Oct 21

Progress in Finale

By mikebarrett
In a preseason that has been mostly underwhelming, the Trail Blazers took a big step foward in their final exhbition game on Thursday night at the Rose Garden.  They got off to a slow start, but were able to fight off the Denver Nuggets in the second half, and won the game 90-83.  The win doesn't totally erase the many question marks that are floating over the team, but this probably did repair some of the team's confidence issues going into the regular season that begins on Tuesday night at the Rose Garden.

As all of us have probably asked at times during the exhibition season, is it possible to simply turn it on right before the start of the regular season?  Nate McMillan clearly wanted it to come before the final preseason game, but afterwards sounded relieved when he said, "I think we flipped the switch." 

One guy who certainly looked like he was trying to flip the switch was Brandon Roy.  He's had the look of a player who has simply been trying to get through the exhibition season, and get through it healthy.  But, on Thursday night, led all scorers with 23 points, even though he didn't shoot the ball particularly well (6-20).  Roy did get to the foul line, and ended up 9 for 10, and that was probably the best sign- his aggressiveness appeared to return.

This was also a game where Brandon clearly wanted a challenge at the other end of the floor as well, and wanted a chance to defend Carmelo Anthony.  Rather than have Nicolas Batum on Anthony, Roy was matched up on his most of the night while Batum guarded Chauncey Billups.  Roy was strong against Melo, and held him to just 6 for 23 shooting.  The Nuggets, as a team, shot just 36%.

It was also nice to get the chance to see what will be the Blazers' starting lineup on opening night in this game.  We didn't think Marcus Camby in this game, as he's been nursing a bruised hip.  But, Camby decided before the game that he wanted to give it a go.  Obviously, this is a different team when Camby is out there and others are able to play their natural positions.  Camby played 34 minutes in the contest and had 17 rebounds, to go along with his eight points.  The Blazers have, understandably, not rebounded well with Camby out, and that's a huge factor for this team.

We also got a look at Portland's rotation- the rotation that we're likely to see on a nightly basis, at least at the start of the regular season.  It's basically going to be a nine-man rotation, with the meaningful minutes off the bench going to Wesley Matthews, Dante Cunningham, Rudy Fernandez, and Jerryd Bayless.  At least at the beginning, I don't think we'll see the Blazers go deeper than that.  If you had to pick a guy that could also be called upon to play regular-season minutes, I would guess it'll be Armon Johnson, who had a solid exhibition season and has really pushed Bayless.

Matthews, who said before the game he could have played if it were a regular-season game, sat out with a sore Achilles.  That sounds like an injury that could potentially be nagging, but he certainly doesn't seem to be too worried about it.  He said he's all systems go for Tuesday.

To listen to Nate McMillan's post-game comments, click here.

As we've talked about, this team will have a lot to prove early in the regular season, and won't have much time to wade into the shallow end of the schedule.  It's brutal, right off the bat.  We'll open against the Phoenix Suns on Tuesday- always a difficult matchup- and then will take on the Clippers in their home opener the next night, on Wednesday. 

Following the first back to back, we'll fly from Los Angeles to New York and get ready to take on the Knicks (in their home opener) on Saturday.  I don't remember a start like this in recent years.  After the game against the Knicks, the Blazers will take on Chicago and Milwaukee, in another back to back, before returning home.  This is a huge test in the season's first week. 

So, given what you've seen, what are your biggest concerns following the exhibition season?  Was this final preseason game enough to put at least a few of those concerns to rest?  And, what's a realistic goal for the first week of the regular season?

Next Story: And So it Begins...


  1. I say we win every game that you just mentioned. Milwaukee will be a challenge, since they are now a playoff contender, but we should fairly easily take out the Clippers, Chicago, and Suns. The Knicks, well, I expect LaMarcus to shine in that game.

    I'm still worried about Brandons shooting. He hasn't had a solid game, but at least he got back to his scoring ways. Good to see 17 boards from Camby. Shows that he knows the problem and went out and tried to fix it. Great game for him.

    by Herr on 10/21/2010 10:48 PM
  2. MB, a few questions for you sir. I have to ask, you said the team has many questions to answer? how so? can you explain what questions other than Oden and Joel?

    Also, I normally agree with you, but this time I do not. I am speaking about your comment about how the Blazers have a lot to prove in the early season. To who? and they have to prove what? I think they have done a good job doing that the past two seasons. I think it's now time for us as fans to get behind them and expect what will come. The proving period is past us.

    As always I value and respect your opinion. I know you are busy but I would be interested in your response to my query.


    by LTG on 10/21/2010 11:04 PM
  3. Mike:

    Thank you for your take on the game and your take on the Blazers.

    Although I am still angry over their switch flipping, I am still happy to win.

    You or Nate never mentioned Nic. Wheels said doing the game that his shoulder was injured and had ice packs on it. How serious was he injured? I sure hope it is not bad, he had a good game going.

    Camby sure makes a difference in how we play and I was glad to see him back and the starting unit playing together.

    Good to hear that Matthews will be good to go for the season opener as he will be very important to our team play

    Let the games begin.

    by Hg on 10/21/2010 11:44 PM
  4. MB,

    My major concern is injuries. After the last couple years how can it not be a major concern. We are already banged up and haven't even started the regular season. With the lack of depth at center a injury to Camby can really hurt us. It'll be great when Joel and Oden are back I can just imagine how dominant we'll be.

    I've felt all along we'd be fast out of the gate and I still feel that way. I think a major concern during preseason was injuries. Probably with a 82 game season the most important factor is just endurance. Why put it all on the line during games that don't mean anything when you have such a long season? I don't think some people understand what a grueling season the NBA has.

    Anyway, can't wait for Tuesday. Because of a recent injury I won't be able to make it to the game, but I'll be watching it on tv!


    by mgb on 10/22/2010 2:05 AM
  5. Biggest concern at this point for me is still the health of the centers.
    Not just this season, but into the future when Camby and Pryz retire.

    by Kim~ on 10/22/2010 7:50 AM
  6. LTG,

    Thanks for the response. Joel and Oden are two question marks, but hopefully Joel will be active in a few weeks. Others that come to mind- what do we make of the Rudy situation? He played very well in the preseason. So, is he happy enough to want to stay in this country now? Who gets the bulk of the minutes at the backup point-guard spot? Bayless? Or, will we see Matthews moved into that spot? What about in late-game situations? Matthews at the point and Andre out of the game? Will Rudy see minutes at the point? Will the team run anything for Batum? Is he simply going to be used as a corner three-point shooter? Andre is going into the last year of his contract, and Joel has an expiring deal as well. Will those contracts be moved at any point of the season? Can you afford to move them? Then, there are about 2,000 questions I have about the labor situation, but I'll spare you those.


    by mikebarrett on 10/22/2010 8:14 AM
  7. Vinnie:

    Your link on getting Varejao raises lots of questions.

    It primarily said that the Cavs just want to drop the big contract and get expiring contract, Joel, Pendy, and Dre came to mind, but Dre is to valuable to Portland, we might waiver Pendy anyway, plus the article stated that the Cavs might take Joel and immediatly release him and Portland could get him back.

    The question is would he be OK with much less minutes when Greg and or Joel comes back. Also, if we packaged Rudy to go with Joel to make the finances even and since they are rebuilding they might waiver Rudy and let him go back to his homeland.

    On the good side of things with our crop of bigs falling off like maggetts falling off a gut wagon, Varejao word be a welcome addition, although I am afraid he might cut into Dante's time. Then again Camby gets lots of little injuries throughout the year so he could be getting more playing time then he wanted, plus he is used to coming off the bench and may not demand all those minutes.

    With Armon and Matthews on board in a short time Armon will be taking many minutes away from JBay, Matthews could be taking minutes away from Rudy. And if the agreement was to release Joel on delivery and we got him back that would be lots of trades bait that would benefit both sides.

    You gave us the link now give us your input on the good, the bad and the evil.

    by Hg on 10/22/2010 8:33 AM
  8. Mike:

    I just posted an article to Vinnie about the rumor of getting Varejao in a trade for expiring contract of Joel and maybe Rudy, and the Cavs might waiver Joel to get rid of his contract. With my thinking, The Cav’s might also release Rudy to go back to his home land since the Cavs are trying to get rid of contract to rebuild; if that was to happen, it would get rid of many of your 100 questions.

    You left Armon out of your equation, he is still new, but it sounds like he is expanding fast. Will he also eat up some of JBay's minutes as well as some of Dre's?

    You know my feelings on Matthews, BRoy, and Nic at the end of games, Even if the Wild One didn't think it would work, I still believe it would. The question on BE was could Matthews handle the ball well enough to be a point guard.

    Anyway, I like your answer to LTG those are lots of the questions that many of us are feeling.

    For now with our starting unit back and Matthew’s back and Nic's injury was superficial, we have more then enough power to take phoenix Tuesday.

    I am over most of my anger toward BRoy so I am still on his band wagon


    by Hg on 10/22/2010 8:55 AM
  9. Verajo? Only if he gets a haircut.

    by Herr on 10/22/2010 9:18 AM
  10. I had a dream last night where I told a million Laker fans that the Blazers would beat LA in a 7 game series. I had a dream where the Portland Trail Blazers beat the LA Lakers in game 7. Somehow, that was in the Finals. But it was a nice dream, thinking I knew the feeling of being a fan of the team that won the Championship, being infront of a TV jumping up and down yelling "Yes!". This coming after hearing that a job I desperately need is starting 6 months after it was suppose to start next week. But the dream was nice, until I woke up and faced reality getting a text message that my beloved grandmother passed. Got to love reality eh?

    But, enough with how crappy my year has been, let's move onto how my dream could be a reality.

    After reading your response Mike, about your questions, here are my answers.

    First, keep Fernandez until at least the trade deadline and see where we can go with him.

    Second, if we did obtain Verajo, I'd gladly give up Pendy and Bayless. I think Joel is too valuable to this team to throw him away, even for a second powerfoward/center type player. Pendy is out for the season, and as much as I love Bayless, you can't count on him to be the guy he wants to be. Maybe a less serious team would want him, but you can tell by the way he plays that he wants to be the big shot.

    Third, I got a question. Is Dante playing backup powerforward? So I assume the lineup for the bench will be Bayless at PG, Rudy at SG (or these two can switch), Mathews at SF, and Dante at PF. Who is going to be our backup center? Didn't we waive Steven Hill? Or is Dante going to try Powerforward?

    Forth, I don't see the team running much for Batum. We have great scoring opportunities on this team. In my opinion, the list goes (assuming every player is back of course) Roy, LaMarcus, Miller, Oden, Batum. Batum is a great shooter in the 3, and runs the court very well. He'll get his points by his strong defensive effort and overall effort on the court. I'd like to see plays ran for him, but someone else would have to give up their scoring opportunities for Batum to get his.

    Fifth, I think we might be forced to re-sign Andre Miller or attempt to get CP3. At this point, losing Miller would only make us less of a contender.

    Sixth, obviously resign Joel until Oden has played more than 60 games two-three seasons in a row.

    Let's make my dream a reality.

    by Herr on 10/22/2010 9:43 AM
  11. Bring on the regular season!!

    by RedRudy5 on 10/22/2010 9:46 AM
  12. Herr:

    The bad times in your life will pass just like the good times.

    I think if we traded Joel Verejoe, I think it would be with a guarantee that they would release Joel and we could get him back.

    On the second unit, Nate has narrowed his rotation down to 8 or nine players. With Dante coming in for LMA, when LMA comes back in he will slide over to the 5. It was shown against GS that Batum could also get the assignment as PF in case LMA gets hurt or in foul trouble.

    Now when Greg and or Joel gets back the rotation will change gradually. I think Greg and Joel will play center and Marcus an LaMarcus will play the 4. But the way things are going who knows?

    by Hg on 10/22/2010 10:48 AM
  13. I can't stand Varajao. He's the only Brazillian athlete I feel that way about. Generally, they're the grittiest competitors in the world, and Varajao is no exception. The thing is, he's got the most punchable face in sports. Somehow, when I see him on the court, I imagine myself executing a Superman punch, with his 'fro wrapped around my fist. It's terrible, I know, but I couldn't stand seeing him in the black and scarlet. Besides, who needs him?

    We've got a center tandem of Camby and Przybilla (with a possible Oden). The only teams out west with that kind of size and length at the 5 are SAC, HOU, LAL, and DEN. Of those four, only one is in our division (DEN), another has our injury problems at the 5 without our depth (HOU), one is still in its baby steps (SAC), and the last has our injury problems at the 5, but also has our depth (LAL). So we're going to have an advantage in the front-court against everybody except LAL and DEN. That's not a bad place to be. Add Oden, and it's not even a contest.

    by 500Dogs on 10/22/2010 11:13 AM
  14. Herr,
    Yeah, DC is the backup PF currently, but that could change with a healthy Oden. So a healthy Blazers depth chart could look something like this...

    1) Miller, Bayless, Johnson
    2) Roy, Mathews, Rudy, Williams
    3) Batum, Cunningham, Babbitt
    4) Aldridge, Camby, Pendergrapgh
    5) Oden, Przybilla

    Then again, maybe they want to minimize the wear and tear on the centers, using a three man rotation...

    1) Miller, Bayless, Johnson
    2) Roy, Rudy, Williams
    3) Batum, Mathews, Babbitt
    4) Aldridge, Cunningham, Pendergraph
    5) Oden, Przybilla, Camby

    Either way looks good to me, but I'd lean towards the second option for health reasons. I'm sure we'll see a little of both, depending on how big Nate wants to go with his second unit.

    by 500Dogs on 10/22/2010 11:22 AM
  15. Well....it would certainly be easier to evaluate how we really played if I had SEEN it or even LISTENED to it, but I only followed the misbehaving play-by-plays on Blazers.com and Oregonlive. So, my perspective is tempered by that.

    First, yes, Brandon and Dre finally showed up. Brandon got to the line, his shot started to fall here and there, and he played more than he really has so far. Andre had a great first half, and his single turnover matched by his 7 assists was very, very nice to see. So, they showed us all that when properly motivated, they can indeed play with one another sufficiently enough to win a game against a depleted team who is obviously having an off-night, especially in regard to shooting the ball (Melo and Billups would be of special note). My faith in Brandon has never wavered, and my admiration of Miller is a constant. This one game has not dispelled my concern about the two of them though. I believe their relationship may be a source of weakness for this team. However, I can't see a solution for it, so......Miller-Roy it is!

    Yes, having an actual Center in the game, especially one known for his defensive prowess, is clearly a game-changer. I LOVE the Cambyman, and last night exemplifies precisely why. Also, I did note that the Blazers played much better on the Offensive boards, and that was not all Camby, so THAT was great to see, especially LMA's.

    I honestly think Armon is going to see more time than most of us are expecting. Bayless needs to come out and prove he's ready, and so far? It's not happening. Armon is a "Nate" guy and I think if JBay continues to flounder, we are going to see the rookie a lot.

    I think the start of the season is pretty rough as well. Not a lot of easy games in there, imo. If they were at the RG, I think the games against the Clippers and Knicks would be almost guaranteed, but considering these are home openers for the opponent, I am less inclined to just wright them off. And Chicago and Milwaukee should always be a concern, even without Boozer. Both of these teams have A LOT to prove, and will be looking to do so. On top of that, we are opening with two back-to-backs in the first week, with only one ofthose games at home. Looks like a pretty tall order to me, especially if the "Switch" isn't yet completely "flipped".

    My number one concern for this team is going to be HEALTH for a few years I think. After that, it's Roys leadership and game. I need Roy to shoot the ball well in order to feel comfortable about where our team is. Next in line would be defense. I've heard a lot about it, but is sounds like it is still fairly inconsistent. Defense wins games, and honestly, I expected more evidence of it by this point, regardless of the lack of importance of these games.

    If I sound particularly cranky or cynical, please forgive me. I am ill after my terrible trip to Ottawa.

    I would like to mention to everyone that since we all have to be members on iamatrailblazersfan.com in order to post here, we can easily communicate with one another OFF the blog space. Just click on the nicely emphasized name (in RED) of the person you have something "personal" to say to, and viola! you will be delivered to their profile page, where you can send them a discreet message :)

    by EowynAmarie on 10/22/2010 1:05 PM
  16. the previous rumblings that had sideshow bob available to the blazers were based on the idea of trading greg oden to get him. that idea is unacceptable in my book. trading joel is similarly unappealing, unless he'll be waived and can return after 30 days rest. in the event that that is the case, i'll give a few thoughts on how it could work, given that my general view of sideshow bob is somewhere in the neighborhood of 500's comments. i'm not as extreme in my dislike, but sideshow bob's chaos theory basketball is not to my liking stylistically.

    varejao is 28 years old, a legit 6'11" and 260lbs. he may be the biggest/largest "energy" player in the nba. the best part of the idea of trading for him is that he's likely to have at least 4 years of solid play left in him that would bridge the gap between camby retiring, joel getting into his mid thirties, lamarcus in his prime, and greg coming into his own. marcus is 36, joel 31, lamarcus 25 and greg 22. varejao is in the middle of them all at age 28. additionally, you could play him with any of the above, and also dante cunningham. in short, a big 4/5 combo guy that plays a game predicated mostly on hustle is a good compliment to just about anyone.

    when the blazers beat the heat in the finals, it could be nice to have one of lebrawn's old teammates in portland's line-up to help harass bosh and lifetime cavalier zydrunas ilgauskas. the more big bodies the blazers can put on the roster, the better. against LAL it's bynum, gasol, odom. dallas has chandler, haywood, nowitzki. boston boasts perkins, o'neal, o'neal, & garnett. orlando brings howard, gortat, bass & lewis. in the playoffs, having waves of bigs = having the power advantage in a series. even if anderson plays the equivalent basketball style of a big goofy slobbering dog, he's still a big dog. he also fits the bill for the back-up 4/5 energy guy that i've been advocating bringing in for about 2-3 years now. i could learn to love it.

    we'll see what gm cho, PA, buchannan, born and the rest of the big brains think. if i were PA, i'd go after just that type of big. just as wesley is a hefty insurance policy in the blazer backcourt, varejao could do the same for the frontcourt. surely they have a more sophisticated view of how the things varejao does would fit with this blazer squad.

    by reverse on 10/22/2010 3:34 PM
  17. Nets wave Brian Zoubek,Poor man's Varejaeo?and cheaper.Duke coaching, so you know he's smart? just a thought.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/22/2010 3:43 PM
  18. p.s. now is the time for the blazers to throw in a first round pick on a trade like this. portland's pick in the mid twenties is less relevant to the blazers than a rebuilding cleveland cavs. joel as a boomerang, jerryd and a 1st rounder?

    by reverse on 10/22/2010 3:57 PM
  19. Man, I've had kind of a crummy day (as stated), but I laughed my butt off after seeing you call Anderson Verajo "Sideshow Bob" travisd. Thank you, that literally made my day lol.

    And great post might I add. Like many, when I first heard the rumor, I was like "ehh... I donno", but you gave great reasons to trade for him. But I especially agree that trading Oden or Joel would hurt, unless we instantly get them back. Oden will be a star in this league and I guarantee it. He knows how well he played, the Blazers know, so we should know. He played great before going down, give him that credit, and he played a 61 game season last season. That's pretty damn impressive, and netted us 54 wins. Just guess what happens when we improved our roster and have everyone healthy. Do I have to remind people we got 50 wins last season with the injuries we had? More than anyone except GSW (who aren't a contender even when healthy). We've got an elite team here, I assure you.

    And I'm second guessing the Heat. LeBron has played his butt off, and Bosh hasn't been all that bad either. I don't see them getting to the finals yet, or beating a team like Orlando or Boston. Maybe the Lakers, simply because if you take away Kobe and Gasol you have great chances at beating the Lakers.

    But after the big 3, who is the next best player on the team?

    I'd say the Blazers are ore of an elite team when Healthy than the Heat, Mavs, Nuggets, and especially OKC. Let's just make sure Utah isn't 8th seed when we're 1st seed.

    by Herr on 10/22/2010 3:58 PM
  20. varejao is tough to gauge. if things go well, everyone could look back on such a trade, and say, "wow, that was the thing that put them over the hump, he bottled up lamar odom and then out hustled udonis haslem." if it somehow goes wrong, "how did we give up joel for that clown." mostly the first one comes to mind though, i think it would work. now that krusty the clown (sans wig) is done coaching in golden state, what the heck...

    by reverse on 10/22/2010 4:10 PM
  21. Marc Stein
    Just filed to http://ESPN.com: Sources say Blazers have reached terms on one-year deal with vet big man Fabricio Oberto. Link on the way

    by mgb on 10/22/2010 4:38 PM
  22. http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/28453279248

    by mgb on 10/22/2010 4:40 PM
  23. Thank you for the response MB. I understand the present questions. Thank you for clarifying. I wont comment on the Rudy situation, as I usually don't give credence to media stories. I will say this: Rudy will define his situation by his play on the court. As for the rest of the questions, You are correct, there is no easy answer. For myself, I will say that the season will answer these questions.

    Thanks again,

    by LTG on 10/22/2010 4:54 PM
  24. I'll try to calm my rage for this post, and just examine the statistical comparison of AndV vrs. JoelP. Since Joel missed such a substantial part of last season, I'll compare their '08-9 numbers, but it should be noted that Anderson crept up slightly, due to fewer shots (75 less than '08-9).

    Joel commands the lead in this category at 62% to Varajao's 53%; AV attempted 235 more shots.

    Once again, Joel is superior in this category, shooting 66% from the charity stripe to Anderson's 61%. Joel's numbers were down slightly from the year prior, but a full 9% up from '07-8. Varajao has been trending upward in this stat, and met Joel at 66% last season.

    Joel's blocking average is on top of Varajao's 1.2 to 0.8. The Erasure wins again.

    Dead even. Both averaged one turnover per game in '08-9.

    About the same. JP: 2.6, AV: 3.0

    Joel: 8.8 (2.5 OFF), Anderson: 7.1 (2.1 OFF).

    Joel: 5.5, Anderson, 8.6.

    So after all that, they're remarkably similar players (statistically), but Joel is more efficient. Anderson takes twice as many shots to make a paltry 3.1 more PPG. We don't need him. We're better off sticking it out Przy, who is loyal to the team, and doesn't have the 2nd most ridiculous haircut in the NBA (you'll always be #1, Birdman).

    by 500Dogs on 10/22/2010 4:56 PM
  25. Um, this just in: Blazers sign Oberto. Ignore Varajao analysis...


    by 500Dogs on 10/22/2010 4:59 PM
  26. RUH ROH......... word on the street is Blazers sign Oboy OBerto and waive or trade PenderBender by 3pm Monday.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/22/2010 6:23 PM
  27. 500Dogs,

    I don't think any possible trade for a backup center involved Joel since we were trying to add to our depth not just replace one backup center with another. I don't know where that came from, but I know better than to think the Blazers would think of doing that.

    by mgb on 10/22/2010 8:03 PM
  28. Glad I never commented on Andy, whom, despite all his irritating behaviors, I actually like as a player. Interesting that Cho decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on a big after all. I have to wonder what that might mean in regard to our other bigs. Feel bad for Pendy though, he's such a great guy (assuming he is being waived, right?). Not impressed with Oberto, and would have preferred to see someone of more merit if we are going to lose Pendy, who had so much raw energy and spunk.

    Watching the Laker/GSW game. Monta had a superb game, as expected with Stephen out, but I was kinda suprised at how well the Laker rookies played. The new and improved bench actually managed to gain the lead for a bit, pretty impressive, since the Warriors seemed to have the game in hand. I don't know how they manage to improve themselves when it seems they should be totally topped out....it really makes one jealous, as they seem so BLESSED! I mean, they've been behind most of the game and in the final minute, they tie it up. Anyway, it is difficult to say, but I do believe the Lakers have only made themselves more unbeatable this off-season :( Even when losing, they still look pretty decent most of the time. Kinda disgusting :)

    by EowynAmarie on 10/22/2010 8:40 PM
  29. if they trade oberto, pendergraph, mills, bayless and a pick, will that get varejao?!? HA!

    really though, the only way a varejao trade involving joel made or makes any sense is if joel is waived/released and comes back.

    oberto is a way different story than sideshow bob. the only similarities are that he's big and south american as well. fabricio will probably play 10min a game, and be expected to defend, grab a board or two, and make an open shot here and there. if he winds up on the court for long minutes i'd be shocked. DC is certain to get more playing time.

    what is of more interest at this point will be who gets traded or released. of the 17 players now on the roster, 2 have to go by monday. i very much want to see patty and jeff continue in the nba. if rudy comes into the mix, that would not be totally unexpected, but with as well as he's played in pre-season, it would be a shock to see him moved. bayless seems to me to be the odd man out with the way things are progressing, but that is strictly my opinion.

    the weekend, then monday we'll see the roster, then tuesday...

    the starting 5 logging heavy minutes & playing pretty well last night make most of these other conversations largely irrelevant. it's been over 6 months since a meaningful game. i can't wait!!!

    by reverse on 10/22/2010 9:21 PM
  30. This blurb from BEdge will not sit well with Sarge if it continues.

    "Fabricio Oberto was the league's most turnover-prone player, turning the ball over on an incredible 36.2 percent of his possessions..."

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/23/2010 8:49 AM
  31. Vinnie:

    Oberto played OK for SAS, plus if all goes well he takes Juwan Howards place as an insurance policy that is cheap on a one year contract. If all our bigs are healty we will get zero minutes

    by Hg on 10/23/2010 9:11 AM
  32. BTW, on a side note.Fabricio has a vineyard as well.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/23/2010 9:14 AM
  33. What do you think of the Oberto signing, Mike? Can you remember any standout games that make you love or hate this guy?

    by 500Dogs on 10/23/2010 10:21 AM
  34. i'm a little late when it comes to the game (studying and writing mid-terms, like the good student i am!).

    i wouldn't call pre-season irrelevant, but it is largely insignificant when it comes to the primary players in the rotation, including the starting lineup. however ... Brandon coming alive when he did was a wonderful sign of things to come and evidence that he's ready to go. LaMarcus was solid and, from what i heard, did a very nice job at playing inside and out. Marcus had the type of game for which we're looking. seventeen rebounds and those blocked shots were great. i loved the headaches that LaMarcus and Marcus created for Anthony when he tried to drive inside. also, Nicolas was a human highlight reel. great outing for the guys. it's a great way to go out of the pre-season move into the season.

    so, we're getting Frabricio Oberto. i've got mixed feelings with a shot of sadness on this one. it'll be nice to have that insurance policy, and a cheap one at that. he has experience and can help our injury depleted front line. however, he seems inefficient on the offensive end and turnover-prone. just not sure how this really helps us in the long run.

    the sadness comes at the news that Jeff will likely be leaving the team. he's a great guy and exactly the type of player we want on the team. sure, Jeff's got some things on his game to work, but he is dedicated to getting better and he possesses a great work ethic. i guess i just hope that Jeff has not seen his last days in a blazers uniform.


    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/23/2010 11:59 AM
  35. MB,

    WIll Pendergraph still be on Courtside if he's released? I assume not? That'd be a bummer.

    by mgb on 10/23/2010 12:48 PM
  36. "...just not how (the Oberto signing) helps us in the long run."

    It's not for the long run. He's got a one year contract, and as soon as Przybilla returns, Oberto will become a 5mpg player, then when Oden recovers, a 0mpg player who'll warm the pine and spice up a trade.

    To me, this signing is like RiCho buying a pair of crutches for his injured bigs. He's going to disappear as soon as they're healthy, or fill the role of end-the-bench big, in the mold of the Raefist, Shavlicker, and the Ruffining.

    by 500Dogs on 10/23/2010 1:26 PM
  37. The Nuggets just wailed on the Suns last night, beat 'em by 40. Must've been a hard fought game by the Blazers to beat Denver.

    by Tobyus Sanchezo on 10/23/2010 2:40 PM
  38. 500Dogs: i'm quite aware that his contract will be for one year. the 'long run' means the duration of the season rather than for years to come. as you say, once Joel returns, Fabricio will become a 0 mpg player. i am in agreement. once Greg returns. Fabricio will be on the disabled list. again, i don't see how this signing helps us in the long run.

    mgb: if Jeff isn't traded, he'll probably try and get on in another league such as europe or maybe even the d-league.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/23/2010 4:26 PM
  39. Kass,

    I'm not sure what you mean? He's out for the year because of injury so he isn't playing any where for a year.

    As to the long run, this was meant only for short term fix.

    by mgb on 10/23/2010 4:32 PM
  40. this just in: according to 'sources,' portland will send Jerryd Bayless to the hornets for their 2011 first-round draft pick (conditional).


    so ... this likely opens up a roster spot for Patrick, unless the waive/trade rumor doesn't come to pass and we decide to keep Jeff.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/23/2010 4:33 PM
  41. mgb: simply put, if Jeff is waived, he will likely not end up in portland, therefore he will be with another team after this season.

    obviously, Fabricio's signing is a short-term fix; a band-aid if you will. that being said, the reports are that his contract will be for a year. by the time Joel comes back (projected early november), then Greg (projected december) Fabricio doesn't really have a role with the blazers. barring further injury, that makes him a simple insurance policy at the end of the bench. he's basically replacing Jeff, who we had planned to have on the roster regardless of Joel and Greg's availability. there's no reason to believe that we would simply just cut him off the roster when both guys return, especially for the pennies he will be being paid.

    let me make this clear: i know he will not be with us for the season after this one. i think you guys are misinterpreting my definition of 'long-term' to mean beyond this season, and that's not the case.

    ~ Kassandra

    ps: just froze my butt off watching my cardinal beat wsu, but it was fun!

    by Kassandra on 10/23/2010 4:51 PM
  42. Looks like the draft pick is 1-7th protected and up to 8th in following years.

    by mgb on 10/23/2010 5:03 PM
  43. Hah! JBay is gone, something I believed was always going to be necessary. Interesting really, since we all expected Pendy to be waived. Now, it's either Patty OR Jeff that gets waived. Vinnie, guess the Armonizer is exactly what Nate and the organization was looking for.....or there's another move in the future for a bigger/better PG, so Miller's back-up doesn't really matter (which I think is not a move Cho would be making, not if he's not willing to risk a few early season games without a back-up center).

    My guess? The pick becomes trade fodder and we keep Pendy for the actual "long term", letting Patty go where his talents will actually be utilized :)

    by EowynAmarie on 10/23/2010 5:14 PM
  44. ruh ruh.....JBay to NewOrleans for first round pick.Didn't i mention something about the Armonizer stealin JBays minutes.Maybe we will sign Patty also.WOWWW.didn't expect that one.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/23/2010 5:14 PM
  45. Good trade. Bayless was suffering here. NOH is a perfect fit for him. The draft pick (top 7 in '11, or top 8 in 2012-4, or 2nd rounder after) is a solid one, and the flexibility in the roster is going to be valuable in negotiating Batum, Przy, and Oden's contracts.

    This was an addition by subtraction situation, and Cho pulled it off masterfully.

    by 500Dogs on 10/23/2010 5:54 PM
  46. Kobe showing much love to our boy Brandon. Gained a bit of respect from me.


    by Herr on 10/23/2010 6:09 PM
  47. i agree with those who are in favor of this trade.

    EowynAmarie mentioned that Andre's backup really doesn't matter. while this may give Armon a chance to get some minutes this season, a lot of us have already talked about the possibility of Brandon and Wesley playing some minutes at pg. i'd even throw Rudy in there too, if needed.

    i can see this also opening up some minutes at sf for Dante, following Joel and Greg's returns. Dante's time at pf will likely be reduced when that happens. now, we have the option to slide him down to sf.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/23/2010 8:16 PM
  48. amongst the signing and trade news, i find this article to be most important:


    this is news of real personal accountability that will have huge benefits here in rip city.

    by reverse on 10/23/2010 10:48 PM
  49. I am not surprised that Jerryd Bayless was traded at all. He was touted as a tweener, not a true point guard, nor a shooting guard, much the same as Sebastian Telfair before him. Although Jerryd never was caught packing a gun, he just as well shot himself in the head with his inefficient play at the offensive end of the floor. I loved his desire to compete, as I do Jeff Pendergraph, but ultimately the call to support his abilities lied with a new GM that had no ties to his months of service to the Trailblazers. A man with a fresh perspective decided that Bayless' skills were replaceable, and although the enthusiasm of Pendergraph , like Juwan Howard before him, was contagious, it was not enough to endear him to management, even though the fans adored their work ethic. What does it mean for the average Blazer fan? Only this: "Life is not stated to be fair. It is about opportunities, and those who take advantage of them". It isn't even about who has the most skill. Lest we forget the lesson of Jermaine O'Neil. Your star must catch the twinkle of the right person's eye, at the right time. You must be willing to be selfish, and put the myth of team play far behind in the rear view mirror. You must exalt yourself beyond the parameters of "team". You must remember, there is no "I" in team, but there is a big "I" in idolatry.

    by Phi Slamma on 10/23/2010 11:22 PM
  50. mb,

    about jeff pendergraph, this article at BE:


    leads me to believe that jp was guaranteed his second year, even if waived and not signed by another team. is that accurate?

    in 2009/10 he played in more than 10 games, played 3 of the 6 playoff games, and was not released before july 25th.

    injured or not, waived or not, he gets paid, right?


    by reverse on 10/23/2010 11:24 PM
  51. 500 Dogs: My wife accuses me of being forgetful. Sure I miss out on the anniversary, I forget the Valentine's Day card, her birthday? Who knows? The day we first had sex? Wow, I've got a cramp! I even forget to put the toilet seat down at times, but man, oh man, do I remember the accolades you tossed Jerryd Bayless' way when you stated he was the "answer" to our point guard needs. You now dismiss him as if he was a senior who had just pissed his pants without a diaper. C'mon man, even I can remember certain things! What's up?

    by Phi Slamma on 10/23/2010 11:38 PM
  52. Because of a recent injury I won't be able to go to the opening season game Tuesday. We always go to the opener because they give away free stuff and the players when intro come down through the crowd, over all it's just a really fun game to go to. I wanted to try, but Karla put her foot down and said sell the tickets! Anyway, I email Vinnie and told him how disappointed I was to miss the opener and to my surprise he made a song to try and cheer me up. I thought it was pretty cool!


    by mgb on 10/24/2010 5:56 AM
  53. I am not sure who is going to be waived, Pendy or Mills or both.

    But my thoughts are since Pendy is out for a year and we have Oberto only for a year---Is it possible to resign Pendy at the end of the year? He will still be on the payroll anyway so nothing would be lost.

    My second thoughts is when we lost Greg for the whole year the first time we could have taken an exemption for him and bring in another player until he was back to playing, couldn't we have the same option with Pendergraph.

    I think the trade of JBay will be good for both JBay and the Blazers. Us fan's has been speculating on Matthew and Armon importance to the team and wondering how we would get Armon into the rotation, At first I thought it would be Rudy that lost time, but with his new aggressive play, he can't be benched. With JBay’s recent play, it was speculated that he would lose PT to both Matthew and Armon. I am sure JBay will be missed at times, but with more minutes for Armon will help. We have redundancy in Williams, Armon, Matthew and somewhat Babbitt anyway.

    If Nate keeps his rotation down to 8 or 9 which players will see the time?

    I am sorry for your illness and missing the first game

    It is almost here. I can feel the excitement. Of course the first game would have to fall on my bowling night, but the good news is the bowling lanes has TV and gets KGW.

    by Hg on 10/24/2010 7:23 AM
  54. Hg,

    Not a illness, but a injury. I had to go to ER because I hurt my shoulder and went and return in a ambulance. When I got off the gurney when I got home I rip a big gash in my left leg. Blood was all over the place and I had to go right back to ER! They couldn't sew it up and ended up cutting off a big slab of meat and now I have this giant gash on my leg that is going to take a lot of time to heal. I have nurses come out to clean it once a week and Karla does it each day, but that is why I had to miss the game. I'm hoping it'll be healed enough by time the Blazers come back from their first road trip so I can go to the Thunder game.

    by mgb on 10/24/2010 7:48 AM
  55. MGB:

    That does sound bad, I hope you have a speedy recovery.

    Just take it easy and let it heal.

    by Hg on 10/24/2010 7:57 AM
  56. Thanx,Eowyn.I have always thought THe Armonizer has a little more of the"Junkyard dog" in him than JBAY.Plus how can you not like a guy who likes Patti LaBelle.

    Thanx ,MGB,.You know, you got me to my 1st Blazer game ever,so you will always be a pal.This was the least I could do.I'm glad you enjoyed it.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/24/2010 8:17 AM
  57. Hey hg..another point guard controversy put to rest.

    What's funny about that song is that I actually mention JBay's name in it.
    Psychic Vinnie? Hardly. Just Dumb luck:)

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/24/2010 9:08 AM
  58. I think that with Bayless dominating the ball and yet his offensive ineffieciency makes his removal an addition to the team.
    mgb: That sounds like one horrible day. I hope you heal well and quickly. Shoulder and leg sounds like a bad combination

    by Ancientone on 10/24/2010 9:16 AM
  59. Busted. You got me Phi, I'm guilty. I have at times convinced myself that Jerry was the PGOTF. There are various reasons, but when I read the news, I thought, "Okay, this is actually a good thing". Part of that is probably that it's out of my control.

    No amount of belly-aching would bring Bayless back, so it's easier to just roll with the punch. Really though, the first thing I felt when I heard the news was relief. Relief that the "Is JB a PG?" argument would finally be over; relief that he would no longer be a square peg; relief that he's getting the opportunities that he couldn't earn here. The Bayless experiment is over, we got some great play out of him, helped him to grow his game, and traded him for a pick higher than he was. Proof that Cho's reputation as an equal-benefit trade partner was not a myth.

    Another huge part of this for me, is Armon Johnson. The sting of losing Jerry is instantly relieved by this young prospect. If not for him, I'd be freaking out about not having a PG besides Miller. Instead, I'm fired up to see how the kid handles the opportunities that come his way. I love his work ethic, attitude, and skill set. I might be overvaluing this rookie in the same way I did JB when we drafted him, but I can't help it. I get excited about the young players and what kind of future they've got in the NBA. So there's a certain amount of new car smell helping the transition.

    Really though, I'm prone to changing my mind suddenly to fit my circumstances. I consider it healthy. Being stuck in your ways is a recipe for frustration and stagnation. Besides, even in my most enthusiastic support of Bayless, I've never considered him a part of the core, or untouchable. I kind of wish that he'd been used to bring in some top tier talent, but the pick may be used for that. In fact, it could be argued that a top 7 pick is more valuable an asset than a young guard with an undefined skill set.

    Any way you slice it, you're right Phi, I had a change of heart. Call me a treasonous rat if you wish, but that's just the way I am. Jerryd may be the PG of the someone's future, but it ain't ours anymore. I think we're better for it. Now eclecticspider can go back to wishing for Jason Kidd, and I can resume plotting my Steve Nash to Portland campaign!

    by 500Dogs on 10/24/2010 9:41 AM
  60. Very well put 500dogs, If I was that deep in my writing, I would write the same way. Especially the mind set thing, or not changing with circumstances.

    I was never a big fan of JBay's but I supported him because he was a Blazer and I am a terrible Homer. Other then that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    by Hg on 10/24/2010 10:43 AM
  61. 500dogs: nice reply, and I appreciate that there is someone else on the blog who understands the whole change of heart thing, something I am prone to myself :)

    Looks like, according to Quick anyway, Cho intends to waive Pendy by Monday's deadline after all. Oh well, maybe, as hg has suggested, we will pick him back up for next season, maybe not. At the end of the day, he wasn't integral, just enjoyable, so.....

    I really have to wonder about Patty though. If Bayless wasn't a fit, it seems Patty is even less so. Is it possible we let them both go and start the season with only 14 spots filled? Might be a smart move. At this point, there's really no need to sign another guard right? I guess we'll all know Monday afternoon!!

    MGB: so sorry to hear about your injuries, what bad luck. Hope you have a speedy recovering :)

    by EowynAmarie on 10/24/2010 12:04 PM
  62. Well Dogs I'd have to say that there aren't a lot of people left here that I can have a little fun with. I wouldn't consider anyone a rat for changing their mind, ( I do live with a woman after all). You needn't worry about no longer having to debate the merits of JB running the team. We will quickly find new arguments to replace it with. I too am excited about Johnson's game and consider him to be an upgrade at the backup point. Steve Nash? I personally don't want to see that gangly little grease monkey in a blazer uni. I'd say that Jason Kidd is only good for blowing kisses from the free-throw line to his wife, but suspect he has slapped her around one too many times for that to work anymore.

    by Phi Slamma on 10/24/2010 2:13 PM
  63. mgb: sorry to hear about your injuries. also sorry to hear about you missing opening night.

    EowynAmarie: according to Patrick's twitter, he has his "fingers crossed." it's hard to tell what's going to happen with the roster now, but i think we either sign Patrick, sign another big, or use the roster sport to fill via trade. with our injury history, i doubt we'll go into the season with just 14 players. i have a feeling Cho isn't done discussing options with other teams.

    all: i generally liked Jerryd's play and loved his effort in the playoffs last year. at the same time, as we've discussed previously, he has some things to work on (as like every player does). the bottom line is that i just don't think he was every really going to be thype of guy who fits into Nate's system. we're better off with clearing his roster spot, and i think Jerryd is better off with this new opportunity with the hornets, where he'll likely get more minutes.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/24/2010 2:42 PM
  64. Thanks, Kass and EA!

    I agree that Cho sounds like he hasn't decided what to do with the 15th spot. He said he had a couple different options or something to that effect. Should be interesting to see.

    Can't wait for Tuesday! 51 hrs away!

    GO BLAZERS!!!!!

    by mgb on 10/24/2010 3:19 PM
  65. Hey Phi, don't read nuthin' extra into it: I'm glad you challenged my flip-flop. As a narcissist, I love any opportunity to explain myself! But yeah, I'm happy to leave the debate behind. I was getting sick of the same old post-all-star stats anyhow. Let the mang stand on his own feet (or swim: it is NOH).

    But you watch it with the Nash hate! He's a king among men! I will, however, concede that a bottle of decent shampoo wouldn't kill him...unless somehow he greases the ball to his advantage (please refrain from jokes on that one. This is a family blog, after all).

    by 500Dogs on 10/24/2010 7:58 PM
  66. On a conspiracy theory note: does MB's silence, coupled with this Dave quote...

    "...this is not the last familiar player you're going to see moved for reasons of fit or finances. Stay tuned."

    ...lead anybody else to believe we're in for another trade? I know Jason Quick dropped a turd like this not long ago, but this is Dave we're talking about here. I don't know what's going to happen, but if he trades Batum, I'm declaring a Cho Hunt. So far, I like what our new GM has done, but touch Nico and...well, I don't know if y'all have seen Battle Royal...

    by 500Dogs on 10/24/2010 8:21 PM
  67. if the point rotation includes andre roy wesley rudy & armon things become interesting.
    once andre goes out, it becomes very difficult to double brandon. you have 3 shooters on the court with him, wesley, rudy and lamarcus. if dante comes in for marcus, that makes 4. the pick and roll with aldridge does not have to be the only option. with matthews and fernandez whipping around screens and crossing, brandon is at the top of the 3pt line with the ball in his hands and one defender at his mercy. i love it.
    also, this could crack the door for patty to see the court. in most of these scenarios, you could plug mills in the slots that rudy fits in. he a bit smaller, but like rudy his game is built on speed. his outside shooting also keeps guys from crowding brandon and andre.
    the offense will open up like so many have been hoping it would for a good while now.

    by reverse on 10/24/2010 10:01 PM
  68. I'm curious about this whole Chris Paul ordeal still.

    So, Paul most likely isn't staying with the Hornets once he becomes a free agent. I wonder if the Blazers have a great season, maybe make a WCF appearance, it will enlighten Paul to join a complete team (like the Blazers) instead of going to the rumored Knicks with Melo.

    Think about this lineup...

    pg - Chris Paul
    sg - Brandon Roy
    SF - Nicolas Batum
    PF - LaMarcus Aldridge
    C - Greg Oden

    That team healthy, in my opinion, could compete with ANY big 3, especially with how weak both the Knicks and the Heat are at at least two positions that aren't filled with superstars.

    Of course, the hard part is who we'd have to give up to get CP3. After all, no team is going to let a superstar go after what LeBron did to Cleveland.

    by Herr on 10/24/2010 11:59 PM
  69. TravisD:

    It has been said that Armon is a great pick and roll player, along with your thoughts on the 3pt shooting, I was thinking of Armon and Joel in the second unit. Joel sets great picks and Armon is great at executing a pick, it might bring back the days Van Exal and Joel. That was a pretty good tantrum. Joel was scoring quite well at that time, plus it would stop the defenders from leaving Joel. If BRoy was in the game that would also help give him space if he can hit Joel rolling to the basket. I don't think the pick and pop with LMA will not be that effective this year unless LMA with his new mindset learns to drive or pass better when the double team comes.


    Your line-up would be great, but I don't think you would have all of the other four if we were to get CP3, plus if we get to the WCF with the current roster there would be very little need to give up half the roster to acquire CP3.

    CP3 said he wouldn't want to come to Portland if LMA and or BRoy were traded to get him because they are the players that he wants to play with. You know Monty will want Batum plus one of BRoy or LMA and what ever else.

    When Greg comes back a line-up of our starting 5 would be hard to beat and better then the big Three in my book.

    You can insert Armon, Matthews, Rudy, Dante, Camby and later Babbitt and Williams without losing a step.

    I love CP3 and BRoy together but not at the price we would have to pay. Plus a pure point guard in Nate's system is not that important.

    by Hg on 10/25/2010 7:41 AM
  70. 500dogs: Why Batum in your conspiracy theory? If we are talking about fit or finances here, wouldn't Dre be just as much, if not more, vulnerable? Dre gets what, like 6-7 million right? And Nico is only like 2 I think. I don't know, but I think Dre could just as easily be moved. He's older, has less chemistry, is more expensive, and for all his experience, has never led a team out of the first round of the playoffs. Nico is young, still has oodles of potential (which I do recognize the Blazers may not be able to fullly tap), far cheaper at this point, and LOVES this team and the guys on it. Neither one of them has a guy sitting there ready to step into thier shoes, so either trade would be a loss. I know YOU are not advocating a trade, just wondering why, in light of what I said above, you think Batum might be targeted over anyone else. Or did I misinterpret what you were saying?? I have to agree with you though, I think a Batum trade would turn Cho into enemy #1 for most Blazer fans :)

    We don't need CP3. I would love to have him, but would not want to give up integral pieces to get him. And really...if we have 2 capable centers, and LMA keeps working on his game, and BRoy finds his shot again...we don't need CP3. I for one, disagree with Cho's assessment that we are still a piece or two away. I think our missing piece was Wesley Matthews and injured centers. Since we will have both of those things, we just need a season or two of playing together and truly becoming a full-fledged team, and we are there :)

    by EowynAmarie on 10/25/2010 8:44 AM
  71. hg, I think we'd only get Chris Paul if he was a free agent or if he DEMANDED to be traded to Portland or he'd just sign the next season. Doubt that'd happen, but you never know. But I definitely would not give up any of our starters for Chris Paul, unless it was Miller.

    On a side note, am I dreaming or is it true the Blazer season starts tomorrow? Oh am I excited.

    Mike, time for a prediction blog!

    by Herr on 10/25/2010 10:52 AM
  72. Patty makes the team.right on for him.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/25/2010 12:08 PM
  73. 24 hours till the long winded Vinnie posts you have all been missing so much.Poor Ancientone will have to keep the fride stocked.BTW I AM MORE THAN PSYCHED.


    by DowntownVinnie on 10/25/2010 12:11 PM
  74. Nice piece on LB and The Armonizer.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/25/2010 12:14 PM
  75. Eowyn Amarie:

    MB has said countless of times anytime there is a big trade to be made the first player the other team wants is Batum, not much of a demand for Dre.

    A poster a while back on BE said that Dre was a casualty super star, when I aske what he meant by that he said he only comes alive and act as a Star when the star of the injury gets injured, then he gave a list of the teams and stars he played with that got injurer. I started thinking of last year and that is when he became a hero to the Blazers fans. The more players that got hurt the better he played. I guess that doesn't have any thing to do with trade bait, but that may be why he hasn't got out of the first round. When the play-offs began all the stars were back and he quit playing.

    by Hg on 10/25/2010 12:22 PM
  76. Herr:

    If you get the chance watch or listen to courtside tonight, one of the features is everybody on the set is making their predictions. The Widl One has already predicted 47 I think.

    by Hg on 10/25/2010 12:25 PM
  77. GREG played 5-on-5 today!! NICE, very nice, very encouraging :)

    Patty made it, good for him (I don't see how he fits, but we gotta have 15 right?)

    Hg: yeah, that's true about Nico, but what I gathered from 500 was that he thinks Cho will make another move and it will be Nic that goes. Previously, the Nico talk shut discussions down, true, and yes, Cho may not be as enamored with him. Regardless of Dre's desirability, I was just saying that I can't see the advantage to trading Nic, but keeping Dre. I was wondering what made him think it would be Nico who might be gone next, if he had a specific thing that made him think that. I can see Cho letting Nico go, but imo, it would only be worthwhile if we got something really, really valuable in return, whereas we could let Andre go for much less and still be okay (especially if we are using Brandon, Rudy, Wesley, and Armon to shore up the PG spot, as Nate indicated in his interview yesterday). Trust me, there are teams out there that would love to have Dre's experience and facilitating skills.

    by EowynAmarie on 10/25/2010 12:36 PM
  78. Ewowyn Amarie: I agree with you completely, I was just pointing out that the other team may not want Dre. If we wanted a player bad enough the trading partner may hold out in hopes to get Nic. In my book it would be almost impossible to replace Nic.

    by Hg on 10/25/2010 12:43 PM
  79. They officially waived Penderbender today. i'll misss his pregame rituals and on Courtside

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/25/2010 12:54 PM
  80. i swear i'm going to be old and gray and people are still going to be talking about bringing Chris Paul to portland (well, not exactly ... i plan to color my hair like there's no tomorrow -- but you get the idea).

    i wonder if the talk of trading Nicolas is just something thrown out there as it seemed to be during the summer, or something seriously being considered. i know that Cho thinks moves need to be made, but i don't think this is the time to be trading any of our front-line players. i also feel Nicolas is invaluable to this team and i would hate to see us make a move that would void us of his talents going forward.

    congratulations to Patty! i've been following his tweets and i can tell he's been nervous. i also saw his comments in the video regarding Jerryd's trade and he said he was tense. i'm am glad to see he made the roster. he seems like a good bloke.

    Herr: you're dreaming; it's still september; haven't you heard -- it's daylight savings month! seriously, yes, i'm excited too!

    Eowyn Amarie: i've never understood why so many blazers fans seem to be so down on Andre. your last point made me wonder ... how many posters on other teams' blogs might be saying their team needs an experienced and sturdy pg like Andre Miller?

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/25/2010 1:03 PM
  81. Hg,

    I call BS on the "casualty super star" tag on Miller. When did we have all our stars back? He didn't just play well when Roy was out, is that what you are saying? There are a lot of people that don't like Miller and reach to whatever they can think to put him down. I'm surprise some people don't appreciate his game, but am glad the Blazers do.

    Also Miller is a expiring contract which makes him desirable in some trades.

    by mgb on 10/25/2010 1:38 PM
  82. Whoa there! My naming Nico was only a worst-case-scenario thing. Cho would have to be a madman to let him slip through his fingers. I raised the point after reading a fanpost on Blazers Edge by a poor Bayless fan, who was devastated after her favorite player was traded for a draft pick.

    No, I think plenty of players are more tradeworthy than Batum. Rudy, Babbitt, Elliot, Patty and Andre are all long gone before the ink dries on a Batum trade. I think the move that Cho has been referring to is going to be that mythical PGOTF. I think he's right. Unless the Armonster eats the league alive, the PG remains our weakest position. I dig Andre, but his weaknesses and age take him out of the running.

    by 500Dogs on 10/25/2010 5:55 PM
  83. hey MB; hilarious prediction edition of courtside. i'm glad i was one of the "tens of listeners!"

    all right, since you guys did this, i'm going to as well. here are the predictions of this humble girl for the upcoming season. note that the teams' win totals are in parentheses, and that this is assuming Antony is traded.

    eastern conference: heat (61), magic (55), celtics (51), bucks (49), hawks (45), bulls (45), bobcats (42), pacers (41).

    western conference: lakers (56), blazers (55), mavericks (53), jazz (49), thunder (48), spurs (48), rockets (44), clippers (42).

    east finals: heat over magic.
    west finals: lakers over blazers

    * rookie of the year: Blake Griffin (leads clips to the playoffs).
    *coach of the year: Scott Skiles (melds bucks to 4th seed & first round series win.
    * biggest surprise: bucks.
    * biggest disappointment: nuggets.
    * name most mentioned in trade rumors: Chris Paul (Anthony's rumors will involve knicks and nets; Paul's will involve nearly everyone).

    nba champ: heat over lakers (celtics did it first year with the big three; heat will too).

    finally, great question from Vinnie. i thought of that after you guys mentioned it in the first hour.

    ~ Kassandra

    by Kassandra on 10/25/2010 7:11 PM
  84. 500: thank goodness! I was really worried that you had heard something specific or something :)

    I posted my predictions on FV earlier, so wont' do it again. Suffice to say I see Wall as ROY, Dwight as both MVP and DPOY, Sloan as COY, and the Lakers beating Boston in the Finals. I will mention that I think Orlando is going to rule the East, right up to the EC semi-finals :) Personally, I don't think Miami will be doing nearly as much as everyone expects.

    by EowynAmarie on 10/25/2010 8:38 PM
  85. Watchin First Take on ESPN.Chris Broussard gives #Blazers big props to challenge Lakers.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/26/2010 7:09 AM
  86. Yeah,MB what was up with that prediction?
    OKC,Cmon,I thought you were our favorite homer.

    by DowntownVinnie on 10/26/2010 7:11 AM
  87. Vinnie:

    There is a new blog out get your rear over to it so I don't have to jump back and forth.

    by Hg on 10/26/2010 7:19 AM
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