coach nate, i'd try to think about how to make moves that could still land the team in the playoffs, AND increase future potential.

    -move brandon to pg
    his game should be re-made in the mold of none other than andre miller + an outside shot. his goal should be 12-14pts a game and 7.5asst. no more high-wire, power-layin, 3-against-one drives. the new b-roy is a distributor on offense, and defends 2s and 3s on defense. the low-impact game is now his game.

    -extend pryz
    joel is the model for toughness, even when he only logs 5min a game. the blazers can not lose their moxie. the only way you trade joel is if: he will come back in free agency, OR he wants to be traded to minnesota and kevin love is available, OR there is a trade offer that is just too good to be true.

    -trade marcus for ronny turiaf and timofey mozgov of the knicks. you get 2 bigs for one. a 4/5 combo that is ready to play alongside lamarcus, and a young 7 footer. you'd probably have to throw in luke babbit and kelenna azibuke to make the numbers work. you'd also have to cut sean marks to do a 3 for 2 trade (which sucks cause he'll probably end up with l.a. after that).

    -trade andre and dante for brandon bass and michael pietrus. another big that has that 25lbs of muscle that dante doesn't, and a 3pt shooter that has decent size. with brandon as the distributor, you don't have to get a pg in return. turiaf, pietrus and batum are featured on t-shirts that say, "what the french?"

    if all of these were put together, you'd have a starting line-up of:


    and a bench with

    the whole crux of the thinking here is now that things have completely shaken out, the major roles change quite a bit. brandon has to contribute somehow, and has to start playing a team game as a pg. lamarcus has to spend half his minutes at the center position, and start holding down the middle on a permanent basis.

    other trades i'd be interested in:
    anderson varejao
    kevin love (mentioned above)
    some other player in his mid-twenties that can play near the basket with lamarcus

    if they have to sprinkle in draft picks here and there, i'd do it. drafting more young perimeter player won't help. keeping andre and marcus might land the team in the playoffs this year, but next year?

    don't hate on my comments. this is just another round of me playing "you be the gm". if you have other ideas, throw them out there.

    by reverse on 12/17/2010 11:38 AM
  68. other thoughts

    you could substitute rudy for babbit in the NY trade

    it was just announced that brandon will be out 3 games with soreness in his knee. his game has to become passing, posting up from the high post/elbow area, and spreading the floor with his outside shot.

    i really hope nic comes out to scrap every night. we need some batum-shaka-laka!

    can you imagine being a rockets fan right now?!? yao out with another stress fracture. OUCH!

    by reverse on 12/17/2010 11:50 AM
  69. BEdge is reporting that a trade of Andre for Gotat has been floated.

    Travis, this is an opportunity to test your theory of Brandon playing PG. If it works, that's awesome. This would also allow us to move Camby back to his natural position as that mythical veteran backup PF. The rotation would then be:


    Looks pretty solid to me. Now if only there was a way to get Jamal Crawford in that backup 2 guard spot...

    by 500Dogs on 12/17/2010 1:32 PM
  70. Um, I just got an inappropriate content message for my last post... I would be more concerned with the gay-bashing going on around here than anything I've typed.


    by 500Dogs on 12/17/2010 1:34 PM
  71. travisd...Really......I think you are well respected here for your knowledge,optimism, and ability to think out of the box,BUT,I think your optimism about BRoy is clouding your judgement a bit.IMO,I think BRoy is not nearly durable enough to run a team full time.I don't think he can beat anyone off the dribble ,and he can't seem to drive to the rack anymore.All of these qualities are extremely neccesary for a productive point guard.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/17/2010 2:01 PM
  72. IF we trade Dre ,this will mean three things.1) All the talk about BRoy demanding a trade WAS true. 2)BRoy will have sunk to a new low in my book.3)This team will be destined for SUCKYNESS.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/17/2010 2:08 PM
  73. news on your New point guard candidate is out for the next three games with knee issues.so much for durability.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/17/2010 2:13 PM
  74. vizzle, i agree. roy as we knew him is over. it's time to face it and move forward.

    by sudelander on 12/17/2010 3:31 PM
  75. Hg touched on something when he mentioned the nice pick/roll with Pryz that resulted in an easy bucket. The idea is to take what the defense gives you. No defense can stop an NBA offense based on movement without the ball and crisp passing to an open man.

    Way too often we try to force a certain play and, when that play breaks down, we have no other option and the shot clock is near zero. We need to get into our offense sooner (stop walking the ball up the court) and have multiple options on every play.

    Also, when a guy gets his shot, take it!

    I loved the way the Rudy, Dante, Nic, and Patty came out firing in their first stint against Dallas. They didn't make a shot right off but they were dictating the game to the Mavs with their hustle. Those shots will start to fall if only they keep up that intensity.

    by dgpdx on 12/17/2010 3:32 PM
  76. i've been reading all these scenarios, and even one posted on twitter that we were sending Nicolas and Joel to philadephia for Iguodala.

    the problem with nearly everything i read is that it provides for Brandon playing the point. in Brandon's condition, he cannot play pg. he can't keep up on the defensive end with younger, quicker pg's and he can't push the ball when we choose to run. i stress to Cho and PA that any deal involving Brandon taking over at pg is ridiculous and will result in making the team less effective than it has been now.

    in fact, i'll go further (which i've done on this point before): Brandon should not even be our backup pg. he lacks the quickness and reliability at the position and he slows down our second unit (a.k.a. our running unit).

    i'm not down on him as a whole, and i think some things are being blown out of proportion as far as rumors and alleged statements he has made. as many of you know, i try to base my comments on fact, rather than speculation and conjecture. right now, there's just too much of those.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 12/17/2010 4:18 PM
  77. d-vin,

    the durability thing will be an issue. finding a way to get something out of b-roy is a must. at $13mil with the cap issues and everything else that comes along with that, they have to find a way to get a major contribution. andre drives the hoop in transition, but not usually in the half court. b-roy won't be able to run the break, but will have his outside shot as a weapon. they both share the ability to knock down a mid-range jumper & post-up from the elbow. we'll see if something like this actually happens...

    by reverse on 12/17/2010 11:38 PM
  78. vin,

    you could be right though, my rose colored glasses might be working too hard on that one...

    speaking of rosey outlooks, how about that lamarcus aldridge!

    by reverse on 12/17/2010 11:42 PM
  79. travisd..yeah Aldridge has had two LaMonster games.I'm psyched about his play.
    I DO hope we can glean something from BRoy.I just don't know how much that will be.

    by DowntownVinnie on 12/18/2010 12:32 AM
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